BCS Rankings: 2012

[ickythump1225]

I was going to stay far away from this thread after I saw the reaction to yesterdays BCS rankings, but I thought you guys might want to have a discussion about this with someone with a different perspective.

So I can point out a few things you guys are not seeing good and bad or you can say shut up ALLGATOR and I will go back to lurking this thread and letting you guys rant.

This is am internet forum...why don't you just post what you want? I mean I don't speak for anybody but myself but I don't really care what you post as long as you do it in a respectful manner. This is the internet you can state your opinion. If other people don't want you to post and you respect their wishes then that's on you.

 

[irishog77]

Next Saturday-- begin cheering for the ACC like Mofo's:

Georgia Tech over Georgia
Clemson over South Carolina
Florida State over Florida

If all 3 of those happened (I think 2 definitely could)....it would be GLORIOUS!!!!

 

[IrishEyesAreSmiling]

Next Saturday-- begin cheering for the ACC like Mofo's:

Georgia Tech over Georgia
Clemson over South Carolina
Florida State over Florida

If all 3 of those happened (I think 2 definitely could)....it would be GLORIOUS!!!!

2 for sure. g-tech idk..

 

[RallySonsOfND]

2 for sure. g-tech idk..

Yeah, I can see Clemson and FSU winning, just not Tech. Even if it is a rivalry game...


Root for Auburn too!


Go Tigers (x2) and 'Noles!

 

[Redbar]

Wish I could rep this guy drjellyfinger, he said, over on cbssportsline, in the comments to the current BCS standings:

"I thought last weeks article questioning if Alabama could beat a bad NFL team was the pinnacle of absurdity, but now I see how the BCS formula worked out this week and we have reached new, scarier heights. Scary because it's not just some bloated, water boy media type posing a ridiculous question. The BCS is essentially saying that no team (except the unbeaten) would finish higher than 7th in the SEC! I don't care who you support, that is not reality. I have watched plenty of SEC games this year to know that wildly inconsistent offense alone should rule out several of the SEC teams front loaded in the rankings. Talk about exposing major credibility issues within the BCS formula. All I need to know is if the same idiot who posed the Alabama vs NFL question has a vote? If it looks like a fish, swims like a fish and smells fishy, it usually is! "

and then:

"Put another way, (after taking a look at the SEC standings) the BCS rankings indicate no team would fair better than where Vanderbilt is currently ranked in conference. Uh, sure."

Well said sir.

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

Wish I could rep this guy drjellyfinger, he said, over on cbssportsline, in the comments to the current BCS standings:

"I thought last weeks article questioning if Alabama could beat a bad NFL team was the pinnacle of absurdity, but now I see how the BCS formula worked out this week and we have reached new, scarier heights. Scary because it's not just some bloated, water boy media type posing a ridiculous question. The BCS is essentially saying that no team (except the unbeaten) would finish higher than 7th in the SEC! I don't care who you support, that is not reality. I have watched plenty of SEC games this year to know that wildly inconsistent offense alone should rule out several of the SEC teams front loaded in the rankings. Talk about exposing major credibility issues within the BCS formula. All I need to know is if the same idiot who posed the Alabama vs NFL question has a vote? If it looks like a fish, swims like a fish and smells fishy, it usually is! "

and then:

"Put another way, (after taking a look at the SEC standings) the BCS rankings indicate no team would fair better than where Vanderbilt is currently ranked in conference. Uh, sure."

Well said sir.

I agree, although I think the SEC can make an excellent case they are the best conference. C'mon to have the 4,5,6,7,8,9, spot.

#7 LSU has lost to #4 Alabama and #6 Florida
#9 South Carolina lost to #7 LSU and #6 Florida
#8 Texas A&M lost to #7 LSU and #6 Florida

Some will say the SEC beats itself up, and while that is true I personally think that a one loss #10 FSU or a one loss #11 Clemson could beat these teams.

Now imho I think #12 Oklahoma has lost only to #1 Kansas State and #3 Notre Dame has a right to be pissed off for being jumped by A&M.

What is going on has more to do with the SEC still being viable as a NC contender. Notre Dame needs to win out and hope either KSU or Oregon lose. While Alabama and Georgia need to win out and have 2 of the 3 KSU, Oregon, Notre Dame lose. Which is quite possible as each are playing teams that can beat them. I am sure they are hoping Oregon & Notre Dame get picked off.

