Weed & the American Family

NDdomer2 · Apr 18, 2017

phork · Apr 18, 2017

Legal in Canada in 2018!

dshans · Apr 18, 2017

NDdomer2 said:
Yahoo is doing a series of stories/studies/videos about marijuana in the american culture.
Specifically how it has changed over time, how it can affect the family relationships,
etc. As this topic can be related to many different "sub-topics"
(healthcare, politics, drug abuse, mental health, etc)
I thought it would be good to link the stories as well as start some conversations.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/weed-hits-home-new-yahoo-newsmarist-poll-parents-children-surprisingly-open-pot-use-091457209.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/buying-weed-grandpa-093128977.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/4-year-old-done-drugs-anyone-know-095149048.html

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrBT7i7S_ZYmisAfJxXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyNzZqYTkzBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDQjMxMzVfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1492565051/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.yahoo.com%2fnews%2fcannabis-advocate-melissa-etheridge-id-much-rather-smoke-grown-kids-drink-091952114.html/RK=0/RS=XK01xYVxZm5kT0lYjBMu2iqySdY-

An interesting can of worms to open.

An interesting kettle of fish to stir.

Perhaps some long absent posters will crawl out of the weeds, so to speak.

I toked my first toke during the summer after I'd graduated from High School (you see what I did there – tee-hee) in 1970. I did a good deal of research. I was with my older brother and people we had both worked with.

I judiciously partook until the middle of my junior year at ND. That's when I realized that vegging out and snoozing on the couch when among friends was not what I had in mind. What was initially a social interaction became an anti-social barrier. It was time to move along.

I'm not about to tell you that I've not taken a hit from a doobie or a pipe passed my way since then, but the thrill is definitely gone. It became a running joke with college buds and others when I frequented the New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival that I'd smoke a bit during a lull in the action, settle back and take a bit of a nap. Bets were placed (the fair grounds are also a race track, after all) on how long it would take me to STFU and for how long I'd be in Dreamland.

There's no real point to my little story. I'm just trying to get the thread off the ground with a little anecdote.

I haven't been to Jazz Fest since 2006, so I've been pretty much weed free since then. No Roundup was used in the process.

I would like to see more studies done on the medicinal use and efficacy of marijuana. I would like to see it decriminalized for recreational use.

I would also like to see hemp grown freely for its use as a sustainable fiber.

My younger sister was lost to idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis in 2011. My brother was recently diagnosed with the same damn thing and is resolved to the fact that the next few months are his farewell tour. My twin sister has been diagnosed with early onset Alzheimers. If I knew that a distilled version of THC would be of any help to them, I'd be on the corner with a wad of cash in seconds flat.

As for you folks, I'm still relatively healthy – in spite of it all, so you'll have this Dick to kick around for a while longer.

fightingirish26 · Apr 18, 2017

Well I like weed, my American family sure doesn't tho

Whiskeyjack · Apr 18, 2017

dshans said:
I judiciously partook until the middle of my junior year at ND. That's when I realized that vegging out and snoozing on the couch when among friends was not what I had in mind. What was initially a social interaction became an anti-social barrier. It was time to move along.

You surprise me, Dick. Not the take I would have expected from you.

NDdomer2 · Apr 18, 2017

phork said:
Legal in Canada in 2018!

I have not had a chance to read up on this much. Is it legal for sale and use or just use?

I know in DC (currently working here at the moment), recreational use/personal growing is permitted but there are no dispensaries that sell for recreational, only medicinal.

Wasn't sure if Canada was like Colorado in allowing full sale and use or if their laws have any unique provisions.

wizards8507 · Apr 18, 2017

I'm very much pro-legalization but the desire to do drugs is the most foreign concept to me.

dshans · Apr 18, 2017

Whiskeyjack said:
You surprise me, Dick. Not the take I would have expected from you.

Life is full of surprises.

Some good.

Some not so good.

And some shitty as hell.

