'13 CA S Max Redfield (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[Bogtrotter07]

I have a hypothesis. The whole thing with SC is prompted by his desire not to leave his little brother. Trying to explore every option . . .

But, it keeps coming back to ND is where his heart is; he then, truly is a man for others.

 

[jason_h537]

Dare I say RKG?

 

[Riddickulous]

That term is deeeeeeeead

 

[NDPhilly]

RKG is so class of '11

 

[Domina Nostra]

He's a tough gentleman.

 

[West Coast Domer]

He is so right when he said orange county is a bubble...Bigger and better thing out in this world. I think he would be the first kid to not go to USC from Mission viejo in quite some time.... He will be successful wherever he goes

 

[rikkitikki08]

RKG is so class of '11

But this kids picture is next to RKG in the dictionary.......

 

[NDinFL]

We wouldn't want someone coming here and doing that, so why do it to them. Let it be.

Because they're ****ing USC fans.

Duh.

 

[KPENN]

SIAP but Max told Sapp that Cooks and Denbrock saw him Monday.

Also Mcquay is visiting USC this weekend. Take that how you will.

 

[yankeeND]

SIAP but Max told Sapp that Cooks and Denbrock saw him Monday.

Also Mcquay is visiting USC this weekend. Take that how you will.

I just think it's another good sign for us. Great article yesterday and now Mcquay is cooling on Vanderbilt and visiting Usc this weekend. I'm liking where we stand.

 

[rtrn2glory]

not sure how accurate it is, but mcquay's visit this weekend to usc is his last visit according to his scout profile page. idk when he's planning on deciding, but could be soon.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I just think it's another good sign for us. Great article yesterday and now Mcquay is cooling on Vanderbilt and visiting Usc this weekend. I'm liking where we stand.

This is what happens to over-confident coaches(Franklin, Mullen, etc.)! They have a taste of success at 2nd or 3rd tier school and think that things are going to be different. They sign a few 4 star kids and get so close to getting some of these elite kids, but...surprise, surprise...most go to USC, Alabama, FLorida, etc... Their good classes were never quite enough to get them over the hump. Eventually reality sets back in and they realize Vanderbilty is Vanderbilt not just for lack of a man of your amazing, unique talents, but for lots and lots of historical and institutional reasons.* And once the big boys realize you are playing for real and start taking you seriously, life gets much harder real fast.

It took Saban 5 years to get MSU, a school with a comittment to winning, to 9-2. Its taken Spurrier close to a decade to get South Carolina to the top-tier of the SEC East. But Lou Holtz was not going to make Minnesota a world beater. As Bear Bryant said when he was at Kentucky: its a one sport school and that sport is not football.* Vanderbilt is about launching the nation's preppiest kids into high-paying jobs, not playing football. Until that changes, Vanderbilt will remain ecstatic with an 8 win season even if all of their wins coming over teams with losing records.

Notre Dame was a sleeping giant. Stanford has some real potential because of their location and unique academic reputation. But Vanderbilt... its just not going to happen. They are not going to pass South Carolina, much less Georgia and Florida, any time soon. Even Tennessee is destined to surpass them shortly.

*(Obviously, an elite coach's ability to bing a mid-major team to 10 or 11 wins is differnt than his ability to take a third-tier team in a major conference to that number.)

 

[Bogtrotter07]

This is what happens to over-confident coaches(Franklin, Mullen, etc.)! They have a taste of success at 2nd or 3rd tier school and think that things are going to be different. They sign a few 4 star kids and get so close to getting some of these elite kids, but...surprise, surprise...most go to USC, Alabama, FLorida, etc... Their good classes were never quite enough to get them over the hump. Eventually reality sets back in and they realize Vanderbilty is Vanderbilt not just for lack of a man of your amazing, unique talents, but for lots and lots of historical and institutional reasons. Saban was not 12-0 at MSU.* Lou Holtz was not 10-2 at Minnesota. As Bear Bryant said when he was at Kentucky: its a one sport school and that sport is not football. Vanderbilt is about launching the nation's preppiest kids into high-paying jobs, not playing football.

