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[Ironman8]

Well with Cano likely going to the Mariners now it won't be difficult to stay under 189. We will likely never know whether they were going to stay under or not.

Omar Infante and a SP look likely now.

 

[gkIrish]

If Cano wants 9 years, over 225, I am glad the Yankees aren't ponying up. Have fun in Seattle bro.

I know what you're saying, but it's not your money and we aren't breaking any rules, so what's the problem? If we are going to overpay for Ellsbury, why not Cano. I think 9/225 for Cano is actually more reasonable than 7/153 for Ellsbury

 

[Mr. Larson]

If Cano wants 9 years, over 225, I am glad the Yankees aren't ponying up. Have fun in Seattle bro.

Why are you glad that the Yankees wouldn't spend to keep Cano? It's not like the organization can't afford it, and there's no salary cap. Keep Cano in Pinstripes at all costs.

 

[gkIrish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>deal for cano and mariners is $240M, 10 years according to <a href="https://twitter.com/Enrique_Rojas1">@Enrique_Rojas1</a>. can confirm it's agreed to.</p>— Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/statuses/408989097508601857">December 6, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Ironman8]

I know what you're saying, but it's not your money and we aren't breaking any rules, so what's the problem? If we are going to overpay for Ellsbury, why not Cano. I think 9/225 for Cano is actually more reasonable than 7/153 for Ellsbury

1. I don't think any player should ever be signed to a contract over 5 years personally. 7 is the absolute max I would ever go if you really needed to fill spots. It's just way too much time and almost 100% of the time the team that signs that player eventually regrets it.

2. It is our money really. To pay for these players, the Yankees keep raising ticket prices to astronomical prices. Why do you think there are so many empty seats at games these days. They group we had always done season tickets with had to cancel our package because it was simply getting way too expensive. So yes, it does hurt us.

 

[Ironman8]

He just signed for 10 years, 240. Holy crap.

 

[Mr. Larson]

F*CK.

So we have sign Elsbury but fail to bring back Cano. MAJOR DOWNGRADE. WTF were they thinking???

 

[Ironman8]

Why are you glad that the Yankees wouldn't spend to keep Cano? It's not like the organization can't afford it, and there's no salary cap. Keep Cano in Pinstripes at all costs.

I just simply think it is terrible management strategy to say you have to keep a player at all costs. That's just bad business.

 

[gkIrish]

1. I don't think any player should ever be signed to a contract over 5 years personally. 7 is the absolute max I would ever go if you really needed to fill spots. It's just way too much time and almost 100% of the time the team that signs that player eventually regrets it.

I don't disagree with this but it is what it is.

2. It is our money really. To pay for these players, the Yankees keep raising ticket prices to astronomical prices. Why do you think there are so many empty seats at games these days. They group we had always done season tickets with had to cancel our package because it was simply getting way too expensive. So yes, it does hurt us.

Would you rather go to 5-6 games per year and win 2-3 championships in the next 10 years or go to 30 and win 0-1?

I don't want to get too theoretical but if prices become too high the buyer can choose not to go to games, as you have. If enough people make that choice, the Yankees will have to stop doing it. Nobody forces us to pay the astronomical prices and buy hats, jerseys, etc.

 

[Ironman8]

F*CK.

So we have sign Elsbury but fail to bring back Cano. MAJOR DOWNGRADE. WTF were they thinking???

They were thinking 10 years, 240 is an albatross they want no part of.

Did the Angels even make it one full year of Pujol's contract before regretting that? Good luck with the next 8 years.

I'll miss Robby, and it's a loss. But I think it's a good loss. They were smart not to go that far, in my opinion. Obviously others are entitled to disagree.

 

[Mr. Larson]

I just simply think it is terrible management strategy to say you have to keep a player at all costs. That's just bad business.

IMO Ws are more important than Hank and Hal's personal bank accounts and the balance sheet. Bloomberg estimated in October that the franchise is worth $3.3B...they could afford it...luxury tax be damned. Cano is an elite talent-top five player in the game today- with power from 2nd base.

This is just an epic failure.

 

[Ironman8]

IMO Ws are more important than Hank and Hal's personal bank accounts and the balance sheet. Bloomberg estimated in October that the franchise is worth $3.3B...they could afford it...luxury tax be damned. Cano is an elite talent-top five player in the game today- with power from 2nd base.

This is just an epic failure.

IMO the epic failure is Seattle signing a guy that they will now be paying 1/5th of their total salary every year until he is 41.

But that's just me.

IMO, Ellsbury, McCann, Tanaka, Infante, and another SP > Cano for an albatross, Beltran for 2 at his age.

Agree to disagree bud.

 

[gkIrish]

I've heard rumors that the Yankees may trade Gardner, Adam Warren + 2 high level prospects for Brandon Phillips (who the Reds won't be able to re-sign.

