Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[Rocket89]

10-0 and great stats against a schedule that includes two winning records. The mighty 6-4 Hurons of Eastern Michigan and FCS NC Central at 8-2. I've seen this resume before..

Now, if he had a Purdue or Illinois type at 8-4 in two years, I'd be a player.

FWIW, Western Michigan is currently at #16 in F/+ national rankings.

That's still elite historical production for a MAC team. I do understand the reservations for such an unproven coach, though.

 

[Irish#1]

FWIW, Western Michigan is currently at #16 in F/+ national rankings.

That's still elite historical production for a MAC team. I do understand the reservations for such an unproven coach, though.

They could be #1 in the nation in all offensive categories, but as NDC pointed out, it is a MAC schedule. I'd still take over Sanford at the moment.

 

[Rocket89]

They could be #1 in the nation in all offensive categories, but as NDC pointed out, it is a MAC schedule. I'd still take over Sanford at the moment.

F/+ is opponent adjusted.

 

[IrishLax]

FWIW, Western Michigan is currently at #16 in F/+ national rankings.

That's still elite historical production for a MAC team. I do understand the reservations for such an unproven coach, though.

Yes.
1. Elite recruiter.
2. Taken a program that was never ranked to 10-0.
3. Advanced statistics prove that it's a good product on the field.

While he obviously could fail, I think he'd have a very high ceiling if hired at Notre Dame.

 

[dwshade]

1. Kelly will remain HC without question.

2. Swarbrick would never hire someone with so little experience.

 

[Number3rockin]

I'd take a chance on Fleck. Great coaches don't start at ND,osu,bama etc. They start at smaller schools. Western mich has more talent than Purdue, it's not even a lateral move! Young coach, possibility of great coaching longevity.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I'd take a chance on Fleck. Great coaches don't start at ND,osu,bama etc. They start at smaller schools. Western mich has more talent than Purdue, it's not even a lateral move! Young coach, possibility of great coaching longevity.

I would not take Fleck until he proves he can win at a high level.

Urban Meyer is the perfect example of how you want a coach to Love up the rankings.

Bowling Green to Utah to the big time.

I'll wait till Fleck makes a bother I've up the coaching ladder.


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[BobbyMac]

FWIW, Western Michigan is currently at #16 in F/+ national rankings.

So what it's saying is they are statistically really good at laying it on a bad MAC schedule. Thank goodness they have a 5-5 Northwestern win to prop them up. Well at least he knows how to keep a boot on a bums throat. That's how you get out of the MAC.

They could be #1 in the nation in all offensive categories, but as NDC pointed out, it is a MAC schedule. I'd still take over Sanford at the moment.

I would too. He's a HC getting it done in impressive fashion. But his tree isn't what you want. I'm not gonna break it down but a quick wiki will get you up to speed. It's better than BK's but it's not sponge worthy.

Yes.
1. Elite recruiter.
2. Taken a program that was never ranked to 10-0.
3. Advanced statistics prove that it's a good product on the field.

While he obviously could fail, I think he'd have a very high ceiling if hired at Notre Dame.

Elite recruiter in the MAC. That means he gets more .8300, 3 stars no-takes from under the B1G's table than the other MAC programs. Case in point, his best two recruits (ratings-wise) were Matt Flacon... Michigan injury reject and Justin Tranquill... ND's no take.

Dan Mullen is a much better choice. He's a realistic possibility, fits the demos, fruit of the best tree that allows him to pick up the phone and stock his staff with quality "his guys".

I'd take a chance on Fleck. Great coaches don't start at ND,osu,bama etc. They start at smaller schools. Western mich has more talent than Purdue, it's not even a lateral move! Young coach, possibility of great coaching longevity.

Actually true on the talent aspect. It's shocking to look at the ratings of Purdue's last three classes. BUT... the salary would be around 4x as much as what he's getting in Kalamazoo. Those are the type of lateral moves I like to make!


All that said, I'd trade Fleck for BK yesterday if I couldn't get one of my preferred choices starting with Dan Mullen in the viable options category.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Which of these chaps will be ND's next coach? Find out on the next episode of Jack Swarbrick's Flying Circus!

 

[GBdomer]

I'm also pretty sure Fleck is close with Sanford

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Dan Mullen...Another pass for me.


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[Rocket89]

So what it's saying is they are statistically really good at laying it on a bad MAC schedule. Thank goodness they have a 5-5 Northwestern win to prop them up. Well at least he knows how to keep a boot on a bums throat. That's how you get out of the MAC.

It's 2016 and there are literally a couple posts above mentioning F/+ is an advanced stat that factors in many things including schedule strength. Why is this so difficult?