 

[tadman95]

Mike & Mike doing some serious repping for Notre Dame this morning. Really pounding our SOS against Oregon and Kansas State and the strength of opponent's defenses so far.

ie. Oregon has played "0" top 20 defenses, Notre Dame "5"

 

[Irish#1]

Remember that ESPN has a $2 billion + investment in the SEC, but they get very little of the money ND rakes in. So they have every incentive to politik us out of the MNC.

It's no accident that every talking head on the network suddenly seems to be spewing poorly reasoned anti-ND agitprop. They've simply been told to look out for their employer's best interests.

Not quite entirely true. Mike & Mike both have been championing ND's cause for a couple of weeks now. Greenburg has really been talking up the Irish on an almost daily basis. I thought Golic's statements during the BC game had to help some for those who vote in the polls and were watching the game.

It's not so much other fans who need to be educated with the facts (it certainly doesn't hurt), but those in the media and those who vote. If you want to do something to help sway the polls, then I would suggest you send the article to sportscasters and writers. That would help much more than the typical "bias" ND fan trying to explain why they should be in the NCG if they win out. A local sports talk show in Indy was discussing this very subject and how good the SEC was. I sent them the article and on their next segment they had a change of attitude.

I also think Kelly voting us #1 helps. He stayed away from that until just the right time.

A good Bama team beating a bad NFL team is absurd. I can remember when they would take the college All Americans and have them play an NFL team in Soldier field. The NFL team won all but one game.

 

[peoriairish]

I agree, although I think the SEC can make an excellent case they are the best conference. C'mon to have the 4,5,6,7,8,9, spot.

#7 LSU has lost to #4 Alabama and #6 Florida
#9 South Carolina lost to #7 LSU and #6 Florida
#8 Texas A&M lost to #7 LSU and #6 Florida

Some will say the SEC beats itself up, and while that is true I personally think that a one loss #10 FSU or a one loss #11 Clemson could beat these teams.

Now imho I think #12 Oklahoma has lost only to #1 Kansas State and #3 Notre Dame has a right to be pissed off for being jumped by A&M.

What is going on has more to do with the SEC still being viable as a NC contender. Notre Dame needs to win out and hope either KSU or Oregon lose. While Alabama and Georgia need to win out and have 2 of the 3 KSU, Oregon, Notre Dame lose. Which is quite possible as each are playing teams that can beat them. I am sure they are hoping Oregon & Notre Dame get picked off.

Someone's brainwashed.

You talk yourself out of your point in the second sentence. There is no way, unless the chips are stacked in their corner on purpose, that any conference should have the #4-9 spots in the BCS. That should be impossible.

 

[Fbolt]

Florida State Seminoles' Jimbo Fisher wants move back to pre-BCS system - ESPN

to be fair, he did use the word retarded in his PC.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I'm interested in someone, anyone, coming up with a case backing Oregon and KSU in the NC game (assuming the top 3 win out). I have yet to read anything that uses statistical facts to support their view on why the top 2 are currently sitting at the top 2. The lone argument that seems to keep coming up is the preseason polls. Those polls are based on last year's records and speculation of how this year will pan out. They are almost always wrong. Therefore, this far into the season, any preseason accolades need to be removed from consideration. I'm all ears to someone who can present an un-biased case for Oregon and KSU.

 

[dublinirish]

it boggles the mind too how KSU gets so much love, if it was Texas or Oklahoma on the same run i would understand but seriously K-State???

 

[BleedBlueGold]

it boggles the mind too how KSU gets so much love, if it was Texas or Oklahoma on the same run i would understand but seriously K-State???

There's nothing wrong with the respect KSU is getting. They're on an impressive run. The computer rankings have them at #1 or #2 w/ ND. The problem is with the human voters keeping KSU at that #1 position, but dropping ND for no reason. If KSU was #1 and ND was #2, you'd hear a lot less complaining from the masses. There is obviously still a case for ND to be ahead of KSU, but it's not a huge issue since both teams would end up in the NC game. The obviously issue is that the human voters are keeping ND from the NC game out of pure ignorance and hatred.

 

[IrishLax]

it boggles the mind too how KSU gets so much love, if it was Texas or Oklahoma on the same run i would understand but seriously K-State???

Seriously... KSU is so overrated right now it is sickening. I understand Oregon getting the votes even if their resume to date sucks. They have the talent and have proven they can compete with anyone, anytime, anywhere. Two years ago they came very close to beating Auburn in the title game, last year they suffered a loss to #1 LSU to kick off the year on some bad turnovers and a bad luck missed field goal game to USC, this year they are undefeated. They've earned the perception of "best team."