Would definitely lessen the blow. Infante doesn't thrill me but he would be okay in the short-term. I don't really like Garza for SP either.

 

[palinurus]

Robinson Cano reportedly agrees to deal with Seattle Mariners | MLB.com: News

 

[Irish#1]

F*CK.

So we have sign Elsbury but fail to bring back Cano. MAJOR DOWNGRADE. WTF were they thinking???

They knew they weren't going to keep him.

From what was reported, the Mariners originally told them no to the 10 year deal and offered the 9 year deal and talks were back on. The difference in the deals was negligible in the grand scheme of things so that didn't make a lot of sense. If he's getting the 10 year deal Seattle overpaid. He's worth it for the first five years but his skills won't be the same at age 35. You would think these teams would learn not to sign deals longer than 5-6 years.

 

[Mr. Larson]

IMO the epic failure is Seattle signing a guy that they will now be paying 1/5th of their total salary every year until he is 41.

But that's just me.

IMO, Ellsbury, McCann, Tanaka, Infante, and another SP > Cano for an albatross, Beltran for 2 at his age.

Agree to disagree bud.

I hear ya.

Agreed that Seattle has a terrible contract on their hands, too. Still really pissed off.

The Boss has to be rolling in grave right now.

 

[Ironman8]

Curtis Granderson to the Mets. Another compensation pick for the Yankees. Nice.

 

[notredomer23]

I wish we could have kept Cano, but he is not worth 240 mil... The Yankees also learned the hard way not to give ten year deals...

 

[Ironman8]

We got two first round compensation picks today. I like that.

 

[palinurus]

I wish we could have kept Cano, but he is not worth 240 mil... The Yankees also learned the hard way not to give ten year deals...

This. Ten year contracts for a 31 year old are insane.

 

[gkIrish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>And the hits just keep on coming… RT <a href="https://twitter.com/FeinsandNYDN">@FeinsandNYDN</a>: BREAKING: Source says Yankees and Carlos Beltran have agreed to a three-year deal.</p>— Sweeny Murti (@YankeesWFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/YankeesWFAN/statuses/409154381750087681">December 7, 2013</a></blockquote>
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three years 45 million

 

[rtrn2glory]

dang it i really wanted him in boston

 

[gkIrish]

C--McCann
1b-Tex
2b-Kelly Johnson or ?
3b-Arod or ?
SS-Jeter
LF-Soriano
CF-Ellsbury
RF-Ichiro/Beltran
DH-Beltran/Ichiro

Pretty great but we need a backup plan at third.

 

[KPENN]

They have to be dealing Gardner.

 

[gkIrish]

They have to be dealing Gardner.

Yup. Gotta be for pitching at this point.

 

[gkIrish]

I really like Beltran because he hits for average and power. Switch hitter + he is clutch. I have no idea where he is going to hit in the lineup though. Ellsbury obviously leads off but does Beltran or Jeter hit second??

 

[palinurus]

Ellsbury
Jeter
Beltran
Arod
Soriano
Teixeira
McCann
Kelly Johnson
Ichiro

 

[irishff1014]

Beltran probably will hit 3rd.

 

[BGIF]

I really like Beltran because he hits for average and power. Switch hitter + he is clutch. I have no idea where he is going to hit in the lineup though. Ellsbury obviously leads off but does Beltran or Jeter hit second??

Does Jeter play?

It's been a while.

If he plays he bats #2.

 

[BGIF]

Report: Yankees agree to three-year contract with Carlos Beltran - CBSSports.com

By Mike Axisa

The Yankees have agreed to a three-year contract with Carlos Beltran, reports Mark Feinsand of the N.ew York Daily News. Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports says the deal is worth $45 million.

Beltran, 36, has made it no secret over the years that he one day wanted to play for the Yankees. He offered to sign with them at a discount before latching on with the Mets before 2005, and two years ago he gave New York a chance to match the two-year, $26 million he received from the Cardinals.

The Yankees, meanwhile, were reportedly holding firm at a two-year offer. The apparently decided to offer the third year after losing Robinson Cano to the Mariners. Beltran joins a crowded outfield that includes incumbents Brett Gardner, Ichiro Suzuki and Alfonso Soriano as well as newcomer Jacoby Ellsbury.

In 145 games for St. Louis in 2013, Beltran hit .296/.336/.491 (128 OPS+) with 24 home runs. He'll be able to split time between right field and DH with the Yankees, which fits best at this point of his career. Beltran had knee problems a few years ago but has stayed relatively healthy the last three seasons while playing in the DH-less league.

The Cardinals will receive a supplemental first round pick for losing Beltran. The Yankees will forfeit the supplemental first rounder they received for losing Cano as a result of adding Beltran. They lost their first rounder for signing Brian McCann and the supplemental pick they received for losing Curtis Granderson to the Mets when they agreed to sign Ellsbury