Turf/ Jumbotron Thread

[Cackalacky]

"Tradition" has always been the excuse

But we won't be able to let it grow and extra couple of inches to slow down USC anymore.

 

[Cali_domer]

havent been readfig back on the thread...why was the field such a mess saturday?

Tradition

 

[tadman95]

I'm no turf expert by any means but I would think putting sod down in the fall, in northern Indiana, is pretty tough to do. The roots have to grow into the soil below and fall temperatures aren't exactly ideal for promoting that sort of growth, especially enough to hold up to 300# linemen pressing into it for leverage.

 

[ulukinatme]

Why the fuss about going to turf?

"Tradition" has always been the excuse

why was the field such a mess saturday?

Tradition

That was good.

Our ground crew usually does a great job with the field, or at least the best they can given the circumstances. Having to re-sod 3 times in one season is pretty bad though, and I would like to see turf in the future. Natural grass may have cost us a possession against Navy that could have killed us in the end. Turf is a sensible solution.

 

[NDBoiler]

That was good.

Our ground crew usually does a great job with the field, or at least the best they can given the circumstances. Having to re-sod 3 times in one season is pretty bad though, and I would like to see turf in the future. Natural grass may have cost us a possession against Navy that could have killed us in the end. Turf is a sensible solution.

You're full of it, that INT was all Tommy's fault, right Pat?

 

[wizards8507]

That was good.

Our ground crew usually does a great job with the field, or at least the best they can given the circumstances. Having to re-sod 3 times in one season is pretty bad though, and I would like to see turf in the future. Natural grass may have cost us a possession against Navy that could have killed us in the end. Turf is a sensible solution.

You're full of it, that INT was all Tommy's fault, right Pat?

Bull. TJ feel because the ground was WET, not because the sod came loose. Field Turf is ALSO slippery when wet.

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[rikkitikki08]

That INT when TJ slipped ended my argument for natural grass. Im all for field turf at this point.

 

[NDohio]

That INT when TJ slipped ended my argument for natural grass. Im all for field turf at this point.

Now that's a breakthrough!! Put the money down now!!

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

I'm no turf expert by any means but I would think putting sod down in the fall, in northern Indiana, is pretty tough to do. The roots have to grow into the soil below and fall temperatures aren't exactly ideal for promoting that sort of growth, especially enough to hold up to 300# linemen pressing into it for leverage.

Did you stay at a Holiday Inn last night?

 

[ThePiombino]

Bull. TJ feel because the ground was WET, not because the sod came loose. Field Turf is ALSO slippery when wet.

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Do you honestly not understand the correlation? I'm guessing you've never played ball in the rain on natural grass.

 

[Cali_domer]

Ndnation is thinking of another writing campaign about field turf...

Swarbrick has an obligation to be honest

 

[NDBoiler]

Ndnation is thinking of another writing campaign about field turf...

Swarbrick has an obligation to be honest

LOL I just read that thread.

People want to rag on young kids today about the perceived "entitlement" attitude, but if that load of crap is any reflection of what an "older" generation's attiutude is, it sure as hell isn't humility and grace. Across and co. might break a leg whenever they decide to jump down off their high horses, because they are way up there.

 

[GowerND11]

They have full on lost it. Claiming that it is too expensive to install Field Turf because it'd be used only 7-8 times a year is insane. Do they realize that the initial cost is offset by the low maintenance costs... i.e. NOT having to resod 3 times in one year, then mow, and water, and fertilize, and airate, etc?!?! I'm a fan of natural grass surface soley on opinion, but if Swarbrick and Co. see fit to install Field Turf or a hybrid so be it. They know what's best for the team and for growth of ND football. NDNation needs to stop being butthurt school boys acting like they got rejected for the big dance on Friday.

 

[tadman95]

I'm no turf expert by any means but I would think putting sod down in the fall, in northern Indiana, is pretty tough to do. The roots have to grow into the soil below and fall temperatures aren't exactly ideal for promoting that sort of growth, especially enough to hold up to 300# linemen pressing into it for leverage.

Did you stay at a Holiday Inn last night?

Motel 8, hence I didn't proclaim experthood.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

If ND had turf back in the day, Rudy would never have been hired to work on the grounds crew. Have you people no sense of history!?

