Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[BeauBenken]

I'm surprised no one has talked about it but are there any chances we can get Jim Tressell? I know the past is shady, and he has no connections. But his suspension ends in 2017 and I don't think it would be a bad idea if we do go looking for a new coach. Idk, I'm a punk teenage melenial, and I probably know very little and will get blasted. I wouldn't mind keeping Kelly, but in the case of getting a new coach, I think Tressell should be considered.

People have mentioned it.

 

[Rocket 94]

Yes you are wrong. If ND called and offered a job, do you really think he's staying at MSU? Come on now...

Living here in Michigan I don't think Dantonio would be comfortable at ND. He is somewhat of an introvert with the media and he would not want all the obligations of being an ND coach. He is perfectly happy at MSU and the expectations are low enough there that he gets no heat for the most part.

I feel like he would be a disaster at ND.

 

[gkIrish]

I'm surprised no one has talked about it but are there any chances we can get Jim Tressell? I know the past is shady, and he has no connections. But his suspension ends in 2017 and I don't think it would be a bad idea if we do go looking for a new coach. Idk, I'm a punk teenage melenial, and I probably know very little and will get blasted. I wouldn't mind keeping Kelly, but in the case of getting a new coach, I think Tressell should be considered.

Age, again, is a problem. Otherwise he would be at the top of my list.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Yes you are wrong. If ND called and offered a job, do you really think he's staying at MSU? Come on now...

He wouldn't take it.

As much as I love D'Antonio he is 6 years older than BK. I think that would be the wrong direction to go. Need to go younger.

Yup

I'm surprised no one has talked about it but are there any chances we can get Jim Tressell? I know the past is shady, and he has no connections. But his suspension ends in 2017 and I don't think it would be a bad idea if we do go looking for a new coach. Idk, I'm a punk teenage melenial, and I probably know very little and will get blasted. I wouldn't mind keeping Kelly, but in the case of getting a new coach, I think Tressell should be considered.

It's been discussed. That would be a great hire IMO .

Living here in Michigan I don't think Dantonio would be comfortable at ND. He is somewhat of an introvert with the media and he would not want all the obligations of being an ND coach. He is perfectly happy at MSU and the expectations are low enough there that he gets no heat for the most part.

I feel like he would be a disaster at ND.

Remember when he had heart issues a few years ago on the sideline? Imagine him with the greater pressures of ND.

 

[kmoose]

Age, again, is a problem. Otherwise he would be at the top of my list.

Tressel is 63, Saban is 61. I don't think age would be an issue.

 

[ACamp1900]

Tressel is 63, Saban is 61. I don't think age would be an issue.

Neither are taking on new top tier challenges at this point though... right?

 

[ulukinatme]

Remember when he had heart issues a few years ago on the sideline? Imagine him with the greater pressures of ND.

He'd be on the ground after our offense's opening punt is muffed. Yeah, no way he would survive the ND job.

 

[kmoose]

Neither are taking on new top tier challenges at this point though... right?

I bet that no one would question Saban's age, if ND made him an offer and he accepted. Plus, Tressel has had 5 years away from coaching, to recharge the batteries. I think he would be an excellent hire.

 

[tko]

We'd replace Kelly with "Sweater vest?"

 

[gkIrish]

I bet that no one would question Saban's age, if ND made him an offer and he accepted. Plus, Tressel has had 5 years away from coaching, to recharge the batteries. I think he would be an excellent hire.

It depends on who else is an option. I'd rather have Herman than Tressel based on age, for example. You don't see many coaches take new jobs after age 60 and succeed.

 

[kmoose]

We'd replace Kelly with "Sweater vest?"

Why not? Tressel took over a very talented, but underachieving Ohio State program. I think the similarities are actually pretty striking.

 

[ulukinatme]

I bet that no one would question Saban's age, if ND made him an offer and he accepted. Plus, Tressel has had 5 years away from coaching, to recharge the batteries. I think he would be an excellent hire.

I'm not even sure why people would deal in the Saban hypothetical though. I don't even envision an alternate universe where Saban would leave Alabama for ND, it's just a bad move all around for him. It's like suggesting Vince Lombardi would leave the Packers to coach the equivalent of the Browns after winning back to back Super Bowls. Well, maybe that's too strong an analogy, at least in the Browns comparison.

