UFOs, Paranormal, Pseudoscience Thread

[Irish#1]

Why do you want to believe?

The possibilities.

 

[Irish#1]

Bullet 4, there's plenty of videos out there of flying crafts in ways/speeds we cannot do. It's just never part of MSM content. And on bullet #4, watch this video, starting at the 3:50 mark. Just an example that things get very strange, technology speaking. Can anyone explain the 3:50 mark?

Concerning the phone, you have to remember that it’s not a phone. It’s a computer with phone capabilities. I’ve seen enough phones do weird things. You’re packing so much into a small compartment that heat can easily be a factor in causing odd behavior with the OS or cpu.

 

[GATTACA!]

And on point 1 or 2, I don't think figuring out space travel means they're infinitely smarter than us. Were the Egyptians infinitely smarter than us since this built things we cannot understand or recreate? In some ways probably, in others definitely not.

Perhaps they have access to elements that we just don't have here that make travel an brainer, and they have their fair share of shit heads too.

I don't know but I don't think your points close the books is all, no more than my responses do either for that matter.

We know how the pyramids were built. At least we have a very good idea of how it was done practically with tech known to people in those times. We can never say for certain that we "know" exactly how they did it because there aren't drawings or writings detailing their process.

They used an internal ramp to move the blocks up layer by layer.

 

[IrishLion]

I like Joe Rogan’s theory that answers the “if they’re so advanced, why not make themselves known to us, or stay 100% hidden?” questions:

If they were real, they’d probably be part of an advanced species that is aware of the devastating effects of societies with nuclear capabilities.

Reported sightings and governmental involvement skyrocketed around the time we were testing and then dropping nuclear bombs.

Easily explained as countries all over the world using their most advanced capabilities to spy on each other with the rise of nuclear weapons, leading to reports of “UFO’s” with “out of this world capabilities.”

But UFO sightings clustering around military bases, and incidents where sightings precede/follow events where nuclear-capable facilities temporarily lose power/control leads to all kinds of fun speculation.

Maybe an advanced civilization follows a loose version of Star Trek’s “don’t mess up an evolving civilization’s timeline” thing, except decides to step in when we’re dangerously close to blowing the whole world up? Maybe they’re keeping a closer eye on us now to make sure it doesn’t happen as our tech and AI advance at increasingly rapid rates?

Probably just countries using their best tech to fuck with each other and spook each other into continued nuclear inaction, but that’s not as fun as speculating about aliens.

 

[IrishLion]

Bump lol

 

[Sea Turtle]

Bump lol

🤣 😂

 

[NDohio]

What would the odds be if it is true that we can reverse engineer any off world tech?

Some have said that stealth technology is exactly this.

 

[Henges24]

Yep it could get really scary. Like War of the Worlds, Independence Day or E.T.

Is this why the world has so many nuclear weapons? 🧐

 

[Ndaccountant]

Bet you its rack em's mom. No way in hell any human can use an eggplant that way.

 

[Giddyup]

Show me the alien or didn’t happen

 

[Irish#1]

Bump lol

After reading this excerpt, I'm more skeptical.

“Quite a number. I thought it was totally nuts and I thought at first I was being deceived, it was a ruse. People started to confide in me. Approaching me. I have plenty of senior, former, intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I knew almost my whole career, that confided in me that they were part of a program. They named the program. I’d never heard of it. And, and, they told me, based on their oral testimony, and they provided me documents and other proof, that there was in fact a program that the UAP Task Force was not read into,”

Why did they all come to him? Why not someone else or the media?

 

[50milesSE ND]

All holographic alien ships! Government deep state psyop!

 

[IrishLion]

This is wild… (but again, where is the evidence after the fact?):
- Family calls 911 because something “crashed” in their back yard
- They state that there are creatures, clearly non-humans, 8-10 feet tall with big shiny eyes and big mouths, outside of the craft looking into the windows at the family
- Police are called to respond
- One of the responding officers UNKNOWINGLY captured footage of the craft falling through the sky while on an earlier, unrelated call with his body cam on
- The footage of the falling craft could easily be a meteor. They glow bluish green like that before they break up sometimes.
- No one asked the family what happened when the creatures and craft left? They didn’t watch it the whole time while waiting for police?
- Neighbors saw “something” but could provide no details
- Cop turns OFF his body cam when entering the back yard because they can’t record on private property? Idk I feel like I’ve seen body cam footage of shootings from inside peoples’ homes

 

[Henges24]

Yeah I seen this too. I was actually reluctant to click on it because Barstool but watched it and thought, ’wtf?’.