I wasn't advocating Fleck be the next coach. He still needs more body of work and that's if we can ever get past his, ahem, personality.

But he hasn't put together some run of the mill beat up some bad teams in a small conference type season. He's on track for one of the best MAC seasons ever, and pound for pound, built a top 25 team from nothing.

 

[BobbyMac]

It's 2016 and there are literally a couple posts above mentioning F/+ is an advanced stat that factors in many things including schedule strength. Why is this so difficult?

What's difficult? So they are good in a statistical composite. There are no SEC-E teams above them in the F/+, how much would you wager they'd win the SEC-E. Where do you think they'd finish?

I wasn't advocating Fleck be the next coach. He still needs more body of work and that's if we can ever get past his, ahem, personality.

I said it above, I'd trade him for BK yesterday if I couldn't get some guys higher on my list.

But he hasn't put together some run of the mill beat up some bad teams in a small conference type season. He's on track for one of the best MAC seasons ever, and pound for pound, built a top 25 team from nothing.

Actually, that's exactly what they're doing and they have a Top 25 ranking, they aren't one of the best 25 teams in the country.

 

[Rocket89]

What's difficult? So they are good in a statistical composite. There are no SEC-E teams above them in the F/+, how much would you wager they'd win the SEC-E. Where do you think they'd finish?

Actually, that's exactly what they're doing and they have a Top 25 ranking, they aren't one of the best 25 teams in the country.

They aren't a top 25 team based on......their schedule or something?

Forgive me if I'm more inclined to believe FO's dozens of opponent adjusted data points over this simpleton line of thinking.

And yes, I'd expect WMU to do very well in the SEC East this year.

 

[IrishLion]

If WMU were transported to the SEC East, Fleck might very well row that damn boat straight through that hot, steamy pile of refuse that they call football.

 

[ThePiombino]

They could be #1 in the nation in all offensive categories, but as NDC pointed out, it is a MAC schedule. I'd still take over Sanford at the moment.

Just gonna throw this analogy out there...

You drive a high-end German car. It needs servicing and your regular mechanic is unavailable (forced into retirement). You have two choices:

1) A mechanic who does great work with domestic cars

or

2) Some dude who rode shotgun in an Audi once

You want shottie working on your car?

 

[Irish#1]

I'd take a chance on Fleck. Great coaches don't start at ND,osu,bama etc. They start at smaller schools. Western mich has more talent than Purdue, it's not even a lateral move! Young coach, possibility of great coaching longevity.

Actually a move to Purdue would be a step up. Any B1G position is looked at as being a better situation then any MAC school. With a new AD and some completed upgrades, it won't take Purdue long to move back up in the B1G with the right coach.

 

[irishff1014]

ranks seventh nationally in total offense including first in third-down conversion and red-zone offense and 15th nationally in total defense which is highlighted by a No. 1 ranking in turnover margin

That schedule is a steaming pile of dog shit.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Really can't find any post to put this so, put it here unless you all know of where it needs to be:

What is everyone's thoughts of some college teams using Pro/Ex-Pro athletes on the practice squads?

 

[BobbyMac]

They aren't a top 25 team based on......their schedule or something?

Forgive me if I'm more inclined to believe FO's dozens of opponent adjusted data points over this simpleton line of thinking.

And yes, I'd expect WMU to do very well in the SEC East this year.

I played in the MAC. We beat Purdue on the road, we lost to IU close on the road... both early in the non-conference season. If we would have been in the B1G we would have finished in the bottom third. Welcome to the advantage of being the best mid major, you get up for the two P5 games and they don't. They beat a bad Fitzgerald NW barely and smartly scheduled Illinois who, like Purdue would finish 3rd or worse in the MAC. They are definitely outliers.

WMU is not one of the best 25 teams in the country. They would finish 6th or worse in all the P5 conferences. If you wanna geek out with numbers and fantasy boi stats, fine but when you have to line up week in and week out against 4-5 star guys that out everything you, the law of averages takes it's toll. No one is for the mid major more than I but the thing these stats don't take into account is the cumulative effect of playing bigger, faster players every week and they rely on the transitive property to explain the NIU, WMU, Toledo success in limited sample sizes. I didn't need an algorithm to figure that out, I did it with busted teeth, bones & ligaments. What does F/+ say about WMU's 2nd/3rd string OL & DL who will all be playing by the end of the season in the B1G or SEC?

 

[NDdomer2]

Really can't find any post to put this so, put it here unless you all know of where it needs to be:

What is everyone's thoughts of some college teams using Pro/Ex-Pro athletes on the practice squads?

women's college bball has been using men as practice squad for years.

