TURF - it's official

[Ndaccountant]

You're probably right. Sadly, I Cannot speak from experience on the fakes.

 

[Irish Insanity]

You've gone too far.

Look at you getting your sleeves all rolled up just to get your ass kicked.

This company fulfills the MSU offer requirement as well, apparently they installed their field as well.

If MSU wants it, I want it

 

[ulukinatme]

Source below. Again this is just one study that I read a few weeks back. Took a little bit to find it. It also was notably using injuries from turf back in 2009, so I'm not sure if that is "first generation" or not.

Study Reveals Higher ACL Tear Rates On Artificial Turf vs. Grass Fields | SidelineSportsDoc Blog – The Source For Sideline Injury Management

The researchers found an incidence rate of 1.42 ACL injuries per 10,000 athlete-exposures on artificial playing surfaces and an incidence rate of 1.24 per 10,000 athlete exposures on natural grass. The rate of ACL injury on artificial surfaces was 1.36 times greater than the injury rate on natural grass. Non-contact injuries also occurred more frequently on artificial turf surfaces, according to the findings. Dr. Dragoo said the rate of injury during games was increased by more than 10 times vs. during practice.

So, per 10,000 athletes, you've got .2 more ACL injuries on Field Turf as oppose to grass. That's nothing, it's not even worth worrying about. As far as the rate of injury being 10 times greater during games as oppose to practice, I suppose that makes sense if the contact is greater in a live game as oppose to maybe 90% in practice most days. Still, you're talking about 6-7 games at home...and even at 10 times the injury rate you're still talking 10ish injuries out of 10,000 athletes. The article points out that the data was strictly taken from injury numbers between 2005-2009. it doesn't evaluate each injury to determine if the field was at fault, or if there were other circumstances (Like a 300 lbs lineman landing on your knee). It goes on further to state that the data doesn't give any specific reason why there's differences between the two surfaces. Finally, the author goes on to state that there may not be a better surface to play on than a perfectly maintained grass field...however, nothing is worse than an improperly maintained field. I think it's safe to say that our field hasn't been properly maintained the last few years.

 

[GoldenDomer]

On the plus side, Stanford still has grass since they can pull it off on the west coast, and I'm sure theres a few teams in the ACC that still support grass given their climate.

I think most of the ACC schools actually use turf. We played for a State Championship 2 years ago at Wake Forest and their stadium is turf.

 

[KPENN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Some great aerial shots of the new turf at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> Stadium courtesy of <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeRaymond52">@JoeRaymond52</a>: <a href="http://t.co/pXLttKAufy">pic.twitter.com/pXLttKAufy</a></p>— Andrew Owens (@BGI_AndrewOwens) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_AndrewOwens/statuses/492459141521481728">July 24, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[GoldenDomer]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Some great aerial shots of the new turf at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> Stadium courtesy of <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeRaymond52">@JoeRaymond52</a>: <a href="http://t.co/pXLttKAufy">pic.twitter.com/pXLttKAufy</a></p>— Andrew Owens (@BGI_AndrewOwens) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_AndrewOwens/statuses/492459141521481728">July 24, 2014</a></blockquote>
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God that is pretty. Show this to all the Grass worshippers.

 

[koonja]

I know they let it go, but still.

 

[ulukinatme]

I know they let it go, but still.

I honestly don't think they just let it go completely. I'm not saying they did their best to make it look good either, but when you consider Purdue's field for their spring game looked exactly the same and they had no plans to transfer to an artificial surface this year, I think it just shows how brutal the winter really was this year.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Some great aerial shots of the new turf at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> Stadium courtesy of <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeRaymond52">@JoeRaymond52</a>: <a href="http://t.co/pXLttKAufy">pic.twitter.com/pXLttKAufy</a></p>— Andrew Owens (@BGI_AndrewOwens) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_AndrewOwens/statuses/492459141521481728">July 24, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Wow that is awesome.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

So, per 10,000 athletes, you've got .2 more ACL injuries on Field Turf as oppose to grass. That's nothing, it's not even worth worrying about. As far as the rate of injury being 10 times greater during games as oppose to practice, I suppose that makes sense if the contact is greater in a live game as oppose to maybe 90% in practice most days. Still, you're talking about 6-7 games at home...and even at 10 times the injury rate you're still talking 10ish injuries out of 10,000 athletes. The article points out that the data was strictly taken from injury numbers between 2005-2009. it doesn't evaluate each injury to determine if the field was at fault, or if there were other circumstances (Like a 300 lbs lineman landing on your knee). It goes on further to state that the data doesn't give any specific reason why there's differences between the two surfaces. Finally, the author goes on to state that there may not be a better surface to play on than a perfectly maintained grass field...however, nothing is worse than an improperly maintained field. I think it's safe to say that our field hasn't been properly maintained the last few years.

First, your points are well taken. Again, it was just stuff that I have read, and I'm sure there are tons of competing studies out there. The ACL injury concern is also based on me playing soccer my whole life, getting to the collegiate level and snapping my ACL my second game on turf. So I'm biased.

But as to the bolded, again that was just an article that I posted referencing the study's findings, not the actual study. The article did not post whether they accounted for certain dependent or independent variables, etc.

 

[RallySonsOfND]

 

[ulukinatme]

First, your points are well taken. Again, it was just stuff that I have read, and I'm sure there are tons of competing studies out there. The ACL injury concern is also based on me playing soccer my whole life, getting to the collegiate level and snapping my ACL my second game on turf. So I'm biased.

