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Hmmm....never thought of Moorhead (don't know how) but I really like the thought of a Moorhead/Elko combo. Sign me up if things don't go well from here on out.
Will ND Football Ever Become Elite?
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You guys have me dreaming of Harbaugh. How awesome would that be? Having such a big name coach would instantly help with recruiting.
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Gonna make it hard to deal when ND ultimately hires Al Golden,...
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Ha I too fully expect a Narduzzi or Golden hire. 8-4 for life.
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I'm just waiting to see half this board try to rationalize how Dantonio is the greatest hire since Holtz.
UGA is garbage.
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Go to the political board, it's full of people rationalizing shitty leadership.
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Who was a better hire since Holtz?
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Kelly.
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Record says no.
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Yes the same Dantonio that just had his MSU team struggle with Western Michigan.
Nothing sexier than that.
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Cool... SC sucks then too Transitive property says: ND goes 11-1
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On the board we measure in Natty Champs and BCS level bowl appearances. Yes?
Dantonio has won the Rose Bowl, Cotton Bowl and gotten blown out in the CFB Playoff.
Kelly has lost the Fiesta Bowl and National Championship.
Has Dantonio been better? Probably. But I don't think the gap is as big as a "HELL NO"
And with your recruiting bump I offset you strength of schedule. Also how much of the success had to do with Narduzzi? Last year would suggest a lot.
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Kelly in 2010 was a better hire than Dantonio would be in 2017. Turn back the clock seven or eight years and it's an interesting conversation. But at this point, no.
The guy is 61 years old, coming off a season just as bad as Kelly's was. Has never done the grind of recruiting nationally. And does not appear all that into the endless off-the-field obligations of being a head coach at a school like Notre Dame. To put it mildly.
I love what he's done at Michigan State, but he just doesn't make sense as our next coach for anything other than a short-term placeholder. No thanks. I'd be surprised if he would even want the job.
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First off, I don't want Dantonio, nor am I on of these guys after BK with a pitchfork. But since '10... excluding '16 when both guys sucked equally:
BK has a 3-2 head to head advantage.
BK is 10-18 against ranked teams. MD is 17-11.
BK has 5 bad losses to meh teams, MD has 2.
BK is 1-3 in major bowls or against a good major team so I'm counting LSU/Music City Bowl
MD is 3-2 plus he's 2-1 in the B1G Championship.
SOS avg over the 6 seasons: BK = 20, MD = 26.
LOL...NO.
Nobody in their RIGHT mind says that. Kelly was a good hire for ND, the best people thought we could get. The only reason he is not getting raked over the coal now is because people are holding onto the failed mantra of, "He is the best ND can ever hope for," which is clearly garbage. Sorry, but Holtz was a superior coach in EVERY SINGLE WAY.
First off, I don't want Dantonio, nor am I on of these guys after BK with a pitchfork. But since '10... excluding '16 when both guys sucked equally:
BK has a 3-2 head to head advantage.
BK is 10-18 against ranked teams. MD is 17-11.
BK has 5 bad losses to meh teams, MD has 2.
BK is 1-3 in major bowls or against a good major team so I'm counting LSU/Music City Bowl
MD is 3-2 plus he's 2-1 in the B1G Championship.
SOS avg over the 6 seasons: BK = 20, MD = 26.
LSU was not good. I think the only reason you are including that is because ND won. That was a crappy bowl game against a crappy LSU team. Kelly is 0 for 3 against GOOD to ELITE teams.
Also, please tell me how ND is close to being elite under Kelly when Dantonio has a better bowl record, is better against ranked teams and is against a comparable schedule, considering how awful the Big Ten was until two years ago. I am not sure about him, but every metric shows that Dantonio is simply a superior coach to BK. Frankly, it is not close and MSU does not have anywhere near the talent level ND does.
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They had the best defense in the SEC, were a multiple TD favorite, and were ranked. WTF are you talking about?
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I usually agree with a lot you say but, Ole Miss was the best defense in 2014 in the SEC and the score should have been 21-21 at half, 21-17 at least and the Irish would have either tied the game at the end to OT or had to score a TD to tie it.
