UFOs, Paranormal, Pseudoscience Thread

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They did the same thing in 2017. Thats what is making people hesitant. Same guy, same bodies, same story. And was proven fake. I really hope maybe it wasn’t meant to be fake and just a super excited guy thinking he found something and maybe this time he did. But you can understand why some people, even the big time believers are skeptical of this. And so many people just straight believe it without an ounce of questioning.
 

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This is as bad as the guy who said he had killed a bigfoot and had it in a giant cooler.
It ended up being a Chewbacca costume.
 

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OMM, did you look into the Peruvian sightings over the summer? Curious what you thought of that. I watched a few interviews of Tim Alberino who grew up there and returned to investigate. Really wild stuff.
 

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Like almost everything in the UFO field, these claims aren't proven one way or the other, so you have to make up your own mind. My friends (a group of long time experts in this business) all generally dismiss the Peruvian summer claims. Why? Is this an intellectually honest opinion? Well, I agree with them. Here are the fragmentary reasons why:
1. Peru is an area of the world with a recent history of very bad UFO claims;
2. Such claims are especially poor when the native or aboriginal peoples get told things to believe;
3. Amazonian peoples quickly and naturally interpret odd things in cultural legendary contexts;
4. The first reports of this summer stuff talked of these floating invaders as monsters in cultural terms;
5. Only later did the idea that these attackers were "aliens" take over the narrative;
6. The area affected by these attacks is notorious for gang activity dealing with illegal gold dredging;
7. These illegal gangsters use low-level hover suits to propel them efficiently over jungle terrain;
8. The accompanying suits are helmeted and face-shielded and have jets at the feet;
9. One of the village elders was shown the picture of such a suit and said the alien looked like that.
Another of the elders did not believe that the suit explained it;
10. Subsequent actions concerning Peruvian claims pushed the Peruvian "alien mummy" idea again.
This alien claim has been thoroughly debunked as an embarrassing piece of BS; so this should have no connection with the claims.

As an aside, stuff like this (connecting native peoples' stories, art, legends to UFOs) occurs all the time. A couple of years ago some snake oil salesman was pushing an idea that a "rare and mysterious" form of sculpture had been excavated in Africa which pictured alien body form and "proof" of ancient invasion or instruction of mankind. This novel rare find was of course fascinating -------
especially since I owned one myself. Yep. That old native sculpture of mine (along with hundreds of others in collections worldwide) surely proved alien visitation. The truth of the Nomoli figurines is of course far different from alien invasion.

A picture of me and my friend Nomoli is attached. Now, how do I get a Peruvian Flying alien or even a mummy?

Photo on 2022-04-08 at 14.25.jpg
 

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Mike, would love your opinion on this video.

It’s been floating around Reddit for a couple months. It surely looks odd and unbelievable but a lot of “Reddit experts” are claiming video isn’t altered and is genuine.

Curious if you have had conversations on it.

Sorry if this has already been posted.

 

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Well, I don't want to get into a pattern of "answering"every odd claim about UFOs appearing on the internet.
Here is one general rule: if video or photographic "evidence" is presented without thorough and clear documentation as to its source, observational context, chain of passing the evidence along, etc --- and whether any corroborating testimony exists, then there is really no sense in talking about the material. (which especially today is likely hoaxed.)

As to this thing: there isn't much thought given it in the serious community. Here, for whatever it might be worth, is a quote.
"Scott Brando, who founded UFO of Interest which is focused on debunking hoaxes about UFOs, told us that the video is likely a graphic creation. He even found a version of the video shared on Vimeo in August 2014 by a UFO enthusiast group. The description under the video describes it as 'what the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 may have looked like' made by a video editing enthusiast."

You can believe that or not as you want. For us, things like this (real or not) are a waste of time without the 90% rest of the story about how this was done. Any science fiction movie maker can make film more realistic than real so undocumented video is an utter waste of investigative time.
 

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Mike, would love your opinion on this video.

It’s been floating around Reddit for a couple months. It surely looks odd and unbelievable but a lot of “Reddit experts” are claiming video isn’t altered and is genuine.

Curious if you have had conversations on it.

Sorry if this has already been posted.


I can't recall where I saw it but this is nearly identical to some footage that didn't make the mainstream on Malasian flight 370.
 

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OMM FWIW, this is the Peruvian story I heard. This gentleman went there for a week to stay with villagers and investigate.

 

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Lberry: have you read the bizarre stuff that Alberino writes? Some of the weirdest and unsupported speculation imaginable.

I shouldn't comment further, but he is either a deliberate bullshit promoter or seriously unhinged from reality. Because he is getting money and some form of strange fame out of this, I'm favoring the don't-give-a-damm-for-truth hypothesis. There are a lot of modern Americans who do not realize that there is no law against saying or writing any damm thing, and making money off of it, as long as it cannot be shown to be a health issue. "Freedom of Speech" and all that.

Also, there are a boatload of Americans who have no cultural support for answering BIG ultimate questions, reject any form of traditional spirituality, and yet consciously or unconsciously crave deeper answers. We get tons of these people flowing into UFO waters hoping for "alien answers." Alberino's writings offer them one scenario: alien giants as the origin of everything human. In my opinion, people like Alberino are not only promoting colossal errors for money, but are immoral false belief pushers.

