Trump Presidency

[NorthDakota]

Be honest, how many My pillows did you have coming your way?

Egyptian cotton sheets babyy

 

[Blazers46]

Be honest, how many My pillows did you have coming your way?

Stay at n topic and just answer the question. When you can’t answer you just go off an something else. And for the record I have 2 My Pillows and a mattress topper. I sleep great.

 

[arahop]

Stay at n topic and just answer the question. When you can’t answer you just go off an something else. And for the record I have 2 My Pillows and a mattress topper. I sleep great.

Why couldn't he during the debate? That's was his chance on the national stage and he didn't. Why did he tell them to stand by? For the attack on the Capitol?
There's your answer. Little harder to get through to trump nazis south of the Mason Dixon line.

 

[BilboBaggins]

You remember when Biden was asked to denounce Antifa and other groups burning and looting cities? You also remember it was Trump that asked and not Mr Wallace? And you remember he refused to denounce them because their organization is not structured enough to call an organizaion? It would have just been simple enough to just I denounce Antifa... but nope.

1) Even if that were true, that wouldn't make Trump and yourself right...it would make you both hypocrites. You can't really be the team of "Law & Order" if right-wing extremists get the "stand back and stand by," "good people on both sides," "you're very special" treatment.

So it would be condoning violence and being hypocritical. Yikes. Add on the fact that the violence is to FUCKING OVERTURN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION and it's really tough to understand why anyone can take the position you are.

2) Biden and Co. promptly denounced violence, looting, etc, so you're just factually incorrect too.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc

We were specifically talking about the debate. Liberals got their gotcha moment at the debate forgetting Trump has probably denounced more times than the history of Presidents combined. If you can link an article after the fact and claim Biden fully denounced antifa, you would have to make the same for Trump. But you wont.

You know the right-wingers get on 4chan and reddit and acknowledge Trump's doublespeak, coded language, and dog whistles, right?

Imagine doing so bad of a job denouncing right-wing extremists that the right-wing extremists don't take it seriously.

You'd know Trump was actually denouncing right-wing extremists if he didn't read it off a teleprompter and instead called them low-energy losers and any of his other patented insults.

You're out here deflecting and bringing up Biden--the most conservative and least favorite of the summer protestors/rioters--while conveniently ignoring that Donald Trump would fan the flames every chance he got....to the point where his call to arms lead to a kid taking an AR-15 across state lines and murdering someone because he was looking for trouble.

So you think, incorrectly, that Donald Trump somehow gets a pass because of Biden when in reality he failed miserably to calm the situation on either front. It was his obvious intention to do the opposite, fan the flames in the summer and cling to "Law & Order" like he was Nixon reincarnated, and then fan the flames of insurrection because he needs to cling to his base for post-Presidential relevance.

What's next? But her emails? Benghazi?

 

[Legacy]

BB is on point with the real threat of domestic terrorism threats today as Toronto is with the false comparison and BLM and Antifa and their composition and loose organization.

Playing up the law and order theme appeals to those less aware of FBI and DHS alerts and information to Congress. After Charleston, Trump even cut the domestic terrorism budget of the FBI resulting in one third the number of agents working on this. The point of that is to trace not only the groups like the Proud Boys, which has expanded throughout the U.S. and is connecting with other violent extremist groups internationally but to trace the funding sources.

The appearances at their rallies is three fold - recruitment, increasing funding and establishing connections with likeminded groups. The latter is not necessarily to just those who have demonstrated violence, but to gather sympathetic people who buy into the lawlessness, taking the country back, constitutional rights, or just culture war BS.

A few of ways of funding are crowdsourcing, cryptocurrency and big right wing donors. This is not limited to individuals. Those intent on violence at the Stop the Steal rally had money for travel, accommodation and supplies not only for themselves but were offering it to those who bought into the theme that the election was stolen.

The strawmen of Marxist BLM and the dreaded Antifa provide some cover. Let me know when those get to anywhere near that type of threat. But that does appeal to some who are unaware of FBI, DHS, and Congressional hearings info. That fuels certain political agendas. At least we avoided four more years of turning a blind eye to the real threats.

 

[Blazers46]

Why couldn't he during the debate? That's was his chance on the national stage and he didn't. Why did he tell them to stand by? For the attack on the Capitol?
There's your answer. Little harder to get through to trump nazis south of the Mason Dixon line.

Same question with Joe Biden... why couldn't he during the debate? That was his chance on the national stage and he didn't. When you are asked the same question over and over and over and over again chances are you will give them a sound bite. Its like in baseball you have 100 at bats and 100 hits and that 101st time you strike out and you suck again.