 

[tadman95]

If ND had turf back in the day, Rudy would never have been hired to work on the grounds crew. Have you people no sense of history!?

Well that's s good point. No Rudy? Heresy! Throw some seed!

 

[wizards8507]

They have full on lost it. Claiming that it is too expensive to install Field Turf because it'd be used only 7-8 times a year is insane. Do they realize that the initial cost is offset by the low maintenance costs... i.e. NOT having to resod 3 times in one year, then mow, and water, and fertilize, and airate, etc?!?! I'm a fan of natural grass surface soley on opinion, but if Swarbrick and Co. see fit to install Field Turf or a hybrid so be it. They know what's best for the team and for growth of ND football. NDNation needs to stop being butthurt school boys acting like they got rejected for the big dance on Friday.

I think a lot of people, even the traditionalists, could get on board with a hybrid. I believe the hybrid at Lambeau, Desso GrassMaster, is only about 3% synthetic and it apparently makes all the difference in the world. The problem is that Swarbrick and Kelly have apparently decided specifically on FieldTurf brand FieldTurf, which is 100% artificial.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Dhhhwww! I hate when that happens!

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[Cackalacky]

If ND had turf back in the day, Rudy would never have been hired to work on the grounds crew. Have you people no sense of history!?

Tradition=new "Potential"

 

[Rocket89]

I think a lot of people, even the traditionalists, could get on board with a hybrid. I believe the hybrid at Lambeau, Desso GrassMaster, is only about 3% synthetic and it apparently makes all the difference in the world. The problem is that Swarbrick and Kelly have apparently decided specifically on FieldTurf brand FieldTurf, which is 100% artificial.

That's not really the problem.

That's part of the hyper-politicization of ND Football made famous at NDNation and is a talking point now being used to drum up a lack of support for the decision making process. This framing of the issue happens all the time as if the Notre Dame President, Athletic Director, and Head Coach should convene a Congressional hearing for this process and if they're not then they're so obviously staying silent on the matter because they know they're doing something wrong.

Doing this moves the argument from the real issue (the playing surface) to a struggle for power, transparency, etc.

Just look at some of the words ACross uses in today's post, and he uses them all the time for different issues: OBLIGATION, HONEST, PATRONIZE, DECEIVE, FORTHRIGHT, UNREASONABLE.

You see, we're never going to find out the intricate details of this decision making process. Why? Because major athletic programs don't find the need to write up 30-page documents detailing how and why they chose a surface for an athletic playing field. Sure someone might ask Swarbrick or Kelly in a press conference, but their answer will never suffice.

That's why ACross and his ilk have to start spreading the "They decided already without looking at other options" rumor. They're laying down the tracks ahead of time for the train they are going to smash the Administration with.

In the event that FieldTurf is installed: SEE I TOLD YOU!

In the event that DessoGrassmaster is installed: OH WELL, SEE OUR EFFORTS HAVE BEEN VINDICATED!

It's really a win-win construct.

Putting all that aside, the real "problem" is that people still want football played on natural grass and other people simply don't care about that. That's the essence of the debate all this other stuff is white noise BS.

As an extension the arguments will inevitably turn to ND Stadium as a multi-use facility. The truth is Notre Dame was going to walk down this path with or without Brian Kelly. Trying to blame the coach for any change misses the mark. The school has already made it abundantly clear that the stadium is going to be renovated and expanded primarily for other non-football related purposes. As such, I really doubt that they are going to spend the outlandish amount of money to try and perfect a Grassmaster field when it might not hold up and FieldTurf is the much easier and sensible solution.

 

[GowerND11]

That's not really the problem.

That's part of the hyper-politicization of ND Football made famous at NDNation and is a talking point now being used to drum up a lack of support for the decision making process. This framing of the issue happens all the time as if the Notre Dame President, Athletic Director, and Head Coach should convene a Congressional hearing for this process and if they're not then they're so obviously staying silent on the matter because they know they're doing something wrong.

Doing this moves the argument from the real issue (the playing surface) to a struggle for power, transparency, etc.

Just look at some of the words ACross uses in today's post, and he uses them all the time for different issues: OBLIGATION, HONEST, PATRONIZE, DECEIVE, FORTHRIGHT, UNREASONABLE.