The part that was cut out is obviously skeptical but could be nothing I suppose. But it was a juicy part.

 

[dublinirish]

Lol the cop was worried about respecting private property give us a break


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[GATTACA!]

This is wild… (but again, where is the evidence after the fact?):
- Family calls 911 because something “crashed” in their back yard
- They state that there are creatures, clearly non-humans, 8-10 feet tall with big shiny eyes and big mouths, outside of the craft looking into the windows at the family
- Police are called to respond
- One of the responding officers UNKNOWINGLY captured footage of the craft falling through the sky while on an earlier, unrelated call with his body cam on
- The footage of the falling craft could easily be a meteor. They glow bluish green like that before they break up sometimes.
- No one asked the family what happened when the creatures and craft left? They didn’t watch it the whole time while waiting for police?
- Neighbors saw “something” but could provide no details
- Cop turns OFF his body cam when entering the back yard because they can’t record on private property? Idk I feel like I’ve seen body cam footage of shootings from inside peoples’ homes

It could be a crackhead.

Give me the gold. I want the gold.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Show me the ship or didn’t happen.

Sounds like someone just wants to be probed...

 

[Irish#1]

If something crashed in my backyard, I'm taking pics of the craft and those looking in the window.

Sounds like someone just wants to be probed...

or they were higher than a kite.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I think that the work Mike has done and continues to do is important, and we absolutely should investigate and study the phenomenon of UFO's. I would be thrilled to finally find unambiguous evidence of alien intelligence, though I'm not sure it would end well for us. However, the seemingly unsolvable problems with traveling interstellar distances in a reasonable time and the fact that it's not realistic to think an alien race who was advanced enough to visit us isn't advanced enough to do so undetected leave me about 99.999% convinced that none of the unexplained phenomena are alien in nature. Strange lights, grainy & blurry video (in an age of high-res cameras being ubiquitous), and first person stories with no physical evidence are anything but convincing. I'd like to see technology that's far beyond us, a ship, a living specimen or even a body before I believe.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I think that the work Mike has done and continues to do is important, and we absolutely should investigate and study the phenomenon of UFO's. I would be thrilled to finally find unambiguous evidence of alien intelligence, though I'm not sure it would end well for us. However, the seemingly unsolvable problems with traveling interstellar distances in a reasonable time and the fact that it's not realistic to think an alien race who was advanced enough to visit us isn't advanced enough to do so undetected leave me about 99.999% convinced that none of the unexplained phenomena are alien in nature. Strange lights, grainy & blurry video (in an age of high-res cameras being ubiquitous), and first person stories with no physical evidence are anything but convincing. I'd like to see technology that's far beyond us, a ship, a living specimen or even a body before I believe.

It's peak human arrogance to suggest that because a problem is unsolvable to us in 2023, therefore it must not be true.

 

[notredomer23]

My only worthwhile contribution to the thread (Though I do sincerely enjoy reading Mike's posts in here. Just not a topic I've ever dove into too deeply one way or the other).

 

[Giddyup]

Tell these aliens to stop crashing into our planet. It’s the only one we have assholes!

 

[greyhammer90]

It's peak human arrogance to suggest that because a problem is unsolvable to us in 2023, therefore it must not be true.

You need to re-read what he wrote, because he didn't claim the problem was unsolvable because we can't figure it out.

 

[DCDomer]

It could be a crackhead.

Give me the gold. I want the gold.

IF YALL SEEN THE LEPRECHAUN SAY YEAAAAA!

 

[BleedBlueGold]

You need to re-read what he wrote, because he didn't claim the problem was unsolvable because we can't figure it out.

Fair. But when I asked previously for his position, he didn't respond (perhaps just overlooked it). "99% sure it's not alien in nature." I'd say, define "alien." If we're talking about little green men, then yeah I agree. But alien could me just not from here (physically, supernaturally, interdimensional, etc). Just because we don't have scientific data that's understood by humans, doesn't mean there isn't "something" going on.

 

[greyhammer90]

Fair. But when I asked previously for his position, he didn't respond (perhaps just overlooked it). "99% sure it's not alien in nature." I'd say, define "alien." If we're talking about little green men, then yeah I agree. But alien could me just not from here (physically, supernaturally, interdimensional, etc). Just because we don't have scientific data that's understood by humans, doesn't mean there isn't "something" going on.

When you reduce your stance to the extent that you're just arguing that "something" is going on, you're basically just agreeing with deniers but doing it the long way.