KSU is hanging their hat on beating up horrendous defenses while shutting down soft offenses... plus a close win over Oklahoma before Oklahoma hit their stride. We beat the same Oklahoma team by more points when they were playing better. We have a harder SOS. We beat Miami by the same margin while allowing less points and outgaining KSU.... that's right, our "pitiful" offense outgained KSU. Our pitiful offense also outgained KSU against Oklahoma.

KSU had played FCS cupcakes, we haven't. We have a better defense than KSU. We have played against better defenses than KSU has faced and our adjust offense is completely comparable to theirs. Our adjust margin of victory is better.

There is absolutely no justification for the love KSU gets while ND gets criticized. The only argument people make is us having more squeakers... well, KSU squeaked by Iowa State, BYU we didn't have our starting QB, and Purdue was the second game of the season coming back across a freaking OCEAN from the week before to play the game. I think Pitt is literally the only team you can criticize us for... so we're kinda even in that department at one squeaker a piece against an inferior opponent.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

If you haven't been following the recent updates with how the new format will work in 2014, this is a good summary. Also shows how the bowls would have looked going back to 1998. The title game will be bid out and is not a part of the 6 bowls.


College football playoffs since 1998: What the new plan could've looked like - SBNation.com

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Seriously... KSU is so overrated right now it is sickening. I understand Oregon getting the votes even if their resume to date sucks. They have the talent and have proven they can compete with anyone, anytime, anywhere. Two years ago they came very close to beating Auburn in the title game, last year they suffered a loss to #1 LSU to kick off the year on some bad turnovers and a bad luck missed field goal game to USC, this year they are undefeated. They've earned the perception of "best team."

KSU is hanging their hat on beating up horrendous defenses while shutting down soft offenses... plus a close win over Oklahoma before Oklahoma hit their stride. We beat the same Oklahoma team by more points when they were playing better. We have a harder SOS. We beat Miami by the same margin while allowing less points and outgaining KSU.... that's right, our "pitiful" offense outgained KSU. Our pitiful offense also outgained KSU against Oklahoma.

KSU had played FCS cupcakes, we haven't. We have a better defense than KSU. We have played against better defenses than KSU has faced and our adjust offense is completely comparable to theirs. Our adjust margin of victory is better.

There is absolutely no justification for the love KSU gets while ND gets criticized. The only argument people make is us having more squeakers... well, KSU squeaked by Iowa State, BYU we didn't have our starting QB, and Purdue was the second game of the season coming back across a freaking OCEAN from the week before to play the game. I think Pitt is literally the only team you can criticize us for... so we're kinda even in that department at one squeaker a piece against an inferior opponent.

I agree with all of this, but I have more of a gripe towards Oregon than KSU. KSU has actually beat some teams so far this season. The polls are placing Oregon at #2 based purely on what they think they'll accomplish. If they roll Stanford and Oregon State, then I'll shut up about Oregon being ranked ahead of us. But until then, it's undeserved.

If the BCS came out this week with 1. KSU 2. ND 3. Oregon, I'd quiet down a little. I'd still be upset about being behind KSU for reasons you stated, but the bottom line is that ND in the top two at least has a shot for the NC. They've earned it, the computers back them, the stats back them. The problem? The haters don't back them, because they're too busy backing Oregon for what they could accomplish versus what ND already has.

 

[ARALOU]

KSU has a warm and fuzzy story regarding Snyder and his return ti save the program. Its an ESPN cream dream. Bottom line is ESPN has too much control over college football. On another note, I heard a Bama fan say if they win the SEC title game and don't get a shot at the NC game, the system is flawed. SEC fan is delusional now. I saw a thing on ESPN a couple weeks ago that said, SEC champ vs KSU, Oregon, or ND. Then it said, SEC champ vs highest ranked other SEC team. Which basically meant the #3 SEC team. ESPN and their homers are causing it.

 

[IrishLax]

KSU has a warm and fuzzy story regarding Snyder and his return ti save the program. Its an ESPN cream dream. Bottom line is ESPN has too much control over college football. On another note, I heard a Bama fan say if they win the SEC title game and don't get a shot at the NC game, the system is flawed. SEC fan is delusional now. I saw a thing on ESPN a couple weeks ago that said, SEC champ vs KSU, Oregon, or ND. Then it said, SEC champ vs highest ranked other SEC team. Which basically meant the #3 SEC team. ESPN and their homers are causing it.