IrishLax · Apr 18, 2017

NDdomer2 said:
Yahoo is doing a series of stories/studies/videos about marijuana in the american culture.
Specifically how it has changed over time, how it can affect the family relationships,
etc. As this topic can be related to many different "sub-topics"
(healthcare, politics, drug abuse, mental health, etc)
I thought it would be good to link the stories as well as start some conversations.

Also, if anyone here has, or knows someone who has, had to use cannabis for legitimate medicinal use I would love to hear about it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/weed-hits-home-new-yahoo-newsmarist-poll-parents-children-surprisingly-open-pot-use-091457209.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/buying-weed-grandpa-093128977.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/4-year-old-done-drugs-anyone-know-095149048.html

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrBT7i7S_ZYmisAfJxXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyNzZqYTkzBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDQjMxMzVfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1492565051/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.yahoo.com%2fnews%2fcannabis-advocate-melissa-etheridge-id-much-rather-smoke-grown-kids-drink-091952114.html/RK=0/RS=XK01xYVxZm5kT0lYjBMu2iqySdY-

My wife's grandmother has (now terminal) cancer. Marijuana worked great for her... though she eventually went on prescribed opiates (morphine, etc.) which I honestly don't understand how that's mainstream/accepted and weed isn't. Opiates are basically heroine, and for people who are on a constant regime of them to manage chronic pain it's not good. When she stopped taking them after an extended period of use she went into withdrawls and almost died.

Drugs are a weird thing. I take no medication unless I absolutely have to. I'm talking about minor over-the-counter stuff like Aleve, too. Just don't like putting those kind of substances in my body. When I was prescribed Percocet after my shoulder surgery in college I took one and never another because it made me feel weird AF. Just decided to deal with the pain as is. Like any good lacrosse player, I've smoked my fair share of weed as a social thing. I stopped after my freshman year at ND because someone I knew got in serious trouble and I didn't think it was worth the risk. Since then I've come to the conclusion that it's not any worse than drinking, and I think it should be culturally acceptable... I just (personally) won't partake. I look forward to checking out this Yahoo feature when I have time and seeing what conclusions they come to, thank you for posting.

woolybug25 · Apr 18, 2017

wizards8507 said:
I'm very much pro-legalization but the desire to do drugs is the most foreign concept to me.

Don't you have a desire to get boozed up on microbrews? I see marijuana the same way. Some people may like bourbon, some beer, some weed. All buzzes of different feathers.

ACamp1900 · Apr 18, 2017

IrishLax said:
Like any good lacrosse player, I've smoked my fair share of weed as a social thing.

This made me chuckle... I've tried it, I never liked the legality issue for one and honestly the feeling, for me, was way more 'out of control' than drinking... I'm sure it hits people differently but when I hear people say they more aware and in control on weed than when they are drinking I can't help but pull the old:

to each there own, it's def not my thing.

woolybug25 · Apr 18, 2017

ACamp1900 said:
This made me chuckle... I've tried it, I never liked the legality issue for one and honestly the feeling, for me, was way more 'out of control' than drinking... I'm sure it hits people differently but when I hear people say they more aware and in control on weed than when they are drinking I can't help but pull the old:

to each there own, it's def not my thing.

You felt more "out of control" as in you couldn't control the high as well as drinking? Did you ever consider that was because you were/are more experienced with alcohol? I can say with a straight face that I am far more in control of my actions and decisions with weed than alcohol. It's not even close. Give me a few shots of tequila and I might take my clothes off in a public place. I smoke too much weed and the only thing I pose a danger to is a bag of Doritos.

Irish Insanity · Apr 18, 2017

wizards8507 said:
I'm very much pro-legalization but the desire to do drugs is the most foreign concept to me.

I'm in this camp. I've never even tried an illegal drug.

woolybug25 said:
Don't you have a desire to get boozed up on microbrews? I see marijuana the same way. Some people may like bourbon, some beer, some weed. All buzzes of different feathers.