I should apologize for such a strong opinion, but I have LARGE amounts of experience with these people and their subject matter and the actual scholarly information that they "proudly" ignore. So ... I can't honestly apologize despite the ferocity. (p.s. the entire crew of the Ancient Aliens TV series -- the moron with the wild hair et al --- are the same sort of sellout-the-truth-for-cash trash. One of my best UFO friends has an advanced degree in ancient history and every time we discuss one of these morons' crapclaims he gets the urge to get his gun or alternatively slit his own throat. These people are garbage. The ONLY salvation possible is if the viewer goes in knowing this and takes it as {poor} "pure" fictional entertainment. They're clever admittedly. They'll take a bit of good hard won information to get people lured in, then pile on the steaming guano lightyears high. They have served, more than the government ever could, to make the UFO research community a howling joke.)
 

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Lberry: have you read the bizarre stuff that Alberino writes? Some of the weirdest and unsupported speculation imaginable.

I shouldn't comment further, but he is either a deliberate bullshit promoter or seriously unhinged from reality. Because he is getting money and some form of strange fame out of this, I'm favoring the don't-give-a-damm-for-truth hypothesis. There are a lot of modern Americans who do not realize that there is no law against saying or writing any damm thing, and making money off of it, as long as it cannot be shown to be a health issue. "Freedom of Speech" and all that.

Also, there are a boatload of Americans who have no cultural support for answering BIG ultimate questions, reject any form of traditional spirituality, and yet consciously or unconsciously crave deeper answers. We get tons of these people flowing into UFO waters hoping for "alien answers." Alberino's writings offer them one scenario: alien giants as the origin of everything human. In my opinion, people like Alberino are not only promoting colossal errors for money, but are immoral false belief pushers.

I should apologize for such a strong opinion, but I have LARGE amounts of experience with these people and their subject matter and the actual scholarly information that they "proudly" ignore. So ... I can't honestly apologize despite the ferocity. (p.s. the entire crew of the Ancient Aliens TV series -- the moron with the wild hair et al --- are the same sort of sellout-the-truth-for-cash trash. One of my best UFO friends has an advanced degree in ancient history and every time we discuss one of these morons' crapclaims he gets the urge to get his gun or alternatively slit his own throat. These people are garbage. The ONLY salvation possible is if the viewer goes in knowing this and takes it as {poor} "pure" fictional entertainment. They're clever admittedly. They'll take a bit of good hard won information to get people lured in, then pile on the steaming guano lightyears high. They have served, more than the government ever could, to make the UFO research community a howling joke.)
Yes, I just read his book "Birthrite" and found it intriguing. He believes in God and aliens, and in order to tie the two together you may appear "out there" to some. He does a great job of tieing it to scripture, which he knows inside and out.

Not saying he's for all but regardless of your perspective of him, it's a very thorough overview of his on site investigation with the villagers, and it can be viewed separate from your general perspective of him, in my opinion, respectively.
 

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The jellyfish thing is a camouflaged jetpack, change my mind
 

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Lol yeah hard to take that guy seriously though the jelly fish and ufo over Miami the night of the incident at the mall is pretty interesting. The video of the 10ft shadow people is dumb.
 

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When over 100 cop cars all rush to the scene in unison, and they close down the airspace of one of the largest cities in America (on a Wednesday).

And the media is dead silent on it - what are the most likely theories?

If it was a mass shooting it'd be soaked up by the media (especially in republican state), so why would they ignore it?
 

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When over 100 cop cars all rush to the scene in unison, and they close down the airspace of one of the largest cities in America (on a Wednesday).

And the media is dead silent on it - what are the most likely theories?

If it was a mass shooting it'd be soaked up by the media (especially in republican state), so why would they ignore it?

My first guess would be a false alarm for a mass shooting. Full PD response to a hoax or bad info would be embarrassing, and doesn’t actually move the needle outside of social media activity. We had a pretty serious false alarm in Cincinnati recently for a mass shooter, huge response by local authorities for miles around… and no one outside of the area heard about it because it was a hoax.

Second guess is military tech that went down while testing for urban effectiveness in a populated area.

Third guess is aliens.
 

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The video of the cop cars in Miami was a response to a large teen takeover where fights broke out, etc. Not sure how they extrapolated a UFO out of that.
 

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The video of the cop cars in Miami was a response to a large teen takeover where fights broke out, etc. Not sure how they extrapolated a UFO out of that.
100 cop cars for a teen fight? Not saying it was UFOs, but that sort of response and shutting down air space for teens fighting is not possibly true.
 

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100 cop cars for a teen fight? Not saying it was UFOs, but that sort of response and shutting down air space for teens fighting is not possibly true.

Haven't read too much into but I initially saw it was reported as multiple active shooters hence the response, but it turned out to just be teens launching fireworks at each other.
 

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100 cop cars for a teen fight? Not saying it was UFOs, but that sort of response and shutting down air space for teens fighting is not possibly true.
Have you ever responded to one of these teen takeovers that are in vogue at the moment? I have, the massive response prevents the situation from escalating and the shutting down of airspace is to keep drones out of the area as LE often has its own assets in the air and doesn’t want a collision.
 

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100 cop cars for a teen fight? Not saying it was UFOs, but that sort of response and shutting down air space for teens fighting is not possibly true.
You know this because?

Seems like a logical explanation to me. Far more likely than a UFO.
 
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