Weed & the American Family

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That wasn't the point of the quote in the article.

40% of pot smokers think it's okay for pregnant mothers to use pot, they use that quote as an example of that line of thinking... come on now, don't go proving Shapiro right.
 
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40% of pot smokers think it's okay for pregnant mothers to use pot, they use that quote as an example of that line of thinking... come on now, don't go proving Shapiro right.

I wonder what the percentage of alcohol drinkers think it's ok for a pregnant women to drink alcohol (a glass of wine or such).

I don't use any illegal drugs anymore (i get tested at work) but have no issue with weed. Drugs in general are interesting. I've had some of the funnest times in my life while drunk/stoned/tripping, etc... but now that I have kids I'm not 100% sure how I feel. I would honestly just prefer they never drink, smoke or take any drugs but that's probably not happening.

What approach will you stoners take with your kids regarding weed, alcohol, etc..?
 

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I wonder what the percentage of alcohol drinkers think it's ok for a pregnant women to drink alcohol (a glass of wine or such).

I don't use any illegal drugs anymore (i get tested at work) but have no issue with weed. Drugs in general are interesting. I've had some of the funnest times in my life while drunk/stoned/tripping, etc... but now that I have kids I'm not 100% sure how I feel. I would honestly just prefer they never drink, smoke or take any drugs but that's probably not happening.

What approach will you stoners take with your kids regarding weed, alcohol, etc..?
A pregnant woman drinking a glass of wine IS okay.

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I wonder what the percentage of alcohol drinkers think it's ok for a pregnant women to drink alcohol (a glass of wine or such).

I don't use any illegal drugs anymore (i get tested at work) but have no issue with weed. Drugs in general are interesting. I've had some of the funnest times in my life while drunk/stoned/tripping, etc... but now that I have kids I'm not 100% sure how I feel. I would honestly just prefer they never drink, smoke or take any drugs but that's probably not happening.

What approach will you stoners take with your kids regarding weed, alcohol, etc..?

A lot here, just me:

I'd be shocked if many, if any drinkers think it's ok in any real quantities,... if they do, they'd be wrong. I have no real issues w any of it either aside from harming others, typically through driving for example... the last question does not relate to me as I'm not a stoner but I like the idea of having a couple beers at family get togethers w my daughters when they're out on their own... honestly, my gut reaction is different w anything else... interesting.
 
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A pregnant woman drinking a glass of wine IS okay.

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There's no evidence of LOW doses of THC being bad either. Large amount of either can be harmful, but at least THC can be substituted for a worse drug like Zoloft or Ambien.
 

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I like the idea of having a couple beers at family get togethers w my daughters when they're out on their own... honestly, my gut reaction is different w anything else... interesting.

We get lit with fam on the holidays. Its a good time.

My gut is with you. Can't imagine passing a joint around. Different cultures though I'm sure based on background and such.
 

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I wonder what the percentage of alcohol drinkers think it's ok for a pregnant women to drink alcohol (a glass of wine or such).

I don't use any illegal drugs anymore (i get tested at work) but have no issue with weed. Drugs in general are interesting. I've had some of the funnest times in my life while drunk/stoned/tripping, etc... but now that I have kids I'm not 100% sure how I feel. I would honestly just prefer they never drink, smoke or take any drugs but that's probably not happening.

What approach will you stoners take with your kids regarding weed, alcohol, etc..?

I'll smoke with my daughter when she's an adult if she is into it, but I'll also respect her space if she isnt. I don't smoke in front of kids just like I wouldn't get blasted drunk in front of them either. But I have no issue with Melissa Etheridge smoking with her adult kids for instance.
 

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I'll smoke with my daughter when she's an adult if she is into it, but I'll also respect her space if she isnt. I don't smoke in front of kids just like I wouldn't get blasted drunk in front of them either. But I have no issue with Melissa Etheridge smoking with her adult kids for instance.

One of my fondest memories is passing a joint with my parents during a Pink Floyd concert in 94'.
 
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One of my fondest memories is passing a joint with my parents during a Pink Floyd concert in 94'.

They played Death Valley in Clemson that tour. I was trippin balls. Amazing. I saw my own birth.
 
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Pot use as in smoking it???

Any way really..... Edibles are by far more effective than smoking. The placenta stops some of the active componets but still gets to the baby. I dont like this because of development issues during in utero development but there isnt hard evidence one way or the other.
 
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They played Death Valley in Clemson that tour. I was trippin balls. Amazing. I saw my own birth.

When I saw them, all I saw was Rack Em's mom's vagina. I was too high to tell if he was coming out of it though.
 

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A pregnant woman drinking a glass of wine IS okay.

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There's no evidence of LOW doses of THC being bad either. Large amount of either can be harmful, but at least THC can be substituted for a worse drug like Zoloft or Ambien.

If my wife was pregnant, she wouldn't be doing either. There are countless studies that show it's okay and those that say it's harmful regardless of the quantity. While alcohol and weed typically have the same affect, not everyone is affected to the same degree. No need to risk it.
 