(Obviously, an elite coach's ability to bing a mid-major team to 10 or 11 wins is differnt than his ability to take a third-tier team in a major conference to that number.)

Curious, I am. Honestly, how do you fit the Kelly story into that with ND being an independent. Does that make it easier to "bring back" ND? If so why did the 'elite' (my word not yours) coaches stay away in droves, each time the job was available?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I had an upsetting thought in the shower this morning. USC went 7-5 this season, which, in the Pac-12, is about as bad as they're ever likely to do. That poor season was compounded by massive disappointment, as they were expected to compete for a title this year. Kiffin is a national laughingstock, and his seat is among the warmest in CFB. They don't have a DC currently, and their coaching staff is unstable.

In short, if one of USC's perennial top recruiting classes was ever going to fall apart, it should be this one. But who have they lost? It looks like they're going to lose Redfield to us, but they've got another 5 S ready to step in right behind him.

Dislike.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I had an upsetting thought in the shower this morning. USC went 7-5 this season, which, in the Pac-12, is about as bad as they're ever likely to do. That poor season was compounded by massive disappointment, as they were expected to compete for a title this year. Kiffin is a national laughingstock, and his seat is among the warmest in CFB. They don't have a DC currently, and their coaching staff is unstable.

In short, if one of USC's perennial top recruiting classes was ever going to fall apart, it should be this one. But who have they lost? It looks like they're going to lose Redfield to us, but they've got another 5 S ready to step in right behind him.

Dislike.

While it's certainly disappointing, I'm choosing not be concerned with it. Until Kiffin and his staff prove they can develop all of this talent, they'll be the equal comparison to Charlie Weis in my eyes. He and Polian were very good offensive (and some defensive) recruiters. But lack of development lead to average seasons year after year.

 

[BeauBenken]

I had an upsetting thought in the shower this morning. USC went 7-5 this season, which, in the Pac-12, is about as bad as they're ever likely to do. That poor season was compounded by massive disappointment, as they were expected to compete for a title this year. Kiffin is a national laughingstock, and his seat is among the warmest in CFB. They don't have a DC currently, and their coaching staff is unstable.

In short, if one of USC's perennial top recruiting classes was ever going to fall apart, it should be this one. But who have they lost? It looks like they're going to lose Redfield to us, but they've got another 5 S ready to step in right behind him.

Dislike.

Just have to beat them to a bloody pulp year after year before we get some results.

 

[Emcee77]

While it's certainly disappointing, I'm choosing not be concerned with it. Until Kiffin and his staff prove they can develop all of this talent, they'll be the equal comparison to Charlie Weis in my eyes. He and Polian were very good offensive (and some defensive) recruiters. But lack of development lead to average seasons year after year.

Right, good comparison. Our 2007 season was TERRIBLE, and our 2008 recruiting class was excellent, wasn't it? After the great season last year, USC's recruits will look at this year as an outlier. It will take a couple years of mediocrity before they realize what a fraud Kiffykins is.

 

[aubeirish]

I had an upsetting thought in the shower this morning. USC went 7-5 this season, which, in the Pac-12, is about as bad as they're ever likely to do. That poor season was compounded by massive disappointment, as they were expected to compete for a title this year. Kiffin is a national laughingstock, and his seat is among the warmest in CFB. They don't have a DC currently, and their coaching staff is unstable.

In short, if one of USC's perennial top recruiting classes was ever going to fall apart, it should be this one. But who have they lost? It looks like they're going to lose Redfield to us, but they've got another 5 S ready to step in right behind him.

Dislike.

The problem is that most of these kids have been growing up while USC was at the top, and dreaming of playing for SC. They need to start sucking on a yearly basis, or we need to beat them every year like Beau said.

For us, we are starting to get that culture back. This season has to be the cornerstone of something really special for the future. The power of the ND degree and the renewed mystic of the football program will be a great draw for recruits. I am not worried.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Takes two or three years. Non-obsessive fans don't conclude that the sky is falling after one sub-par year. Our best recent class survived our worst year.