 

[ACamp1900]

I bet that no one would question Saban's age, if ND made him an offer and he accepted. Plus, Tressel has had 5 years away from coaching, to recharge the batteries. I think he would be an excellent hire.

In a Twilight Zone episode where Saban to ND was even worth considering then no, no one would question his age... but there are reasons for that.

 

[Irish#1]

Yes you are wrong. If ND called and offered a job, do you really think he's staying at MSU? Come on now...

So you know Dantonio personally?

 

[Irish#1]

Age, again, is a problem. Otherwise he would be at the top of my list.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you're in your sixties, that's not old. You guys that think it is will change your mind once you get there.

 

[gkIrish]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you're in your sixties, that's not old. You guys that think it is will change your mind once you get there.

I am by no means saying coaches in their sixties cannot be successful. Plenty of them are. I'm saying I can't think of many examples where it has worked out for a coach 60+ taking a new high pressure job.

Also I just think we generally should target someone that could be here 25 years and not 5-10.

 

[pkt77242]

I am by no means saying coaches in their sixties cannot be successful. Plenty of them are. I'm saying I can't think of many examples where it has worked out for a coach 60+ taking a new high pressure job.

Also I just think we generally should target someone that could be here 25 years and not 5-10.

I just don't think that the bold is very realistic. I think it is highly unlikely that you see coaches stick around for 20-25 years going forward. I think wanting a coach to be here 10 years makes sense, so that you aren't constantly starting over but 25 years is a pipe dream at a pressure cooker job.

 

[gkIrish]

I just don't think that the bold is very realistic. I think it is highly unlikely that you see coaches stick around for 20-25 years going forward. I think wanting a coach to be here 10 years makes sense, so that you aren't constantly starting over but 25 years is a pipe dream at a pressure cooker job.

Might not be realistic but I think you can't eliminate that possibility by hiring someone on the back 9.

I'm not saying I wouldn't hire Tressel or D'Antonio. Hell yeah I would. I'm just saying if it's Herman or them I'm going Herman every time.

 

[ulukinatme]

I am by no means saying coaches in their sixties cannot be successful. Plenty of them are. I'm saying I can't think of many examples where it has worked out for a coach 60+ taking a new high pressure job.

Also I just think we generally should target someone that could be here 25 years and not 5-10.

I just don't think that the bold is very realistic. I think it is highly unlikely that you see coaches stick around for 20-25 years going forward. I think wanting a coach to be here 10 years makes sense, so that you aren't constantly starting over but 25 years is a pipe dream at a pressure cooker job.

This. NO coach has lasted at ND 25 years. Rockne was the longest at 13. Even the best coaches end up here about 10 years, that's the average for the really good ones. Almost all of them had to retire or quit due to health reasons because the job can be brutal. Obviously the less than stellar ones are gone sooner.

Look at it this way. When the Ohio State series was scheduled, BK made mention that he'll likely not be here when those games are played. It's not because he thought he'd get fired before then, he probably knows how long most coaches last here and was likely feeling the burn himself already.

 

[gkIrish]

This. NO coach has lasted at ND 25 years. Rockne was the longest at 13. Even the best coaches end up here about 10 years, that's the average for the really good ones. Almost all of them had to retire or quit due to health reasons because the job can be brutal. Obviously the less than stellar ones are gone sooner.

Look at it this way. When the Ohio State series was scheduled, BK made mention that he'll likely not be here when those games are played. It's not because he thought he'd get fired before then, he probably knows how long most coaches last here and was likely feeling the burn himself already.

Someone want to provide an example of a 60+ year old coach going to a new job at a big program and having great success? I just honestly can't think of one.

 

[pkt77242]

Someone want to provide an example of a 60+ year old coach going to a new job at a big program and having great success? I just honestly can't think of one.

Can you name many (or even any) that failed? I am struggling to think of a 60+ coach who took a high profile job. Usually a coach that is 60+ doesn't change jobs, so I disagree with your premise just because it doesn't really happen, so we don't have enough (or even any) data to come to a conclusion.

 

[ulukinatme]

Someone want to provide an example of a 60+ year old coach going to a new job at a big program and having great success? I just honestly can't think of one.

Well, Saban was in his mid/late 50s when he took over Alabama, but I get your point. I'm not ready to throw in the towel on BK yet, but if we were to get a new coach I think a young coach with energy would be good. I just wouldn't expect him to last forever.