I don't see any issue with it honestly.

 

[Dizzyphil]

women's college bball has been using men as practice squad for years.

I don't see any issue with it honestly.

Me either. Has football ever utilized Pro athletes in this way?

 

[Rocket89]

I played in the MAC. We beat Purdue on the road, we lost to IU close on the road... both early in the non-conference season. If we would have been in the B1G we would have finished in the bottom third. Welcome to the advantage of being the best mid major, you get up for the two P5 games and they don't. They beat a bad Fitzgerald NW barely and smartly scheduled Illinois who, like Purdue would finish 3rd or worse in the MAC. They are definitely outliers.

WMU is not one of the best 25 teams in the country. They would finish 6th or worse in all the P5 conferences. If you wanna geek out with numbers and fantasy boi stats, fine but when you have to line up week in and week out against 4-5 star guys that out everything you, the law of averages takes it's toll. No one is for the mid major more than I but the thing these stats don't take into account is the cumulative effect of playing bigger, faster players every week and they rely on the transitive property to explain the NIU, WMU, Toledo success in limited sample sizes. I didn't need an algorithm to figure that out, I did it with busted teeth, bones & ligaments. What does F/+ say about WMU's 2nd/3rd string OL & DL who will all be playing by the end of the season in the B1G or SEC?

This is the ultimate anti-advanced stats rant. You played football! You would know!

Thank you for that. 😄

There's some truth to what you're saying but it's not nearly as pronounced as you make it seem. Plus, I wouldn't use that argument as a reason to wholly ignore helpful data and stats.

To each their own. I see a ton of flawed teams filled with 3-stars in the top 25 but you can only lead a horse to water...

 

[Number3rockin]

Actually a move to Purdue would be a step up. Any B1G position is looked at as being a better situation then any MAC school. With a new AD and some completed upgrades, it won't take Purdue long to move back up in the B1G with the right coach.[/

Currently Purdue(maybe a little pay bump) vs wmu football wise is pretty much a lateral move. Coaches outside of Tiller don't really win at Purdue.

I don't disagree that fleck or any other young head coach that I'd like at ND might not to have "enough" experience. But for example, people get jobs everyday that might not have experience, fake it till you make it. Les or other "top notche" coaches would ask ND for what 5-6mil a year? BK has a buyout, so pay 5-6mil a year plus BK buy out? Or take a chance on a young up and coming HC(3-4year deal) paying him 1-2mil plus BK buy out.

Just think ND needs some new energy from HC position.

 

[BobbyMac]

Actually a move to Purdue would be a step up. Any B1G position is looked at as being a better situation then any MAC school. With a new AD and some completed upgrades, it won't take Purdue long to move back up in the B1G with the right coach.[/

Currently Purdue(maybe a little pay bump) vs wmu football wise is pretty much a lateral move. Coaches outside of Tiller don't really win at Purdue.

I don't disagree that fleck or any other young head coach that I'd like at ND might not to have "enough" experience. But for example, people get jobs everyday that might not have experience, fake it till you make it. Les or other "top notche" coaches would ask ND for what 5-6mil a year? BK has a buyout, so pay 5-6mil a year plus BK buy out? Or take a chance on a young up and coming HC(3-4year deal) paying him 1-2mil plus BK buy out.

Just think ND needs some new energy from HC position.

You must roll hard bro if you think $2.0M+ is a little pay bump. Fleck's $800k vs Hazell's $2.2M that originated in 2012 is almost 3x the coin but Fleck would get today money, not 2012 money. No way Purdue would get Fleck for under the league average which is north of $3M. So like I said above, it's 4x the WMU money.

...and if Fleck can get $3M+ at Purdue, how on God's green earth do you think ND gets him for $1-2M???

Come on man.

 

[Number3rockin]

Nope, if those are the figures, you are right. $ wise, that's a big bump!

 

[Number3rockin]

If BK returns next year...with Boston college struggles, would Addazio be a good DC hire? Or is it his DCs that other schools want?

 

[Rocket89]

If BK returns next year...with Boston college struggles, would Addazio be a good DC hire? Or is it his DCs that other schools want?

Personally, I'm against a coach with a OL/TE background for defensive coordinator.

 

[IrishLax]

If BK returns next year...with Boston college struggles, would Addazio be a good DC hire? Or is it his DCs that other schools want?

Ironically, his experience is mainly on the other side of the ball. I really think that Mike Elko is the guy we need to zero in on and pray he's willing to come here for a massive pay raise (and not to another top school that might be looking, like Texas, etc.)

 

[Number3rockin]

Got it, I didn't know his background. You always hear about how good BC defense is.