But I do understand this take on it. Info believe it should be legal. And know several who smoke occasionally.

irishog77 · Apr 18, 2017

woolybug25 said:
You felt more "out of control" as in you couldn't control the high as well as drinking? Did you ever consider that was because you were/are more experienced with alcohol? I can say with a straight face that I am far more in control of my actions and decisions with weed than alcohol. It's not even close. Give me a few shots of tequila and I might take my clothes off in a public place. I smoke too much weed and the only thing I pose a danger to is a bag of Doritos.

Think of the children though.

All. That. Hair.

IrishLax · Apr 18, 2017

woolybug25 said:
Don't you have a desire to get boozed up on microbrews? I see marijuana the same way. Some people may like bourbon, some beer, some weed. All buzzes of different feathers.

One of the crazier things to me when I was last in Colorado is how the normalization/legalization of weed has removed so much of the "destructive" side of it.

I remember in HS we devoted a shitton of time/money to 1) how we were going to get weed 2) how we were going to pay for the weed 3) how/when we were going to smoke the weed. It was an entire production that the vast majority of the given day could revolve around. It was not productive. And if you got caught, there were serious consequences. So weed == potential for bad stuff. Now? In places where it's legal, I'd argue it has less of a destructive bend than binge drinking once the peripherals concerns are removed.

In Denver, you can just go walk into a store like you're buying apples and get exactly what you want. It's a normal business transaction, you get a receipt, and you're on your way. The amount of high functioning people who have some THC product they use recreationally is large. My mother attended an engineering conference out there recently where the governor (I think, maybe lieutenant governor or something) got up on stage to kick it off, whipped out a giant blunt, and proclaimed "this right here is why all our schools are funded and the economy is booming and we have so much construction out here!"... then lit it up on stage and took a puff in front of a bunch of old, crusty engineering executives.

Weed, IMO, should be regulated and normalized. I don't feel the same way about some other harder drugs that have documented ill-effects on someone's brain/body.

dshans · Apr 18, 2017

woolybug25 said:
Don't you have a desire to get boozed up on microbrews? I see marijuana the same way. Some people may like bourbon, some beer, some weed. All buzzes of different feathers.

Buzzes from different muthaze?

Highs from a different sty?

Same table from a different stable?

You go your way; I'll go mine.

"Whatever gets you through the night ... it's all right, it's all right." – John Lennon

ACamp1900 · Apr 18, 2017

woolybug25 said:
You felt more "out of control" as in you couldn't control the high as well as drinking? Did you ever consider that was because you were/are more experienced with alcohol? I can say with a straight face that I am far more in control of my actions and decisions with weed than alcohol. It's not even close. Give me a few shots of tequila and I might take my clothes off in a public place. I smoke too much weed and the only thing I pose a danger to is a bag of Doritos.

eh, not really. When I smoked it was in my younger days when I was hardly some seasoned drinker. I'm not calling BS on anything like that, I hope that is not how it comes off... more like a "Really!?!?" reaction... and yeah I'm way more under control with alcohol... like laughably so, which is why I even bring it up. Maybe that has to do with the fact that I hardly get stone drunk but then that implies that everyone else has two speeds with booze, water or mad man 12 shots deep, and that's hard for me to grasp as well.

ACamp1900 · Apr 18, 2017

wizards8507 said:
I'm very much pro-legalization but the desire to do drugs is the most foreign concept to me.

I'm here.

zelezo vlk · Apr 18, 2017

dshans said:
I judiciously partook until the middle of my junior year at ND. That's when I realized that vegging out and snoozing on the couch when among friends was not what I had in mind. What was initially a social interaction became an anti-social barrier. It was time to move along.

Whiskeyjack said:
You surprise me, Dick. Not the take I would have expected from you.

Dshans, your post reminds me of this. I feel much the same way about video games, which is why I haven't bothered upgrading to the latest and greatest. I see Netflix and the like affecting my peers in the same way.

woolybug25 · Apr 18, 2017

IrishLax said:
One of the crazier things to me when I was last in Colorado is how the normalization/legalization of weed has removed so much of the "destructive" side of it.