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Take this FWIW:

When a woman smokes regular cigarettes and is pregnant, sonograms will show the fetus cease activity (sort of "freeze" whereas it had been moving about before.) Every bioscientist that I've heard thinks that this is because of blood vessel constriction lowering the flow through the umbilical cord, and thereby depriving the fetus of normal oxygen quantities.

Because THC is a more powerful blood vessel constrictor than nicotine, one could be forgiven for deducing that it's effect on the umbilical cord's ability to provide oxygen was at least as bad if not significantly worse.

One can choose to ignore this, of course. (I could make bad jokes here about conspiracies against pot or rigged evidence, but I believe that this is VERY serious information.) If I had anything to do with a woman's decision to smoke pot while pregnant, or my own smoking around her, I would consider the "It's probably OK" position a fundamentally immoral "experiment on the fetus."
 

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If my wife was pregnant, she wouldn't be doing either. There are countless studies that show it's okay and those that say it's harmful regardless of the quantity. While alcohol and weed typically have the same affect, not everyone is affected to the same degree. No need to risk it.
My wife doesn't drink or smoke regardless of whether she's pregnant or not, so it's a non-issue for me. But what you're describing is fear-mongering. A single 5oz serving of wine once a week has literally zero adverse impact on a pregnancy. None whatsoever. The reason the literature is so adamant about "no alcohol" is because stupid people would read "some alcohol is okay" as an excuse to drink to actual dangerous levels.

Regarding pot while pregnant, I'd be much more concerned with smoking than other forms of ingestion.
 

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As to smoking pot vs other intakes methods: science can't prove the following (because we cannot shrink down and ride around on the molecular level), but the impact upon the blood vessels doesn't occur because somebody sucked smoke into their lungs, it occurs because the active ingredients get into the blood.

It's the blood which delivers them to the brain and everywhere else, including the umbilical cord. THC ingested must have the exact same route to the brain and the rest of the body, so how it's ingested makes no difference on this particular point (impact on the blood vessels.)

The difference would only be as to the amount of active drug that was available cruising around in the blood. If ingested THC gives more THC, then its impacts will be greater --- and everyone knows that due to what they are really trying to get out of the experience, i.e. the "high."
 

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My wife doesn't drink or smoke regardless of whether she's pregnant or not, so it's a non-issue for me. But what you're describing is fear-mongering. A single 5oz serving of wine once a week has literally zero adverse impact on a pregnancy. None whatsoever. The reason the literature is so adamant about "no alcohol" is because stupid people would read "some alcohol is okay" as an excuse to drink to actual dangerous levels.

Regarding pot while pregnant, I'd be much more concerned with smoking than other forms of ingestion.

Aren't you doing the same fear mongering here with weed? Do you have any studies showing that low use of marijuana (let's say an occasional hit or bite of an edible) has negative impact on a fetus? I would argue that studies show the opposite. Obviously it's not good if a pregnant woman did bong hits every day, but there are reasonable uses for it on a limited basis. For instance, it's irresponsible to take Zoloft while pregnant. It's a medically supported fact. So if a woman chose to occasionally ingest a small amount of THC via a candy or something, I see no issue with that. Seems trivial to villanize her for taking the more responsible choice for her baby in regards to managing her anxiety.

Don't get me wrong. I totally get why it's taboo to think about. I wouldn't my wife doing it or limited alcohol, but that doesn't mean that facts back it up.
 

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Take this FWIW:

When a woman smokes regular cigarettes and is pregnant, sonograms will show the fetus cease activity (sort of "freeze" whereas it had been moving about before.) Every bioscientist that I've heard thinks that this is because of blood vessel constriction lowering the flow through the umbilical cord, and thereby depriving the fetus of normal oxygen quantities.

Because THC is a more powerful blood vessel constrictor than nicotine, one could be forgiven for deducing that it's effect on the umbilical cord's ability to provide oxygen was at least as bad if not significantly worse.

One can choose to ignore this, of course. (I could make bad jokes here about conspiracies against pot or rigged evidence, but I believe that this is VERY serious information.) If I had anything to do with a woman's decision to smoke pot while pregnant, or my own smoking around her, I would consider the "It's probably OK" position a fundamentally immoral "experiment on the fetus."

I have bolded the most important in all of this. They dont "know".

Cigarettes are most def. proven to be far worse on the human body than marijuana.

I dont know if you have had a chance to read the Jamacia study on pregnant women, but it paints a far different picture.

However, as it is near impossible to have proper controls around tests with women during their pregnancy (as no woman would risk their pregnancy in the name of science), mankind may never truly know the actual affects any substances (food, drugs, liquids, etc) really have on a fetus.

I don't think anyone is recommending getting high throughout a pregnancy, but I think someone who does enough research can conclude that it may not be any better/worse for the fetus than taking some of the Rx's given to women to combat complications that cannabis could also treat.

As to smoking pot vs other intakes methods: science can't prove the following (because we cannot shrink down and ride around on the molecular level), but the impact upon the blood vessels doesn't occur because somebody sucked smoke into their lungs, it occurs because the active ingredients get into the blood.