Side-note... Can we ban this fool for going around calling people Trump Nazis? I don't mind the discourse although this guy seems to be swinging wildly and riding that line.

 

[arahop]

Same question with Joe Biden... why couldn't he during the debate? That was his chance on the national stage and he didn't. When you are asked the same question over and over and over and over again chances are you will give them a sound bite. Its like in baseball you have 100 at bats and 100 hits and that 101st time you strike out and you suck again.

Side-note... Can we ban this fool for going around calling people Trump Nazis? I don't mind the discourse although this guy seems to be swinging wildly and riding that line.

Reread my link above.
Biden did denounce them.
That's exactly what the people who stormed the Capitol are/were
trump nazis,

If you want to be a sympathizer and defend them go ahead.
Banned for calling them what they are?
If that offends you? Like I said, we know where you stand pal.

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." Martin Luther King Jr.

 

[Blazers46]

1) Even if that were true, that wouldn't make Trump and yourself right...it would make you both hypocrites. You can't really be the team of "Law & Order" if right-wing extremists get the "stand back and stand by," "good people on both sides," "you're very special" treatment.

So it would be condoning violence and being hypocritical. Yikes. Add on the fact that the violence is to FUCKING OVERTURN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION and it's really tough to understand why anyone can take the position you are.

2) Biden and Co. promptly denounced violence, looting, etc, so you're just factually incorrect too.

Please explain. I am just simply stating Biden, similar to Trump and Proud Boys, had an opportunity at the Debate to denounce Antifa and he refused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-q-drlJg1U

Lets watch the attached video together.

Wallace prefaces everything by saying to Trump... that he has continually called out Biden to call out Antifa and other left-wing extremist groups.... BUT Mr Wallace totally changes course and asks Trump the very same question he asked in 2016 debate and the very same question Trump has answered seemingly every time someone has the ability to ask him a question. Trump gives you the soundbite heard around the world. But if you continue to listen Trump then tries to get Biden to condemn Antifa and Biden refuses. Instead of following up, Wallace got his soundbite so immediately shuts down the whole conversation.

 

[Blazers46]

Reread my link above.
Biden did denounce them.
That's exactly what the people who stormed the Capitol are/were
trump nazis,

If you want to be a sympathizer and defend them go ahead.
Banned for calling them what they are?
If that offends you? Like I said, we know where you stand pal.

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." Martin Luther King Jr.

So you reference that one time Biden denounced Antifa... I just gave you a link where Trump Condemned white supremacy like 30 times. But you are stuck at the debate where Trump and Biden BOTH did not denounce ANYONE.

I am not defending Trump... I am just saying if you tar and feather Trump for this one soundbite where is your outrage over Biden and his one soundbite where he was given the same opportunity to condemn a far left group and did not? Problem is you dont give a sh*t.

 

[Blazers46]

You know the right-wingers get on 4chan and reddit and acknowledge Trump's doublespeak, coded language, and dog whistles, right?

Imagine doing so bad of a job denouncing right-wing extremists that the right-wing extremists don't take it seriously.

You'd know Trump was actually denouncing right-wing extremists if he didn't read it off a teleprompter and instead called them low-energy losers and any of his other patented insults.

You're out here deflecting and bringing up Biden--the most conservative and least favorite of the summer protestors/rioters--while conveniently ignoring that Donald Trump would fan the flames every chance he got....to the point where his call to arms lead to a kid taking an AR-15 across state lines and murdering someone because he was looking for trouble.

So you think, incorrectly, that Donald Trump somehow gets a pass because of Biden when in reality he failed miserably to calm the situation on either front. It was his obvious intention to do the opposite, fan the flames in the summer and cling to "Law & Order" like he was Nixon reincarnated, and then fan the flames of insurrection because he needs to cling to his base for post-Presidential relevance.

What's next? But her emails? Benghazi?

Where did I say Trump gets a pass? Trump failed to condemn a far right group... that equated to outrage. Biden failed to condemn a far left group and crickets. Where did I ever say Trump gets a pass?

and to the bolded... sounds like conspiracy mumbo jumbo.

 

[GoIrish41]

Where did I say Trump gets a pass? Trump failed to condemn a far right group... that equated to outrage. Biden failed to condemn a far left group and crickets. Where did I ever say Trump gets a pass?

and to the bolded... sounds like conspiracy mumbo jumbo.

I’m like the fourth person who has said this, but Biden condemned “antifa” and violence from the beginning. Ignoring that fact doesn’t make it go away. It just makes you sound silly.