But as to the bolded, again that was just an article that I posted referencing the study's findings, not the actual study. The article did not post whether they accounted for certain dependent or independent variables, etc.

If it's any consolation, I tore my MCL on a natural field, and partially tore the other one on a natural field the next year. I never had any injuries on an artificial surface, but then again I only played twice on artificial.

Then...there was this really nasty field in this Podunk town we played on in JV one year...it reeked of manure, and lots of guys got ring worm after the game. That place was disgusting. Fortunately our players will never have to endure anything like that on a collegiate grass field.

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>What ND Stadium did on summer vacation: <a href="http://t.co/8yCNjPoQ6X">pic.twitter.com/8yCNjPoQ6X</a></p>— Matt Cashore (@mattcashore) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattcashore/statuses/492709473245736961">July 25, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[UmphreakDomer]

does anyone know how many strips of sod were sold in total? closest i saw was an article saying over 1,100 had been pre-ordered, but didn't give a specific. just curious.

i have a buddy who has a landscaping business said that same strip 2x5' sod from same company goes for under $4.

 

[ulukinatme]

How much would it cost to Field Turf my lawn? I'm sick of mowing weeds, and I'm tired of trying to fight said weeds importing their way from the nearby field.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

How much would it cost to Field Turf my lawn? I'm sick of mowing weeds, and I'm tired of trying to fight said weeds importing their way from the nearby field.

pssh astroturf is what you're looking for

 

[NCND]

How much would it cost to Field Turf my lawn? I'm sick of mowing weeds, and I'm tired of trying to fight said weeds importing their way from the nearby field.

It's high as hell. But it looks great.

 

[Henges24]

Can anyone explain what the hell that painting on the 20 yard line is?

Edit: Wait, are those the numbers they are going to paint on the field? They seem to be in every picture I've seen. Even the aerials.

 

[Irish Insanity]

How much would it cost to Field Turf my lawn? I'm sick of mowing weeds, and I'm tired of trying to fight said weeds importing their way from the nearby field.

Call the ND grounds crew. I'm sure they can show you how to kill it.

 

[Henges24]

I understand what you are saying, but........

modern era? Really? The University made a business decision to replace the sod that they were having to redo multiple times a year. It's not like ND has said, "To hell with doing things right, we'd rather win every game. That way our fans can feel better about themselves as they try to claim some kind of ridiculous superiority over their friends, coworkers, family, and acquaintances, who are fans of some other team."

If it helps with recruiting, that's great. But I don't think anyone should try to characterize this as some kind of fundamental shift in the University's values or priorities.

Dawg, it's going to be okay. Be easy.

Time.To.Get.With.The.Times.

50 years from now if ND doesn't win a damn championship the 1930s-1980s aren't going to matter anymore. Hell, tradition is already starting to slowly fade.

 

[RallySonsOfND]

How much would it cost to Field Turf my lawn? I'm sick of mowing weeds, and I'm tired of trying to fight said weeds importing their way from the nearby field.

depending on the kind you get, anywhere from $3/ft up to $10+/ft

 

[Crazy Balki]

depending on the kind you get, anywhere from $3/ft up to $10+/ft

I'm assuming that's just for the product, and not the instillation. That would probably be much more expensive than the turf itself.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

How much would it cost to Field Turf my lawn? I'm sick of mowing weeds, and I'm tired of trying to fight said weeds importing their way from the nearby field.

The weeds will grow through it eventually.
I have a field turf dog run and putting green in my backyard.

 

[kmoose]

Dawg, it's going to be okay. Be easy.

Time.To.Get.With.The.Times.

50 years from now if ND doesn't win a damn championship the 1930s-1980s aren't going to matter anymore. Hell, tradition is already starting to slowly fade.

All I was saying is that Field Turf isn't something that indicates the fundamental change in philosophy that I would associate with a new "era" for an organization.

 

[Henges24]

All I was saying is that Field Turf isn't something that indicates the fundamental change in philosophy that I would associate with a new "era" for an organization.

I understand that. But 'new' things are still going to come. Jumbotron,etc. I'd call that a new stadium era.

 

[connor_in]

The weeds will grow through it eventually.
I have a field turf dog run and putting green in my backyard.

Did you put down the concrete, the sand, the rubber, and then the field turf?

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

I put down a limestone foundation instead of crushed concrete, but the rest, yes.

The weeds aren't bad, but I pluck a couple out every few weeks.
It's definitely not a lay and forget about lawn.
You still have to maintain.

I'm considering just spraying some Round Up on it every few weeks like I do my rock gardens.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

How much would it cost to Field Turf my lawn? I'm sick of mowing weeds, and I'm tired of trying to fight said weeds importing their way from the nearby field.

Psst! Go with a good, deep-root system. PM me for more details. Current fescue (non-dwarf) systems require a little fertilizer and no weed killer once established, even in areas that border weeds. Also, and more beneficially, they require little or no water.

Unlike the TV adds the dwarf deep root systems are not up to par, so you still will have to cut grass. In a few years the dwarf, or slow grow, deep root systems will be better and this country will be able to save gazillions on resources currently needed to keep lawns green.

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>There are stripes!

<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NDFB?src=hash">#NDFB</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoIrish?src=hash">#GoIrish</a> <a href="http://t.co/s0mwobqWdZ">pic.twitter.com/s0mwobqWdZ</a></p>— The Turning Point (@TheIrishTP) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheIrishTP/statuses/493788527771934720">July 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Luckylucci]

I think its perfect.