I was at the game and LSU fans were rightly pissed. The replay officials really screwed LSU over on that one. But, credit ND for playing LSU way above what many thought it would be because LSU was crappy that day and the Irish took advantage of their bad play. I blame the Mad Hatter for his dumb calls in addition.
The Irish held them in check for 90% of that game - it was the 'usual' Big Plays that scored 21 points for LSU or the score would have been totally different.
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The question was who was the best hire SINCE Holtz. The answer to that is pretty clearly Brian Kelly. No one here is arguing Kelly is a better coach than Holtz was.
It was asked in the context of people (sarcastically) suggesting that hiring Mark D'Antonio AFTER THIS SEASON would be "the best hire since Holtz." Personally I think D'Antonio is past his prime and, if Kelly's done, we should hire someone better fit for the off-field requirements of the Notre Dame job, and probably someone younger than 62. Eight years ago, we may have been better off hiring D'Antonio than Kelly, maybe not. I've no idea.
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Damn, you're right Ole Miss was better on advanced stats (after bowl game at least). I was looking at LSU's YPG which was tops heading into the bowl. LSU was still a top 10 defense in the country by S&P, and still tops in SEC in YPP and YPG I think heading into that contest.
Bad calls are completely irrelevant though to the discussion at hand. No one is giving us back the FSU win in talking about Kelly from that year. In retrospective a win is a win and a loss is a loss and if you're going to subtract LSU then you'd have to give Kelly the win in Tallahassee which is actually an even better one.
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You do not have to subtract the LSU win. It was a W but it was not a great SEC team. Their defense was better than UGA this weekend, but their offense was not that great, and I do not remember their ST standing out, either.
However, I think claiming that he Music City Bowl was against a VERY GOOD team is overstating things.
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LSU was at least good, certainly not crappy. 8-4 in the SEC West's best year ever. Wins against ranked Wisconsin and #3 Ole Miss. Losses to 11 win (one time #1) Miss St, NC runner up Bama, #5 Auburn, #22 ND and a bad road loss to an Arkansas team that finished 7-6.
As to your second paragraph, you got me confused with someone else. The stats I provided agree with what you said.
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Yeah, they weren't elite, but they were a top 25 team from the SEC with a good defense. I'd call them a "good" team but obviously not some huge marquee win like Oklahoma on the road in '12, etc.
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No.
We may occasionally have a good run and possibly even a random championship, but not elite as long as there are places that will sell out the school side and or pay elite players.
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I don't have the time to put together an elaborate, detailed post right now but I thought about this after the Georgia loss.
At first I was impressed with how we hung in there with a big name in the SEC. Then reality set in and I realized Georgia was a solid defense with a mediocre O line and no experience at the QB position.
Then I realized their D shut us down on offense all night. Our points came after flags. Yes, flags are thrown for a reason but it was obvious we weren't putting together long drives.
Then I did the one thing I hate doing.. I asked myself what the score would be if Bama was on the other side of the ball.
Would we compete just based on physicality alone?
In short, I think every 3 or 4 years we'll have the capability to do what Clemson did, IF.. IF.. IF the coaching/playcalling is up to par.
We just don't have the ability to recruit depth like some of these top tier football programs year after ear.
You see what happens when we get the Lynch's of the world.
That and BK always plays experience over talent.. I fukcing can't stand that.
At first I was impressed with how we hung in there with a big name in the SEC. Then reality set in and I realized Georgia was a solid defense with a mediocre O line and no experience at the QB position.
Then I realized their D shut us down on offense all night. Our points came after flags. Yes, flags are thrown for a reason but it was obvious we weren't putting together long drives.
Then I did the one thing I hate doing.. I asked myself what the score would be if Bama was on the other side of the ball.
Would we compete just based on physicality alone?
In short, I think every 3 or 4 years we'll have the capability to do what Clemson did, IF.. IF.. IF the coaching/playcalling is up to par.
We just don't have the ability to recruit depth like some of these top tier football programs year after ear.
You see what happens when we get the Lynch's of the world.
That and BK always plays experience over talent.. I fukcing can't stand that.