I remember in HS we devoted a shitton of time/money to 1) how we were going to get weed 2) how we were going to pay for the weed 3) how/when we were going to smoke the weed. It was an entire production that the vast majority of the given day could revolve around. It was not productive. And if you got caught, there were serious consequences. So weed == potential for bad stuff. Now? In places where it's legal, I'd argue it has less of a destructive bend than binge drinking once the peripherals concerns are removed.

In Denver, you can just go walk into a store like you're buying apples and get exactly what you want. It's a normal business transaction, you get a receipt, and you're on your way. The amount of high functioning people who have some THC product they use recreationally is large. My mother attended an engineering conference out there recently where the governor (I think, maybe lieutenant governor or something) got up on stage to kick it off, whipped out a giant blunt, and proclaimed "this right here is why all our schools are funded and the economy is booming and we have so much construction out here!"... then lit it up on stage and took a puff in front of a bunch of old, crusty engineering executives.

Weed, IMO, should be regulated and normalized. I don't feel the same way about some other harder drugs that have documented ill-effects on someone's brain/body.

My thoughts precisely. The worst part about weed is the environment it puts its users in. Where they have to associate themselves with criminals. Where they are exposed to hard drugs that actually have long term effects to their health.

I think the world today is so far removed from prohibition to understand that alcohol, something which is celebrated today (and significantly more destructive), once had the same effect when it was illigal. Regular folks would subject themselves to seedy speakeasy's and gangsters in order to have a little bourbon. This same prohibition effect is what has led to high incarceration, increased crime and a bevy of harder drugs becoming popular with populations that otherwise would have never been subjected to them in the first place.

dshans · Apr 18, 2017

woolybug25 said:
You felt more "out of control" as in you couldn't control the high as well as drinking? Did you ever consider that was because you were/are more experienced with alcohol? I can say with a straight face that I am far more in control of my actions and decisions with weed than alcohol. It's not even close. Give me a few shots of tequila and I might take my clothes off in a public place. I smoke too much weed and the only thing I pose a danger to is a bag of Doritos.

You eat Doritos???

Man, you gotta stop getting high.

Doritos are bad for your health!

Too much tequila and you might find yourself "snoozing" in an urban renewal wasteland near the St. Joseph river, at 2 AM in February, with snow burying you and two dogs you were taking for a "quick" walk licking your face trying to revive you ...

NDdomer2 · Apr 18, 2017

IrishLax said:
My wife's grandmother has (now terminal) cancer. Marijuana worked great for her... though she eventually went on prescribed opiates (morphine, etc.) which I honestly don't understand how that's mainstream/accepted and weed isn't. Opiates are basically heroine, and for people who are on a constant regime of them to manage chronic pain it's not good. When she stopped taking them after an extended period of use she went into withdrawls and almost died.

Drugs are a weird thing. I take no medication unless I absolutely have to. I'm talking about minor over-the-counter stuff like Aleve, too. Just don't like putting those kind of substances in my body. When I was prescribed Percocet after my shoulder surgery in college I took one and never another because it made me feel weird AF. Just decided to deal with the pain as is. Like any good lacrosse player, I've smoked my fair share of weed as a social thing. I stopped after my freshman year at ND because someone I knew got in serious trouble and I didn't think it was worth the risk. Since then I've come to the conclusion that it's not any worse than drinking, and I think it should be culturally acceptable... I just (personally) won't partake. I look forward to checking out this Yahoo feature when I have time and seeing what conclusions they come to, thank you for posting.

I have always been very conscious of what I put into my body. When high school coaches were pushing creatine and whey protein, I refused. When I nearly destroyed my ankle in basketball, they wanted me to take pain meds to continue playing, I refused.

I have developed some terrible seasonal allergies (never had a single issue with seasonal allergies until I moved to Indianapolis in 2010) and I absolutely hate the fact that I have to take some stupid pill everyday to not have a faucet of snot roll out all day long.

