BK stays at ND

[Whiskeyjack]

Was Weis interviewing when he hit the ND lottery? I can't recall.

There were rumors of interest from the NFL, but no interviews AFAIK.

The point is, is that its not a destination job because you either burn out early, can't sustain a long career or you get fired after a few years. In this day and age that doesn't rank high on a lot coaches lists. The right man for this job will be rewarded in spades.

That's simply the reality of coaching CFB these days. All those factors are even worse in the NFL. CFB at least has a few jobs where if you can sustain a reasonable level of success, you can stay as long as you choose. The NFL doesn't have that.

 

[Emcee77]

man, c'mon, I've had a rough night, and I hate the f@!#king Eagles!!!

 

[ND NYC]

i take solace knowing it wasnt a rick reilly tweet that broke all this news

although he would have made sure we all knew it was him if he did! tool

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

There were rumors of interest from the NFL, but no interviews AFAIK.



That's simply the reality of coaching CFB these days. All those factors are even worse in the NFL. CFB at least has a few jobs where if you can sustain a reasonable level of success, you can stay as long as you choose. The NFL doesn't have that.

That's why, IMO, it is a lateral move. I think a coach should discount an NFL salary with the probability of having only 3 seasons in the NFL, and compare it with what we could offer him this year. The result may be the same. Tie that in with dealing with 18-22 year olds, RATHER THAN a bunch of divas on the Eagles, and I think it is easily lateral.

 

[domerfreak]

Shoutout to Irish Insanity for increasing my vBuck total 123,304 fold with a 100m donation!

well hell i could use some vbucks donations...as to the topic really dont know what to think about this, but like it or not it is a business. If the change does come i just hope that the next hire will not be a knee jerk decision.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

First of all... anyone here (and there are a lot of you) saying "you don't need to do this for leverage" really do not understand negotiation. Jack Swarbick/ND/anyone anywhere in any business doesn't pay someone more than they have to. EVER. No one just cuts a big *** check with a bunch of guaranteed years for the hell of it.

The truth is BK is currently SERIOUSLY underpaid and this is the best time he might ever have to renegotiate his contract. His agent (and anyone near him with half a brain) is telling him to interview everywhere possible and get as many people chomping at the bit as he can. THAT IS HOW YOU GET LEVERAGE IN A BUSINESS SITUATION. He makes well below the average NFL head coaching salary right now... probably something like 35-50% below the average. And less than half of what top paid coaches (including the likes of Pete Carroll) make.

If you put yourself in his shoes there is no way you turn downs MILLIONS just because it might look bad for a couple days while you're on vacation. If the Eagles want to offer him $5mil/year then he can come back to the table and say "look, this is my current offer. What can you do to beat it?" Otherwise? He just sits there and counts on Jack's good graces to give him a "fair" raise. And what if Jack doesn't want to meet it and says "sorry, we can only pay you $3 mil"... then Kelly very might take that 80% pay increase and move on. Would you turn down millions of dollars? I wouldn't.

Just look at what Les Miles did with Arkansas this past offseason. He made hundreds of thousands of dollars more this year and got a contract extension because he decided to flirt with Arkansas. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IF HE DOESN'T ENTERTAIN THEIR OFFER.

Wake up and smell the roses. This is a big time business. The ball is squarely in Swarbick's and Jenkins' and whoever the heck else has cutting the check approval's court right now. There is absolutely 100% an amount of money that will keep him in South Bend no matter who comes calling and it's just up to them to pay him. At the same time. they don't want to get Charlied.

And such goes negotiations. If this sh*t was simple, we would never have sports lockouts.

I don't think anyone is begrudging BK for doing it.... I think it has more to do with the timing of it with kids showing up in 3 days and he's the supposed head of the program. Certainly, any one of us would explore possibilities to better ourselves, but the better majority of us aren't making promises to 17-18 year olds and their parents that they are the face of the organization and that they'll be taken care of.