 

[gkIrish]

Can you name many (or even any) that failed? I am struggling to think of a 60+ coach who took a high profile job. Usually a coach that is 60+ doesn't change jobs, so I disagree with your premise just because it doesn't really happen, so we don't have enough (or even any) data to come to a conclusion.

Steve Spurrier was 60 when he took the South Carolina job. Had 3 good seasons out of 11. Never went to a BCS bowl.

Lou Holt was over 60 when he took the South Carolina job too. Not good there.

 

[pkt77242]

Steve Spurrier was 60 when he took the South Carolina job. Had 3 good seasons out of 11. Never went to a BCS bowl.

Lou Holt was over 60 when he took the South Carolina job too. Not good there.

2 Things:
1. South Carolina is not a pressure cooker program (or at least it wasn't when he went there).

2. He made that program so much better than it was previously. He would qualify as a success not a failure.

In the 15 years before Spurrier, they went to 3 bowl games. He took them to 9 bowl games and led them to 11 wins 3 times.

ETA: I agree with you about Holtz though.


ETA: Spurrier led S.C. to 3 straight 11 win seasons, we only dream of that now.

 

[gkIrish]

2 Things:
1. South Carolina is not a pressure cooker program (or at least it wasn't when he went there).

2. He made that program so much better than it was previously. He would qualify as a success not a failure.

In the 15 years before Spurrier, they went to 3 bowl games. He took them to 9 bowl games and led them to 11 wins 3 times.

ETA: I agree with you about Holtz though.


ETA: Spurrier led S.C. to 3 straight 11 win seasons, we only dream of that now.

I guess success to me doesn't mean just making the program better. Obviously I view BK as a failure, although I acknowledge that he made the program better.

I think you are right that there are not many examples. But I think it's because schools realize it's not a great idea in a world where it takes 3 years to convert the program.

Also it took Spurrier 6 seasons to get to 11 wins and I don't think he would have made it that long at ND with all those 6 loss seasons.

 

[pkt77242]

I guess success to me doesn't mean just making the program better. Obviously I view BK as a failure, although I acknowledge that he made the program better.

I think you are right that there are not many examples. But I think it's because schools realize it's not a great idea in a world where it takes 3 years to convert the program.

Also it took Spurrier 6 seasons to get to 11 wins and I don't think he would have made it that long at ND with all those 6 loss seasons.

I think that part of the reason that there isn't a lot of examples is that most of the time by the time a coach is 60+ they are either viewed as a good coach and thus at a good program (so not leaving) or they are not a good coach and thus they aren't getting to the good programs. Spurrier is a rarity and that is because he went to the NFL, otherwise he would still have been at Florida humming along.

 

[ACamp1900]

Steve Spurrier was 60 when he took the South Carolina job. Had 3 good seasons out of 11. Never went to a BCS bowl.

Lou Holt was over 60 when he took the South Carolina job too. Not good there.

2 Things:
1. South Carolina is not a pressure cooker program (or at least it wasn't when he went there).

2. He made that program so much better than it was previously. He would qualify as a success not a failure.

In the 15 years before Spurrier, they went to 3 bowl games. He took them to 9 bowl games and led them to 11 wins 3 times.

ETA: I agree with you about Holtz though.


ETA: Spurrier led S.C. to 3 straight 11 win seasons, we only dream of that now.

Not that Holtz won huge at SC but that program was pretty terrible for just about it's entire existence by major conference standards...

If I remember right SC had only one bowl win in it's entire history before Holtz took over and he won back to back bowl games against tOSU... no small feat considering the circumstance, I think it can be said that he did a wonderful job of setting the program up for the success Spurrier had directly afterwards...

 

[pkt77242]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_Carolina_Gamecocks_football_seasons

Here is their history. Yuck.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Tressel or Herman are my top two.

Tressel could handle the pressure and media like a champ.

Herman is young and enthusiastic, all things that I hear is that he and Urban are super tight, it would be a matter of what kind of endorsement Urban would give us.

 

[BeatSC]

Can you name many (or even any) that failed? I am struggling to think of a 60+ coach who took a high profile job. Usually a coach that is 60+ doesn't change jobs, so I disagree with your premise just because it doesn't really happen, so we don't have enough (or even any) data to come to a conclusion.

Pete Carroll with Seattle!