ESPN is the devil in my book. They cannot decouple their business interests from journalistic integrity.

How ESPN Ditched Journalism And Followed Skip Bayless To The Bottom: A Tim Tebow Story

In this case, ESPN wants ND in another one of their BCS games because it will draw huge rating for that game whereas another team night not... and the BCS title game is guaranteed to draw big ratings regardless of who is in it.

 

[johnnykillz]

SIAP:

Notre Dame Right On Schedule While Returning To Power.

I'm not certain it's premium.

If it is, post so, and I'll paraphrase.

It's right on the money.

 

[PraetorianND]

SIAP:

Notre Dame Right On Schedule While Returning To Power.

I'm not certain it's premium.

If it is, post so, and I'll paraphrase.

It's right on the money.

premium

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Undefeated Notre Dame stuck at No. 3 and in need of help thanks to archaic preseason polls, BCS - Yahoo! Sports

"Coaches regularly admit that media relations directors and secretaries fill out their ballots. Since no coach has the free time to watch any game not involving next week’s opponent.."

The article overall is ok, but this line is disgusting. Media relations directors? Talk about jobs with agendas...these guys bleed it.

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

Someone's brainwashed.

You talk yourself out of your point in the second sentence. There is no way, unless the chips are stacked in their corner on purpose, that any conference should have the #4-9 spots in the BCS. That should be impossible.

My point is that is in fact BS. They need a reality check.

 

[GowerND11]

"Fisher said voters -- and computers -- put too much emphasis on style of wins and strength of schedule, however, and said the eye test is a fairer way to evaluate Florida State's actual ability."

I saw no one did a quote of this from the Jimbo article. Is he insane? Strength of Schedule shouldn't matter? Ok then how about FSU plays St. Mary's School for the Blind 12 times, win 200-0 and then the "eye test" will show that they are vastly superior and the humans should vote them number one.

 

[ACamp1900]

It is almost surreal how KSU gets all this love while we get hammered, you'd think ND was still a four-five loss team... If you look at the resumes, ND should have the upper hand.... Nope

 

[BleedBlueGold]

"Fisher said voters -- and computers -- put too much emphasis on style of wins and strength of schedule, however, and said the eye test is a fairer way to evaluate Florida State's actual ability."

I saw no one did a quote of this from the Jimbo article. Is he insane? Strength of Schedule shouldn't matter? Ok then how about FSU plays St. Mary's School for the Blind 12 times, win 200-0 and then the "eye test" will show that they are vastly superior and the humans should vote them number one.

Idk, I heard they signed consecutive top 5 recruiting classes. They should be ready to surprise some people next season.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Next Saturday-- begin cheering for the ACC like Mofo's:

Georgia Tech over Georgia
Clemson over South Carolina
Florida State over Florida

If all 3 of those happened (I think 2 definitely could)....it would be GLORIOUS!!!!

Between these and the Stanford or TCU possibilities, you have to think the Irish are going to be at least a little better-off than before.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

"Fisher said voters -- and computers -- put too much emphasis on style of wins and strength of schedule, however, and said the eye test is a fairer way to evaluate Florida State's actual ability."

I saw no one did a quote of this from the Jimbo article. Is he insane? Strength of Schedule shouldn't matter? Ok then how about FSU plays St. Mary's School for the Blind 12 times, win 200-0 and then the "eye test" will show that they are vastly superior and the humans should vote them number one.

He thinks that the coaches poll should be the only thing that determines the title game because they "know the game." Give me a break.

 

[TheChosen1]

Anyone have a link to Mike Golic this morning talking about ND he made some great points:

Some of them:
In the last 11 years, only seven FBS defenses have allowed fewer points per game than the Irish are currently allowing.

Of the 10 defenses #NotreDame offense has faced this year, 5 ranked in top 20 at time of game



Mike Greenberg‏@Espngreeny

Golic is hopelessly biased, but he's right. Numbers say #ND should be number one. If they get left out, it will be completely unfair.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

He thinks that the coaches poll should be the only thing that determines the title game because they "know the game." Give me a break.

Not to mention FSU's "eye-test" sucks...Last game they were losing to that tire-fire of a team VaTech.

 

[GowerND11]

He thinks that the coaches poll should be the only thing that determines the title game because they "know the game." Give me a break.

Exactly because Every coach has time to watch 60+ games every week, and be unbiased in their rankings. Haha.