It's the blood which delivers them to the brain and everywhere else, including the umbilical cord. THC ingested must have the exact same route to the brain and the rest of the body, so how it's ingested makes no difference on this particular point (impact on the blood vessels.)

The difference would only be as to the amount of active drug that was available cruising around in the blood. If ingested THC gives more THC, then its impacts will be greater --- and everyone knows that due to what they are really trying to get out of the experience, i.e. the "high."

as to this, there are many extracts within cannabis that can be given that does not produce the "high".

As far as pregnant woman, I would imagine they arent out "searching" for the high experience unless they were already a regular user. They would only want the side effects of no nausea, relaxing, etc. to aid in their pregnancy.
 
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I have bolded the most important in all of this. They dont "know".

Cigarettes are most def. proven to be far worse on the human body than marijuana.

I dont know if you have had a chance to read the Jamacia study on pregnant women, but it paints a far different picture.

However, as it is near impossible to have proper controls around tests with women during their pregnancy (as no woman would risk their pregnancy in the name of science), mankind may never truly know the actual affects any substances (food, drugs, liquids, etc) really have on a fetus.

I don't think anyone is recommending getting high throughout a pregnancy, but I think someone who does enough research can conclude that it may not be any better/worse for the fetus than taking some of the Rx's given to women to combat complications that cannabis could also treat.



as to this, there are many extracts within cannabis that can be given that does not produce the "high".

As far as pregnant woman, I would imagine they arent out "searching" for the high experience unless they were already a regular user. They would only want the side effects of no nausea, relaxing, etc. to aid in their pregnancy.
CBD is currently making a name for itself in the market for treating many many issues.

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Colorado passed the $1 billion mark in tax revenue.

Where does Colorado’s marijuana tax money go? The state made a flow chart to answer the $1 billion question
Colorado's $6.5 billion cannabis industry now has almost 3,000 licensed marijuana businesses and more than 40,000 people who are licensed to work in them


But growers and dealers still cannot put their profits in a bank.

Despite State Support, Marijuana Banking Bill May Sink Again in Congress

Many state leaders are hoping the fourth time’s the charm for a federal bill that would protect banks from being penalized for serving licensed cannabis businesses. Many banks are reluctant to work with marijuana businesses or people in the industry because federal law says the plant is a dangerous drug.

Seventeen state treasurers and attorneys general from 34 states and four U.S. territories back the Secure and Fair Enforcement Banking Act, authored by U.S. Rep. Ed Perlmutter, Democrat of Colorado. They argue that under current law, licensed marijuana businesses are pushed out of the banking system, leaving them dependent on cash, a target for crime and harder to tax and regulate.

The National Association of State Treasurers also has called for law changes, and the Michigan House last week adopted a resolution asking Congress to pass Perlmutter’s banking bill....
 

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If they get the federal bill passed, the floodgates will be open. I'm conflicted because I think responsible use should be up to the individual but there is still so little we know about the dangers of long term use, excessive use with high THC and the potential correlation with rising schizophrenia levels.

I very much like marijuana. I'm attracted to it's effects but I'm uncertain if it's because I abused it so much in my developmental years that my body wants the exogenous cannabinoids or if I'm just biologically wired to enjoy it more than say, a beer.

Schizophrenia scares me because we had a couple friends who've gone schizophrenic and I don't know if it was an underlying disposition lurking beneath the surface. And if so, was it triggered by excessive cannabinoids or would it've come on anyway?

Lots of questions remain but if we're all in a hurry to use THC freely, then I suppose we're offering ourselves as the incubation chambers. Another 20-30 years after it's federally legal should give us plenty of data to sift through.
 

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If they get the federal bill passed, the floodgates will be open. I'm conflicted because I think responsible use should be up to the individual but there is still so little we know about the dangers of long term use, excessive use with high THC and the potential correlation with rising schizophrenia levels.

I very much like marijuana. I'm attracted to it's effects but I'm uncertain if it's because I abused it so much in my developmental years that my body wants the exogenous cannabinoids or if I'm just biologically wired to enjoy it more than say, a beer.

Schizophrenia scares me because we had a couple friends who've gone schizophrenic and I don't know if it was an underlying disposition lurking beneath the surface. And if so, was it triggered by excessive cannabinoids or would it've come on anyway?

Lots of questions remain but if we're all in a hurry to use THC freely, then I suppose we're offering ourselves as the incubation chambers. Another 20-30 years after it's federally legal should give us plenty of data to sift through.

Not sure how old you are VDP, but I was in my teens and early 20's during the hippy years and the push to make it legal was going on back then. I think there have been plenty of studies conducted over the years, but more tests wouldn't hurt as the THC levels in today's pot appears to be considerably more than back then.

As far as schizophrenia, I have no idea if weed causes it or exasperates it. My hunch is the issue is already there and weed just alters the brain to allow it to become more exposed.

I was a light user, maybe a joint once a week or two, but wasn't sure if it should be legalized. Today I'm all for it. Booze and smokes are legal and have health effects, so why not weed? The tax revenue as Colorado is finding out is wonderful.
 
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