What would you do?

[Rocket's Rocket Fan]

In light of everything that is going on at POSu, I got to thinking about this today.

Lets put ourselves in their place. Say Coach Kelly has done everything that Tressel has done, and now this comes out, and its happening at ND.

What do you guys think should happen to BK?

I think I would want him out, since that is clearly not the ND way of doing things.

 

[military_irish]

I don't know what Should happen but I know what Would happen, he'd be fired. I mean ND fired O'Leary for lying on his resume, so If Kelly lied about something that included sanctions, he would most definitely be gone.

 

[BGIF]

... ND fired O'Leary for lying on his resume, ...

Leadership starts at the top.

 

[mgriff]

It's the crux of having higher standards. Most people aren't even considering firing Tressel, they are just worried about how long he'll be out, or how much trouble they'll get in. I don't know if BK should be fired for this, I'll leave that up to the university, but I expect our coaches to represent ND through their adherence to high standards and compliance.

 

[phork]

Err its a no brainer. 357 NCAA violations. Murdered player, players dismissed, arrested etc. THREE HUNDRED & FIFTY SIX violations. Think about that.

His *** would be fired.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Sadly success is the strongest factor in if a guy will be axed or not in situations like this. If Tressel wasn't as ssuccessful as he has been, tOSU would have kicked him to the curb immediately.

*Success gives you a higher tolerance for BS and riff-raff

 

[rikkitikki08]

Brian kelly is not cheating nor is the university, but if that ever came out i would be heart broken in all honesty

 

[irishpat183]

It would never get to that point with Kelly. He wouldn't have lied to the NCAA and you can bet your a$$ that those guys probably would've been thrown off the team after Kelly found out.

Although I never went to ND, one of the reasons that I continue to be a fan is that they do things the right way. I'm down in Big12/SEC country and all I hear is about how ND sucks and how they can't compete...etc. Well, looks like it's all coming back on them. Meanwhile, we continue to get stronger by building a foundation that doesn't consist of recruiting convicts or paying families to have their son come here. It's that instant gradification attitude that is landing all these programs in hot water. Win now, win big and leave the program in rubble when you get fired for violations.

We are on our way back. And they can't stand it. Go Irish.

 

[irish1958]

Fr. Hesburg told Holtz that he would be gone for any violation when he hired him. I suspect that all coaches get this advice when they come to ND.
Reportedly Stoops turned down the ND job when he was told that student discipline would be handled by the University's student affairs and not the athletic department.

 

[NankerPhelge]

I would hang my head in vicarious shame. Then I would have a drink.

 

[IrishLax]

If BK lied to the NCAA and there was a termination clause in his contract like Tressel he'd be fired. The end.

 

[dshans]

Were Kelly – or any other ND coach – be so stupid as to act this way and the administration be so foolhardy as to pass it off as a "boys will be boys" situation, I would:
1) Stop watching the games,
2) Stop donating
3) Stop wearing my ND Alumni Cap
4) Stop mentioning (casually & tactfully – unless dealing with a USC or MI grad) that I'm an ND alum.

"What though the odds be great or small, Old Notre Dame (with heads held high), will win overall ..."

 

[IrishBlood81]

I hope we never have to find out and I really don't think we will.

If it did happen, than I think you'd have to fire BK. Thats the standard of ND.

 

[RyCo1983]

BK would be gone in a moment's notice, and I'd be glad to see him go if he was guilty of anything remotely close to what Tressel's stay in Columbus has amounted to.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I can't even put us in their place. Of any coach in recent memory BK is the one I could never see cheating.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

All of the haters would argue that the Declan Sullivan tragedy would be on par with the garbage going on at these other schools, and the fact that BK is still around indicates that we are concerned with winning at a high cost as well.

Tressel knew there was cheating going on and did nothing. Kelly knew it was a windy day and did nothing to change the filming schedule. I don't think it is an apples-to-apples comparison at all, and I agree that Tressel is a dirtball and a hypocrite.

Objectively (not that I think anyone on this board can be), is Kelly's legacy tarnished the same way Pete the Cheat, Lame, or Sweater Vest and DickRod are? If it were determined that BK has EVER made a decision at any of his coaching assigments regarding filming in inclement weather, should he be held culpbable and punished accordingly? We appear to be looking through irish-green tinted glasses at this situation.

I am NOT a proponent of firing Brian Kelly, we just have to tread lightly publicly when our program is also under significant scrutiny.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

All of the haters would argue that the Declan Sullivan tragedy would be on par with the garbage going on at these other schools

WRONG

 

[IrishAlum1997]

WRONG

I'm not wrong, if that's what you are saying. As the next paragraph in my post states, that tragedy has nothing to do with cheating and deliberately breaking rules/concealing information. CAPS seem a bit confrontational, homeboy.

I agree with you if you are saying the issues are not the same, they are not. But Notre Dame haters will have you believe that the transgressions are comparable in that if Tressel is suspended for knowing his players were selling jock straps, the punishment should be more severe for a coach who some people see as directly culpapable for the death of a human being through the function of his role as the head football coach.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I know what you said. But I'm not your homie. lol.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

And you call your first sentence in your post "treading lightly?" Then you call me "homeboy" and call me confrontative? C'mon my good friend, you know better than that.