So, in short, like you I hate taking meds. But as someone who is very detailed in what I take in, I smoke, and I would most likely fall in the chronic user category.

I have only had lapses of not smoking since 16, and smoke daily. Not large amounts, I am an accountant and do value my money

. I get regular check ups that I pass with flying colors, my lungs have been thouroughly examined (I had some terrible stomach issues my freshman year of college and there was concern fluid was building up in my lungs) and was told my lungs are as healthy as they come.

I can do my job high as a kite better than the smart kids who have never even smelt the stuff.

So like Wooly, it is a "whatever floats your boat" thing. Now I do like some alcohol here and there, but if I were to never have a sip again, NBD. I could go without smoking again too. I regularly have work trips that require me to go weeks at a time without and I have no withdrawal symptoms.

So I knew when I was younger that I may not be your average marijuana smoker, but I also know that many of the stigmas attached to it were clearly wrong.

With all that said I obviously have very pro-cannabis views and am always interested in reading stories about cannabis for medicinal purposes, especially those that compare its use instead of opiates.

I don't know if many of you are familiar with Eugene Monroe, ex Raven OL. But he is very pro marijuana to the point it has cost him the end of his career in the NFL for openly advocating.

He has a very good read:Retired Baltimore Ravens tackle used marijuana to quit football

drayer54 · Apr 18, 2017

If I were a politician, my campaign commercial would be a few married gay people, some churchy guy, and a funny immigrant sitting in a basement illegally gambling while smoking whatever we want with some veterans in the back cleaning guns and we would be talking about how we have jobs and don't need free stuff for the government. Then I would just look at the camera and say "everything you see here!"

So naturally, I vote yes!

fightingirish26 · Apr 18, 2017

Should have put this thread on the shelf till thursday haha

NDdomer2 · Apr 18, 2017

also, as I see these, I will add to the OP, however, I dont plan to link to all of them. If you open one, there are quite a few videos and other articles in the same "Weed and the American Family" section off to the right.

woolybug25 · Apr 18, 2017

fightingirish26 said:
Should have put this thread on the shelf till thursday haha

wizards8507 · Apr 18, 2017

dshans said:
You eat Doritos???

Man, you gotta stop getting high.

Doritos are bad for your health!

Too much tequila and you might find yourself "snoozing" in an urban renewal wasteland near the St. Joseph river, at 2 AM in February, with snow burying you and two dogs you were taking for a "quick" walk licking your face trying to revive you ...

No doubt. One time I got wicked hammered on box sangria and scarfed down an Angus burger and large order of fries at the McDonald's on Michigan Street, not far from where you took your nap. My vomit was the most violent color purple you can imagine. That parking lot looked like it had a huge blood stain for about a year.

NDdomer2 · Apr 18, 2017

fightingirish26 said:
Should have put this thread on the shelf till thursday haha

you dont enjoy a good build up of temptation?

NDohio · Apr 18, 2017

Similar to LAX I don't take anything for pain, allergies, inflammation, etc. I also have never tried pot and only drink in moderation. But, while my mom was dying of cancer and had so much chemo running through her body that her last four months of life were completely miserable, I tried to convince her to smoke. She was on an experimental marijuana pill that helped some, but I believe it wasn't enough for her. This was ten years ago and the thought of weed becoming legal at the time was just that, a thought. She wouldn't let me get her any as she didn't want me to take the chance of getting busted. The penalty for having it is definitely way over the top.

zelezo vlk · Apr 18, 2017

wizards8507 said:
No doubt. One time I got wicked hammered on box sangria and scarfed down an Angus burger and large order of fries at the McDonald's on Michigan Street, not far from where you took your nap. My vomit was the most violent color purple you can imagine. That parking lot looked like it had a huge blood stain for about a year.

No doubt caused by Mega Purple, an additive used in most cheap wines (and apparently some pricey stuff too).

https://vinepair.com/articles/what-is-mega-purple-and-what-is-it-doing-in-my-wine/

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