The specific claim that's being made is that there is non-human intelligent life that's buzzing our atmosphere using advanced craft, and that our government has evidence of this and is covering it up from the public. That sort of claim deserves skepticism until substantiated with physical evidence. No one is disagreeing that "something" is going on when people film a light in the sky, but the most likely explanation is something mundane. The second most likely explanation is something extraordinary, but local.

 

[Bishop2b5]

It's peak human arrogance to suggest that because a problem is unsolvable to us in 2023, therefore it must not be true.

You need to re-read what he wrote, because he didn't claim the problem was unsolvable because we can't figure it out.

I may have missed your request to explain further why interstellar is all but impossible, so I'll do so here.

Grayhammer is correct, it's not just a matter of us being unable to figure it out. It's almost certainly not a matter of we just haven't advanced enough technologically, and new discoveries and inventions will make it possible in the future. FTL travel is strictly prohibited by the laws of physics and when we look out across the universe, we find NO indication that anyone or anything else has found a way to overcome that fundamental property of the universe. Technological advances in books and movies such as warp drives, hyperdrives, gravity drives, and etc. are non-scientific fictional plot devices. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that any new discoveries and technological advances will ever overcome one of the most basic fundamental properties of the universe and allow us to travel faster than the speed of light anywhere other than in fictional works.

As for high-speed travel at less than the speed of light, which might allow us or another civilization to travel interstellar distances in years or decades, that too runs into MAJOR problems with mass acceleration, impacts with even tiny dust particles, friction with interstellar gas, and radiation. More solvable than FIL travel, but still bordering on physically impossible regardless of advances in technology.

For more info and a more detailed explanation, see my post from this past December:

UFOs, Paranormal, Pseudoscience Thread

 

[BleedBlueGold]

When you reduce your stance to the extent that you're just arguing that "something" is going on, you're basically just agreeing with deniers but doing it the long way.

The specific claim that's being made is that there is non-human intelligent life that's buzzing our atmosphere using advanced craft, and that our government has evidence of this and is covering it up from the public. That sort of claim deserves skepticism until substantiated with physical evidence. No one is disagreeing that "something" is going on when people film a light in the sky, but the most likely explanation is something mundane. The second most likely explanation is something extraordinary, but local.

I said it's "something" because it's pointless to argue past one another, trying to convince someone of what it is or is not. We don't know what it is. It could be non-human. It could be human. We don't know. We have too little data and/or knowledge of what's happening to come to any sort of conclusion. People are entitled to being skeptical as much as they are to being confident. Bishop states he's "99.999% convinced," to which I'm saying that being that far towards either side of the spectrum makes little sense to me given that we simply do not know what is happening.

I'm not referring to the specific claim. I'm speaking to the general idea that reports have been ongoing for years and now the government is "leaking" information along with more and more whistleblowers that "something" is happening....to a degree in which we do not know because we simply do not have the all of the information and/or do not possess the capabilities of comprehension.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I may have missed your request to explain further why interstellar is all but impossible, so I'll do so here.

Grayhammer is correct, it's not just a matter of us being unable to figure it out. It's almost certainly not a matter of we just haven't advanced enough technologically, and new discoveries and inventions will make it possible in the future. FTL travel is strictly prohibited by the laws of physics and when we look out across the universe, we find NO indication that anyone or anything else has found a way to overcome that fundamental property of the universe. Technological advances in books and movies such as warp drives, hyperdrives, gravity drives, and etc. are non-scientific fictional plot devices. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that any new discoveries and technological advances will ever overcome one of the most basic fundamental properties of the universe and allow us to travel faster than the speed of light anywhere other than in fictional works.

As for high-speed travel at less than the speed of light, which might allow us or another civilization to travel interstellar distances in years or decades, that too runs into MAJOR problems with mass acceleration, impacts with even tiny dust particles, friction with interstellar gas, and radiation. More solvable than FIL travel, but still bordering on physically impossible regardless of advances in technology.

For more info and a more detailed explanation, see my post from this past December:

UFOs, Paranormal, Pseudoscience Thread

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you or are you not proving my point? Interstellar travel is all but impossible because...and then you proceed to explain to me in terms of physics that only our current civilization of human species can comprehend...? Your thought process is limited to what is or isn't possible based on what we know, with little humility for that we do not.

 

[Sea Turtle]

If something crashed in my backyard, I'm taking pics of the craft and those looking in the window.


or they were higher than a kite.

The video taped the whole thing.