This is a thread about (what I consider) a minor issue. Kids get a tattoo. Sell a shirt. And we are trying to add to the non problem. (That is just me buddy...I can't see it...) To even bring up the tragedy, sorry my friend - I know what you were saying - I guess it is just me, but it bothers me. My thought is to let the family heal, praise God for the gift his family brought the world, and let those who have a better idea take care of the situation, before we indicate judgement on a forum. I know you were not doing that my friend.

You know I respect what you say. But I'm not your homie.

Didn't realize homeboy had a negative connotation, my furry friend. Apologies if construed that way.

And I was simply posing a question to elicit response. ND fans have a "holier than thou" reputation, warranted or not so. There are many in the general population as well as the media (cough...chicago tribune...cough), that think the issues are relatable. We are quick to casitgate Tressel (myself included), but quick to defend when our coach's integrity and decision making is questioned. To the uninsightful masses, we appear hypocritical.

Just a perspective.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Didn't realize homeboy had a negative connotation, my furry friend. Apologies if construed that way.

And I was simply posing a question to elicit response. ND fans have a "holier than thou" reputation, warranted or not so. There are many in the general population as well as the media (cough...chicago tribune...cough), that think the issues are relatable. We are quick to casitgate Tressel (myself included), but quick to defend when our coach's integrity and decision making is questioned. To the uninsightful masses, we appear hypocritical.

Just a perspective.

Yeah, but now you have to go back and edit your quote of my quote, cuz I edited my quote. LOL.

 

[GreatGolson]

IMO the boys upstairs would give him MAYBE one pass if it was a very very minor violation, (too many phone calls to recruits ect..) but anything like this let alone LYING to the NCAA, his *** would be grass

 

[IrishBlood81]

Yeah, but now you have to go back and edit your quote of my quote, cuz I edited my quote. LOL.

I just thought that this had to be quoted lol

 

[WabashFalcon]

Except it isn't happening at ND. And won't. So why discuss it?

 

[twig21]

I would hang my head in vicarious shame. Then I would have a drink.

I would consume multiple drinks and then pray it was all a bad dream.

 

[irish1958]

Shame on ND

Shame on ND

All of the haters would argue that the Declan Sullivan tragedy would be on par with the garbage going on at these other schools, and the fact that BK is still around indicates that we are concerned with winning at a high cost as well.

I was not aware the Kelly had a clause underlined in his contract that if a gust of wind were to blow over a lift filming outdoor practice causing a fatality he would be immediately terminated.
So I guess this is the same as Tressel's transgression as Kelly must have broken his contract also; and ND's 350+ violations of NCAA rules is the same as Ohio State's.
Shame on ND.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

I was not aware the Kelly had a clause underlined in his contract that if a gust of wind were to blow over a lift filming outdoor practice causing a fatality he would be immediately terminated.
So I guess this is the same as Tressel's transgression as Kelly must have broken his contract also; and ND's 350+ violations of NCAA rules is the same as Ohio State's.
Shame on ND.

I agree that it is a ridiculous comparison. All I am saying is that if you look even casually in the internet universe, there are MANY (most that have great vitriol for ND), that compare the 2 situations similarly when discussing disciplinary action for Tressel, and the apparent lack thereof for Brian Kelly (REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT ANYTHING IS JUSTIFIED).

See the Steve Rosenbloom Chicago Tribune article. This no-brain logic is a reality.

 

[ACamp1900]

It happened to tOSU... so for now I'm lol'ing right in their trash talking, smug, little faces...

that's all I know right now...

 

[kmoose]

The coverage of this thing is just making me sick. Tressel's contention is that, if he had disciplined the players/brought the allegations to light, then he felt that he might be guilty of divulging the existence of/interfering with a Federal Investigation. I think that's a not so far-fetched line of thought. If the talking heads on radio had an ounce of integrity, they probably would have consulted some legal experts to find out if there was anything to this concern. So I'm going to ask any legal professionals that we might have, here on this site... If a citizen knowingly divulges the existence of an ongoing federal investigation (which I'm presuming to have been a secret, at least a secret from the target of said investigation), and the target discovers that they are being investigated, then investigation goes south......... are there any legal ramifications that can be brought to bear against said citizen? If so, does it matter whether they willingly divulged this information, as opposed to unwittingly doing so?

 

[irish1958]

Kmoose,
Good point
I am not an attorney (but I am a physician) but in the above case the proper response would be, "I consulted an attorney, the presiding judge and/or the federal agents making the investigation who told me I could not disclose this information to my university superiors."
As I understand it, ignorance of the law is not a defense.
When I have a legal situation, as say in a child abuse case, this is what I must do. As a matter of fact, this is what I did. I consulted the hospital attorney, the presiding judge in my county and in the county of the child's family to seek the proper legal course.