You see, we're never going to find out the intricate details of this decision making process. Why? Because major athletic programs don't find the need to write up 30-page documents detailing how and why they chose a surface for an athletic playing field. Sure someone might ask Swarbrick or Kelly in a press conference, but their answer will never suffice.

That's why ACross and his ilk have to start spreading the "They decided already without looking at other options" rumor. They're laying down the tracks ahead of time for the train they are going to smash the Administration with.

In the event that FieldTurf is installed: SEE I TOLD YOU!

In the event that DessoGrassmaster is installed: OH WELL, SEE OUR EFFORTS HAVE BEEN VINDICATED!

It's really a win-win construct.

Putting all that aside, the real "problem" is that people still want football played on natural grass and other people simply don't care about that. That's the essence of the debate all this other stuff is white noise BS.

As an extension the arguments will inevitably turn to ND Stadium as a multi-use facility. The truth is Notre Dame was going to walk down this path with or without Brian Kelly. Trying to blame the coach for any change misses the mark. The school has already made it abundantly clear that the stadium is going to be renovated and expanded primarily for other non-football related purposes. As such, I really doubt that they are going to spend the outlandish amount of money to try and perfect a Grassmaster field when it might not hold up and FieldTurf is the much easier and sensible solution.

Great post. REPS!

 

[BurningRiver]

I'm just hoping we do the Green Bay style of turf rather than pure turf like you see in domes

 

[wizards8507]

That's not really the problem.

That's part of the hyper-politicization of ND Football made famous at NDNation and is a talking point now being used to drum up a lack of support for the decision making process. This framing of the issue happens all the time as if the Notre Dame President, Athletic Director, and Head Coach should convene a Congressional hearing for this process and if they're not then they're so obviously staying silent on the matter because they know they're doing something wrong.

Doing this moves the argument from the real issue (the playing surface) to a struggle for power, transparency, etc.

Just look at some of the words ACross uses in today's post, and he uses them all the time for different issues: OBLIGATION, HONEST, PATRONIZE, DECEIVE, FORTHRIGHT, UNREASONABLE.

You see, we're never going to find out the intricate details of this decision making process. Why? Because major athletic programs don't find the need to write up 30-page documents detailing how and why they chose a surface for an athletic playing field. Sure someone might ask Swarbrick or Kelly in a press conference, but their answer will never suffice.

That's why ACross and his ilk have to start spreading the "They decided already without looking at other options" rumor. They're laying down the tracks ahead of time for the train they are going to smash the Administration with.

In the event that FieldTurf is installed: SEE I TOLD YOU!

In the event that DessoGrassmaster is installed: OH WELL, SEE OUR EFFORTS HAVE BEEN VINDICATED!

It's really a win-win construct.

Putting all that aside, the real "problem" is that people still want football played on natural grass and other people simply don't care about that. That's the essence of the debate all this other stuff is white noise BS.

As an extension the arguments will inevitably turn to ND Stadium as a multi-use facility. The truth is Notre Dame was going to walk down this path with or without Brian Kelly. Trying to blame the coach for any change misses the mark. The school has already made it abundantly clear that the stadium is going to be renovated and expanded primarily for other non-football related purposes. As such, I really doubt that they are going to spend the outlandish amount of money to try and perfect a Grassmaster field when it might not hold up and FieldTurf is the much easier and sensible solution.

I don't know ACross or anyone else over there, nor did I intend to claim that I knew what they're thinking. I just personally believe that a hybrid surface would result in much less backlash than a straight artificial option. I'm a traditionalist myself and would be fully on board with such a solution.

I'm just hoping we do the Green Bay style of turf rather than pure turf like you see in domes

That's not what's being discussed, apparently. They're talking about legit "FieldTurf," which is a name brand of 100% artificial surface.

 

[Rocket89]

I don't know ACross or anyone else over there, nor did I intend to claim that I knew what they're thinking. I just personally believe that a hybrid surface would result in much less backlash than a straight artificial option. I'm a traditionalist myself and would be fully on board with such a solution.



That's not what's being discussed, apparently. They're talking about legit "FieldTurf," which is a name brand of 100% artificial surface.

How do you know what is and is not being discussed?

 

[ulukinatme]

Just look at some of the words ACross uses in today's post, and he uses them all the time for different issues: OBLIGATION, HONEST, PATRONIZE, DECEIVE, FORTHRIGHT, UNREASONABLE.