That said, BK slinking around behind the scenes to get a pay raise wasn't the best approach either.... lol

 

[ulukinatme]

That's my feeling as well. ND is a destination job. If you can succeed here, you're set until you decide to walk away.

There are no destination jobs in the NFL. Kelly would really be a fool to leave what he's got here. But his history does indicate he's a climber. If in his mind, the NFL is the final peak that demands scaling, then his eventual departure may be inevitable.

Kelly may be a climber, but theres only a few mountains I would consider to be taller than ND as far as coaching. I don't think Philly is one of those. I just don't think Kelly would fit the mold of an NFL coach either. In any case, I guess if Kelly did see the NFL as the next evolution for him he could end up going eventually, but no other ND coach has ever seen the job that way so I'm going all in that he stays till he's ousted or retires/gets tired.

 

[ARALOU]

Eagle fans are hungry. They are nasty. They pelted Santa with snow balls for pete's sake. Think Irish fans are finicky? I know them both. Trust me. He should know hot seats though. Both are hot.

 

[NDPhilly]

Eagle fans are hungry. They are nasty. They pelted Santa with snow balls for pete's sake. Think Irish fans are finicky? I know them both. Trust me. He should know hot seats though. Both are hot.

Aw Come on are we really that bad?

 

[IrishLax]

The point is, is that its not a destination job because you either burn out early, can't sustain a long career or you get fired after a few years. In this day and age that doesn't rank high on a lot coaches lists. The right man for this job will be rewarded in spades.

That's not the definition of a destination job that anyone else uses. Destination job = top of the ladder = no risk of getting poached by another school in your level of play. Nevada had the same coach for a long time... that does not make it a destination job. A singular coach deciding they want to make a job their home and the fanbase being complacent with them is pretty darn irrelevant.

Is Iowa a destination job because they have Ferentz under a big long term deal and he's been there 10+ years?

 

[overeazy]

What ND Coach

What ND Coach

I can not remember a ND coach that ever left ND for another job. I thought ND finally found the right guy to lead their program for years and now this. The team is still suffering the letdown from the loss and now to have to endure these rumors has to be really tough on them. And I don't understand why he is reported to be out of the country right now. You would have thought that since they had just played he would have been back at ND getting his team settled back into school and wrapping things up. To me him not being around ND right now talks a lot about what he is planning to do. Leave.

 

[ARALOU]

Aw Come on are we really that bad?

Well we can be. We need a @#$*ing qb not a college coach. (In my best wise guy voice). I had rathet have BK at ND and an experienced NFL coach at Philly.

 

[IrishLax]

I don't think anyone is begrudging BK for doing it.... I think it has more to do with the timing of it with kids showing up in 3 days and he's the supposed head of the program. Certainly, any one of us would explore possibilities to better ourselves, but the better majority of us aren't making promises to 17-18 year olds and their parents that they are the face of the organization and that they'll be taken care of.

That said, BK slinking around behind the scenes to get a pay raise wasn't the best approach either.... lol

So then people are begrudging him. If not now, when is he going to do it? When all the HC jobs are filled? Right before NSD? There is no good time. The situation is what it is.

There was plenty of "this isn't necessary!" talk in the first couple pages. And that's flat out not true... it's totally necessary whether he wants to move on or not.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Aw Come on are we really that bad?

As the only Eagles fan I know, be advised that I will hold you personally responsible if Kelly takes this job.

 

[notredomer23]

so I go out for a bit and this is what I miss? Charlie Strong to ND eh?

 

[jimmymac]

well hell i could use some vbucks donations...as to the topic really dont know what to think about this, but like it or not it is a business. If the change does come i just hope that the next hire will not be a knee jerk decision.

Nice avatar pic.... Wish you would have kept me in it haha

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

So then people are begrudging him. If not now, when is he going to do it? When all the HC jobs are filled? Right before NSD? There is no good time. The situation is what it is.

There was plenty of "this isn't necessary!" talk in the first couple pages. And that's flat out not true... it's totally necessary whether he wants to move on or not.

