Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[stlnd01]

I think Fleck has to be the guy. What do we have to lose?

Oh, three or four years wandering in the wilderness.

 

[arrowryan]

I think Fleck has to be the guy. What do we have to lose?

Well, they are doing a $800 million stadium renovation and it would be wise to keep their donors happy so I would say they have a lot to lose. They need to make the right hire and if they think PJ Fleck needs a stint at a school like Virginia then I can respect that.

 

[arrowryan]

Why hasn't Chris Peterson been brought up at all? He one a lot at Boise and is doing really well at UW. Plus, he has a past relationship with Sanford.

Other than Herman, Peterson would probably be at the top of my list.

 

[stlnd01]

At this point there are issues that go well beyond wins and losses. The Kelly regime has been marked by annual academic suspensions, arrests, and now probation and vacating wins for 2012 and 2013. Kelly may not be personally responsible for all of these issues, but it is hard to question the fact that he has lost control of the program and the university's reputation has suffered as a result.

It is time to cut ties with Kelly. The first priorities are to re-establish control of the program and to re-establish the university's reputation as a beacon of honor and integrity. That cannot happen with Kelly remaining as coach.

I support the hiring of someone like Charlie Strong as our next coach, someone that will clean house and demand that things be done the right way. Charlie can bring in an innovative offense coordinator or Mike Sanford can stay on as offensive coordinator. The main goal of the next two to three year period should be to clean up the program. I will judge the first season a success if we can go through one year without academic suspensions or arrests. The talent is there to win, but it could be even better in two or three years under an energetic staff that is willing to recruit aggressively and demand that things be done the right way.

You are aware that academic suspensions are a sign that Notre Dame is actually in control of its program, right?
I mean, yes, it sucked that Everett Golson sat for a season because he got caught cheating, and that various players have lost eligibility because they couldn't keep their grades up. But that's because the university has standards and enforces them, unlike many of its peers.
Kelly, to his credit, has never once whined about this. He has always embraced the high bar that Notre Dame sets. This was not the case for at least two of his three predecessors.
As for the idea Kelly has "lost control of the program," I'm sorry, but I just don't see it. The Frozen Five thing happened two years ago and no one in 2015 would have said Kelly had "lost control." All that happened this week was that the NCAA threw the book at us over it, for reasons that are unclear.
Oh, and we lost a bunch of close games. I think that's what people are really upset about.

 

[irishff1014]

Why hasn't Chris Peterson been brought up at all? He one a lot at Boise and is doing really well at UW. Plus, he has a past relationship with Sanford.

Other than Herman, Peterson would probably be at the top of my list.

He has been brought up. UW is working on a contract extension for him plus it has been reported that he is a west coast guy and doesn't want to leave.

 

[NDbrbkny]

Peterson wants to stay on the West Coast so i'd cross him out

not for nothing who are some coaches who you would consider upholders of intergity besides Richt and Charlie Strong?

 

[NDisme]

Really? Why? Because there isn't one that jumps out right now? We're still a good step up from most P5 programs. I think we could have our pick of a lot of quality coaches. I can think of five off the top of my head I'd take over someone whose sum of college football experience outside the MAC amounts to a GA stint at Ohio State and a couple years coaching receivers at Rutgers. (I know he assistant'd in the NFL but that's a totally different job).

The off-field pressures of life at Notre Dame are a big deal, and can be a huge distraction if you're not comfortable with them. Kelly, like him or not, is actually really good at handling that stuff. Fleck? I think his act would wear thin right quick. And then what have you got? A guy who's never recruited at our level or coached against the sort of competition we play every week. I'm not sold.[/

Of all the names I've heard I would bet most if not all don't have a desire to coach here. And a big time D.C. Hire is a band aid. This program has a culture problem. They are so soft it's pathetic and there is zero passion. Kelly is good at handeling that stuff? He has had more academic issues, arrests and suspensions than any coach I remember at ND and if you saw the last press conference when the vacated wins came up he sounded like an ass again deflecting all blame, which is funny because he has said he is like a CEO in running this program. Well a CEO would have been fired by now.

 

[Irishize]

Oh, three or four years wandering in the wilderness.

Considering the last 20 years, that's a drop in the bucket

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Home run higher...John Gruden...one can dream


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[BGIF]

Home run higher...John Gruden...one can dream


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IT'S GRUDEN!

NDNations's Dewey Beats Truman headline.