You forgot FULLBACKS

 

[ACamp1900]

just shake my head at all of this...

 

[NDohio]

How do you know what is and is not being discussed?

If NDNation says it is FieldTurf, then it's FieldTurf!

 

[irishog77]

How do you know what is and is not being discussed?

Not being a smart@ss, Eric, but I think he's simply basing that off your post where you alluded to the turf being field turf, and not the hybrid.

As an extension the arguments will inevitably turn to ND Stadium as a multi-use facility. The truth is Notre Dame was going to walk down this path with or without Brian Kelly. Trying to blame the coach for any change misses the mark. The school has already made it abundantly clear that the stadium is going to be renovated and expanded primarily for other non-football related purposes. As such, I really doubt that they are going to spend the outlandish amount of money to try and perfect a Grassmaster field when it might not hold up and FieldTurf is the much easier and sensible solution.

 

[tussin]

If NDNation says it is FieldTurf, then it's FieldTurf!

That's not necessarily true. I've sold a artificial turf business before and the name fieldturf has largely been genericized to describe all artificial turf.

It may very well be actual FieldTurf, but I wouldn't assume so.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

That's not really the problem.

That's part of the hyper-politicization of ND Football made famous at NDNation and is a talking point now being used to drum up a lack of support for the decision making process. This framing of the issue happens all the time as if the Notre Dame President, Athletic Director, and Head Coach should convene a Congressional hearing for this process and if they're not then they're so obviously staying silent on the matter because they know they're doing something wrong.

Doing this moves the argument from the real issue (the playing surface) to a struggle for power, transparency, etc.

Just look at some of the words ACross uses in today's post, and he uses them all the time for different issues: OBLIGATION, HONEST, PATRONIZE, DECEIVE, FORTHRIGHT, UNREASONABLE.

You see, we're never going to find out the intricate details of this decision making process. Why? Because major athletic programs don't find the need to write up 30-page documents detailing how and why they chose a surface for an athletic playing field. Sure someone might ask Swarbrick or Kelly in a press conference, but their answer will never suffice.

That's why ACross and his ilk have to start spreading the "They decided already without looking at other options" rumor. They're laying down the tracks ahead of time for the train they are going to smash the Administration with.

In the event that FieldTurf is installed: SEE I TOLD YOU!

In the event that DessoGrassmaster is installed: OH WELL, SEE OUR EFFORTS HAVE BEEN VINDICATED!

It's really a win-win construct.

Putting all that aside, the real "problem" is that people still want football played on natural grass and other people simply don't care about that. That's the essence of the debate all this other stuff is white noise BS.

As an extension the arguments will inevitably turn to ND Stadium as a multi-use facility. The truth is Notre Dame was going to walk down this path with or without Brian Kelly. Trying to blame the coach for any change misses the mark. The school has already made it abundantly clear that the stadium is going to be renovated and expanded primarily for other non-football related purposes. As such, I really doubt that they are going to spend the outlandish amount of money to try and perfect a Grassmaster field when it might not hold up and FieldTurf is the much easier and sensible solution.

Great post!

I had the incredible pleasure of getting a glimpse of the future of the ND Stadium at the SC game. I believe 100% in the veracity of my experience from that game; everything I heard, saw, was asked, was told, etc., was legitimate. If so the biggest problem being addressed is getting more alums and fans in the stadium seated more comfortably while maintaining some continuity with the tradition, and the feel of the stadium. I am absolutely enamored with the boots on the ground process that is being executed to determine the best plans for moving forward. It is a very boots on the ground process.

When I was in the tech field and we did a project, I got so I could almost predict the level of success of a project. If top management, project planning and the implementation team were all on the same page and on first name basis, it would be a hit. If the Senior Vice-President had no idea where the facility was, or how to get to the desks of the project team located just down the hall from him, the project was fvcked. In this then, I can tell you from what I have seen, will have the personal signature and handshake from the top down.

And these Across NDnationers, I really have no idea who they are and am not interested in catching up on the gossip, think that this project is about field surface first, then they are among the stupidest that have basic typing skills. I would think an intelligent statement would be that other considerations have to be decided upon before the viability of any given field surface can be determined. And that will all happen before a decision is made.