 

[Irish YJ]

Some kids are die hard USC fans, just like some are ND. I don't see anything wrong with growing up loving a team. Some kids however are attracted to the glitz and edge. The first only dies out after several years of sucking. The second is not likely to ever die. USC will always have glitz, just like we will always have tradition and acamdemics. If a kid truly priortizes glitz/glam/edge over academics/tradition, he isn't coming to ND anyway 99% of the time. I'll take the kid that prioritizes an education, tradition, and winning every time.

 

[chicago51]

I meant to post this in this thread.

Sorry for this rant in advance.

Why recruits buy into Kiffin and especially Ed Orgeron I'll never know.

With Kiffin you have guy who has been unsuccessful at every stop he has been at. From the Raiders to USC (I actually thought his one at Tennessee was his best coaching job but nothing special).

And Ed Orgeron? He has been a great recruiter everywhere he has gone. Why? I have no idea. This the guy that could barely win a game when he was the head coach at Ole Miss.

Love how these guys made all kinds of promises to recruits at Tennessee and then dumped them after one year. Worst off they where telling stud recruits they recruited not to early enroll and to come to USC immediately after they left. If it was me and I left I wouldn't have gone after any of the commits to Tennessee, certainly wouldn't have told them to leave and not early enroll. Low class.

This is what I think of them

 

[Rhode Irish]

Right, good comparison. Our 2007 season was TERRIBLE, and our 2008 recruiting class was excellent, wasn't it? After the great season last year, USC's recruits will look at this year as an outlier. It will take a couple years of mediocrity before they realize what a fraud Kiffykins is.

This is the key.

 

[NDdomer2]

I had an upsetting thought in the shower this morning. USC went 7-5 this season, which, in the Pac-12, is about as bad as they're ever likely to do. That poor season was compounded by massive disappointment, as they were expected to compete for a title this year. Kiffin is a national laughingstock, and his seat is among the warmest in CFB. They don't have a DC currently, and their coaching staff is unstable.

In short, if one of USC's perennial top recruiting classes was ever going to fall apart, it should be this one. But who have they lost? It looks like they're going to lose Redfield to us, but they've got another 5 S ready to step in right behind him.

Dislike.

Does that happen every morning?

 

[chicago51]

Ed Orgeron is a tool.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Does that happen every morning?

No, thank God. That's part of the reason it was upsetting.

 

[GoIrish399]

Once a USC verbal commit, 2013 S Max Redfield says he's ready to make a final decision, @InnaLazarev reports, recruiting.scout.com/2/1249383.html

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I had an upsetting thought in the shower this morning. USC went 7-5 this season, which, in the Pac-12, is about as bad as they're ever likely to do. That poor season was compounded by massive disappointment, as they were expected to compete for a title this year. Kiffin is a national laughingstock, and his seat is among the warmest in CFB. They don't have a DC currently, and their coaching staff is unstable.

In short, if one of USC's perennial top recruiting classes was ever going to fall apart, it should be this one. But who have they lost? It looks like they're going to lose Redfield to us, but they've got another 5 S ready to step in right behind him.

Dislike.

So this was your upsetting thought?

Man when you said that about upsetting thought and the shower, I was tensed up for something really bad! (like testicular cancer)

Here is the thing about SC, they did so well for so long and there is so much money there insuring their success, they will continue get a bump from the recent past. Also, I have a new hypothesis: superficial people are attracted to superficial organizations. There are more superficial people than deep or spiritual people. They get the four year or less decision guys, we get the forty year decision guys.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

USC had a monopoly on the west coast for the last decade (no crappy billboard), and with Oregon, UCLA, and Stanford on the rise, expect that to change. I say this as USC is filling out a number one class. Fml......

 

[NDdomer2]

Once a USC verbal commit, 2013 S Max Redfield says he's ready to make a final decision, @InnaLazarev reports, recruiting.scout.com/2/1249383.html

And.....

 

[GoIrish399]

And.....

Not sure what it says (don't have a Scout subscription) just saw it on twitter and thought to post it here