Then let him go.....

and let him tell it straight to the recruits instead of leaving them in limbo. They deserve that much, right?

Truth be told, I don't give a damn about who is coaching so long as that man can recruit nationally, he loves Notre Dame and he doesn't slink behind the kids backs that trust him.

End of story.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

A lot of posters in this thread are going to feel really stupid when Kelly signs his extension in a couple days.

 

[BobD]

First the game now this. My head hurts.

 

[RallySonsOfND]

As the only Eagles fan I know, be advised that I will hold you personally responsible if Kelly takes this job.

Gonna be neg-rep city up in this b!tch!

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

A lot of posters in this thread are going to feel really stupid when Kelly signs his extension in a couple days.

Nah I won't. Sources initially said "there was mutual interest." Call me naive for believing it, but I did and do.

I just needed a better perspective on how the process works. In thinking about the timing, there really was no other way to do it. And maybe Jack lowballed him. Who knows.

I don't feel dumb for overreacting. Heck, it could also be considered just an average, reasonable "reaction." We have the #1 recruiting class. Recruiting is sensitive, and something like this could still have an effect.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

A lot of posters in this thread are going to feel really stupid when Kelly signs his extension in a couple days.

I'm not suggesting that I don't want Brian Kelly. Just playing Devil's advocate with people. Everyone thinks everything is peaches and creme... What if it isn't? This place will f-ing erupt.

This is a message board afterall........

 

[aubeirish]

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A lot of posters in this thread are going to feel really stupid when Kelly signs his extension in a couple days.

I endorse this message.

 

[Rhode Irish]

https://twitter.com/sipetethamel/status/289198322416250881

I don't know why that isn't turning into a picture of a tweet. Anyone wanna help on that?

 

[ARALOU]

Hey a santa snowball tweet! I promise its not me.

 

[domerfreak]

Nice avatar pic.... Wish you would have kept me in it haha

yeah had to crop out an individual holding the sign...just did a google image search a found it. Had no idea it came from a member of IE so thanks for the photo though.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

I am going to bed, wake me up if BK likes Cheese Wiz on his cheese steak

 

[IrishinTN]

I'm not suggesting that I don't want Brian Kelly. Just playing Devil's advocate with people. Everyone thinks everything is peaches and creme... What if it isn't? This place will f-ing erupt.

This is a message board afterall........

hey, you suggested in this thread that my balls were the size of grapefruits. Well you are WRONG my friend. That is my prostate, so the joke is on you. Oh crap. Wait a minute...

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Nah I won't. Sources initially said "there was mutual interest." Call me naive for believing it, but I did and do.

I just needed a better perspective on how the process works. In thinking about the timing, there really was no other way to do it. And maybe Jack lowballed him. Who knows.

I don't feel dumb for overreacting. Heck, it could also be considered just an average, reasonable "reaction." We have the #1 recruiting class. Recruiting is sensitive, and something like this could still have an effect.

I'm not suggesting that I don't want Brian Kelly. Just playing Devil's advocate with people. Everyone thinks everything is peaches and creme... What if it isn't? This place will f-ing erupt.

This is a message board afterall........

That wasn't directed at anyone in particular. To be honest, I came to this late, so I haven't read through most of the thread. I have seen a few posts expressing moral indignation that Kelly could "betray" ND like this, but that's simply naive. This is how the negotiation process works for top CFB coaches.

Fortunately for us, ND is one of the few destination jobs out there, and Swarbrick (thus far) has been an amazingly effective AD. Unless something very strange happens, I'm confident that this will result in Kelly receiving a well-deserved extension and raise, and nothing more will come of it.

In light of what he's accomplished, he's criminally underpaid. Given what happened with his predecessor, ND isn't in a hurry to give Kelly a 10-year extension. This is what he had to do to get some long-term security in his contract. He's earned it.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

hey, you suggested in this thread that my balls were the size of grapefruits. Well you are WRONG my friend. That is my prostate, so the joke is on you. Oh crap. Wait a minute...

Good God.... lmao