 

[phork]

Really? Why? Because there isn't one that jumps out right now? We're still a good step up from most P5 programs. I think we could have our pick of a lot of quality coaches. I can think of five off the top of my head I'd take over someone whose sum of college football experience outside the MAC amounts to a GA stint at Ohio State and a couple years coaching receivers at Rutgers. (I know he assistant'd in the NFL but that's a totally different job).

The off-field pressures of life at Notre Dame are a big deal, and can be a huge distraction if you're not comfortable with them. Kelly, like him or not, is actually really good at handling that stuff. Fleck? I think his act would wear thin right quick. And then what have you got? A guy who's never recruited at our level or coached against the sort of competition we play every week. I'm not sold.

Can you give me a Top5 that would actually want to come to ND?

Oh, three or four years wandering in the wilderness.

We've waited almost 30 years, whats 3 or 4 more?

Well, they are doing a $800 million stadium renovation and it would be wise to keep their donors happy so I would say they have a lot to lose. They need to make the right hire and if they think PJ Fleck needs a stint at a school like Virginia then I can respect that.

So lets not proactive and maybe catch the next big thing before it gets too big where ND is no longer an option. ND has to think out of the box here.

To me the names bandied about are nothing more than pipe dreams. Realistically, especially after this incident, its going to be damn near impossible to get a coach who is going to get this program running the right course. Why in God's name would anyone come to ND and have to deal with this bullshit year in and out when you can take an easier path? Frankly I don't think that there is one person who wants this challenge that has a proven track record of success. It is time to look in the mirror and decide just what it is we are looking for from this program. We aren't winning a national championship any time soon.
The last 2 seasons we have witnessed Michigan (with mostly Hokes kids) go from 5-7 to title contenders. We all laughed at USC when they took the interim tag off Helton and thought it would be easy peasy here on out. Washington finally emerged out of the heaping smoldering corpse of the Willingham nightmare. The stories go on and on.

While Kelly has certainly been the best hire since Holtz left, he leaves a lot to be desired and in year 7 having a record of 4-7 and soon to be 4-8 is mind numbingly unimaginable.

You can all poke fun of the MAC as much as you like. Saban coached Toledo before heading to MSU, Meyer coached Bowling Green. Not to mention the laundry list of past years coaches who came from there. Fleck has turned a 1-11 team into possible NewYears Six bowl participants. He has beaten Northwestern and Illinois. I am all in on this guy for several reasons. First he can be had for cheap (in this moment). Secondly he is insanely positive. Third he is a youngster compared to our last few hires and would breath energy into the program.

Is it a gamble? Hell yes it is. But we have nothing left in the tank. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain. So in my opinion you either hold on to Kelly or, once USC jail sexes us with a penis size unknown to mankind, you row the boat to Kalamazoo and do the business.

 

[arahop]

Oh, three or four years wandering in the wilderness.

Yeah we have been wandering in the wilderness for over 25 years now

 

[BGIF]

Yeah we have been wandering in the wilderness for over 25 years now

15 years to go.

Some of us aren't going to make it to the Promised Land.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Personally I don't think Fleck is the answer for ND. While he has had success this far in his coaching career, the off the field personal issues should cause concern. ND needs a coach who is chasing championships.... not women.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Personally I don't think Fleck is the answer for ND. While he has had success this far in his coaching career, the off the field personal issues should cause concern. ND needs a coach who is chasing championships.... not women.

Agreed. He'll never get passed the vetting process. He's young, former NFL player and is thus far having success. He's not gonna give up the side pieces just yet. ND will be having non of that.

 

[IrishLax]

The "off the field" issues thing is horseshit. We're talking about message board rumors, not Petrino or Briles or Paterno.

 

[T Town Tommy]

The "off the field" issues thing is horseshit. We're talking about message board rumors, not Petrino or Briles or Paterno.

A lot of the info on the three you mentioned came from the "rumor" mill, message boards, etc. While I don't know if Flecks extra curricular activities are true or false, I am sure ND would fully vet him if he becomes a serious candidate at some point in the future. But summarily dismissing it as horse**** isnt wise either.

 

[IrishLax]

A lot of the info on the three you mentioned came from the "rumor" mill, message boards, etc. While I don't know if Flecks extra curricular activities are true or false, I am sure ND would fully vet him if he becomes a serious candidate at some point in the future. But summarily dismissing it as horse**** isnt wise either.

My point is that the message board rumors actually resulted in a lawsuit that ended with with every. single. person. who started the rumors apologizing and retracting their statements. They got sued for libel and lost. So it's hard to put value in such statements, no?

 

[T Town Tommy]

My point is that the message board rumors actually resulted in a lawsuit that ended with with every. single. person. who started the rumors apologizing and retracting their statements. They got sued for libel and lost. So it's hard to put value in such statements, no?

I agree one has to take much of what they read with a grain of salt. And more times than not the info posted is not true, inaccurate, or simply hatchet jobs. With that said, I do think Fleck would have a difficult time getting through the process at ND... rumors out not. Fair? No. Reality? Yes.

 

[phork]

A lot of the info on the three you mentioned came from the "rumor" mill, message boards, etc. While I don't know if Flecks extra curricular activities are true or false, I am sure ND would fully vet him if he becomes a serious candidate at some point in the future. But summarily dismissing it as horse**** isnt wise either.

I am fairly certain that those 3 mentioned aren't just rumours. I can't vouch for Fleck and frankly I don't give a rats ass.

 

[BobbyMac]

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[irishff1014]

Herman's squad is losing again.

 

[calvegas04]

Why hasn't Chris Peterson been brought up at all? He one a lot at Boise and is doing really well at UW. Plus, he has a past relationship with Sanford.

Other than Herman, Peterson would probably be at the top of my list.

I would want Peterson more than Herman but everyone is under the impression that Peterson won't leave the NW

 

[texbender]

Yeah we have been wandering in the wilderness for over 25 years now

Just like Moses, and it worked out for him!

 

[ND NYC]

if Kelly goes, do we still stick with the "the next ND HC needs college head coaching experience at the fbs level" mantra?

IMO this is way too limiting now and in the future...but respect opinions who feel otherwise.

 

[BobbyMac]

if Kelly goes, do we still stick with the "the next ND HC needs college head coaching experience at the fbs level" mantra?

IMO this is way too limiting now and in the future...but respect opinions who feel otherwise.

Supposedly from the uber-booster that I know, one of the prerequisites is HC experience. Meaning no more Bob Davies or Charlies.

That's too bad, because I think Brett Venables would take the job instead of waiting on Saban and Stoops to retire. (Assuming he knows K State is giving the HC job to Snyder Jr when Dad leaves)

 

[Irishize]

Supposedly from the uber-booster that I know, one of the prerequisites is HC experience. Meaning no more Bob Davies or Charlies.

That's too bad, because I think Brett Venables would take the job instead of waiting on Saban and Stoops to retire. (Assuming he knows K State is giving the HC job to Snyder Jr when Dad leaves)

I'm not saying DCs like Venables or Kirby Smart can't be great HCs, but I believe they're bigger gambles than guys like Fleck, Ruhle or MacIntyre who have showed they can win at mid-majors or that they can rebuild a once dormant P5 program.

When has Venables or Smart ever had to coach w/o the benefit of 4/5-star blue chips at their disposal? They've had the benefit of "plug & play" their entire career.

 

[ThePiombino]

Personally I don't think Fleck is the answer for ND. While he has had success this far in his coaching career, the off the field personal issues should cause concern. ND needs a coach who is chasing championships.... not women.

Why not a man who can do both

 

[stlnd01]

Can you give me a Top5 that would actually want to come to ND?



We've waited almost 30 years, whats 3 or 4 more?



So lets not proactive and maybe catch the next big thing before it gets too big where ND is no longer an option. ND has to think out of the box here.



Is it a gamble? Hell yes it is. But we have nothing left in the tank. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain. So in my opinion you either hold on to Kelly or, once USC jail sexes us with a penis size unknown to mankind, you row the boat to Kalamazoo and do the business.

For the record, I'm not opposed to keeping BK for another year, paired with a strong DC. But if he's done, he's done. Either way, Notre Dame is not a training wheels job, and I'm not so convinced that a couple good years at Western Michigan is sufficient preparation.
As for who we might be able to get, you don't know who will or won't come here until you start asking them, but here's five gettable HCs I'd take over Fleck. In no particular order.

Chryst
Narduzzi
Dan Mullen
Kyle Whittingham
Ken N from Navy
Charlie Strong (Bonus. Six!)

All are experienced, proven head coaches. None seem like such a reach.

 

[Kingbish01]

If Ken from Navy would be named the coach, I'd be heartbroken. I have a hard enough time watching them once a year. 12 games of triple option...shoot me now.