 

[IrishLax]

I’m like the fourth person who has said this, but Biden condemned “antifa” and violence from the beginning. Ignoring that fact doesn’t make it go away. It just makes you sound silly.

Right, he strongly condemned all the violence and property destruction *immediately* after it happened. And then he continued to do so for repeatedly throughout the protests. Links to his statements and speeches have been posted here repeatedly.

I don't understand how or why people still perpetuate the lie that Biden is somehow pro-ANTIFA or pro-violence.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Where did I say Trump gets a pass? Trump failed to condemn a far right group... that equated to outrage. Biden failed to condemn a far left group and crickets. Where did I ever say Trump gets a pass?

and to the bolded... sounds like conspiracy mumbo jumbo.

Conspiracy mumbo jumbo is exactly what those idiots are buying. I didn't say it was logical lol

Like are you going to sit there and ignore the festering conspiracy theory cesspool that has taken over much of the Republican Party? It starts with Clinton Foundation and before you know it there are a few millions Qanon folks and people storming the capital over a stolen election.

The problem is that Trump knows these idiots eat it up and continues to doublespeak. Stand back and stand by.

 

[Blazers46]

I’m like the fourth person who has said this, but Biden condemned “antifa” and violence from the beginning. Ignoring that fact doesn’t make it go away. It just makes you sound silly.

I have NEVER said Biden has not EVER condemned anything. I am just saying if this guy just wants to point out that one time at the debate about Trump why can he not acknowledge that one time in the debate with Biden? The retort seems to be "well he did that one time". Cool... but you could make the same argument for Trump.

 

[Blazers46]

Right, he strongly condemned all the violence and property destruction *immediately* after it happened. And then he continued to do so for repeatedly throughout the protests. Links to his statements and speeches have been posted here repeatedly.

I don't understand how or why people still perpetuate the lie that Biden is somehow pro-ANTIFA or pro-violence.

I have NEVER said Biden has not EVER condemned anything. I am just saying if this guy just wants to point out that one time at the debate about Trump why can he not acknowledge that one time in the debate with Biden? The retort seems to be "well he did that one time". Cool... but you could make the same argument for Trump.

 

[Blazers46]

Conspiracy mumbo jumbo is exactly what those idiots are buying. I didn't say it was logical lol

Like are you going to sit there and ignore the festering conspiracy theory cesspool that has taken over much of the Republican Party? It starts with Clinton Foundation and before you know it there are a few millions Qanon folks and people storming the capital over a stolen election.

The problem is that Trump knows these idiots eat it up and continues to doublespeak. Stand back and stand by.

I have NEVER said Biden has not EVER condemned anything. I am just saying if this guy just wants to point out that one time at the debate about Trump why can he not acknowledge that one time in the debate with Biden? The retort seems to be "well he did that one time". Cool... but you could make the same argument for Trump.

 

[arahop]

So you reference that one time Biden denounced Antifa... I just gave you a link where Trump Condemned white supremacy like 30 times. But you are stuck at the debate where Trump and Biden BOTH did not denounce ANYONE.

I am not defending Trump... I am just saying if you tar and feather Trump for this one soundbite where is your outrage over Biden and his one soundbite where he was given the same opportunity to condemn a far left group and did not? Problem is you dont give a sh*t.

Biden wasn't directly asked to at the debate and hasn't said anything other wise to condone violent behavior. He says violence should be prosecuted and then gets cut off. Never really had the chance to.

trumpers think that because he has to answer a question that Biden has to?

This never ended up fuelling those the trump nazis did it?
https://youtu.be/-eAIKBspVEQ

Cause(misinformation, stir up hate groups)
Meet Effect
( the attack on the Capitol and American Democracy)
45 is responsible and should be held accountable.

Or his "pre war" with his trump nazi generals before the Election was to be approved?

Not trying to change your mind bub, I just can't tolerate sympathizers to what happened.

If you want to keep on, keeping on that's fine.
You're part of the problem not the solution.

Best of luck to you and I really mean that.

 

[Old Man Mike]

This sort of implacable bone stone crap-commentary has my finger on the NEG button. Hopefully someone more powerful has their finger on the hammer button. ... but maybe this is somehow entertainment for the guys responding to it, so, OK.

Really fills the thread with unproductive noise, though.

 

[drayer54]

Here you go
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...ndemned-antifa-violent-protests-idUSKBN2712ZA

Have anymore false radical right/ false realities I can help with?

That’s the biggest joke. He was silent as cops were getting killed, stores destroyed, livelihoods ruined, and cities set on fire. His convention, like mainstream news would lead you believe it never occurred. His staff and vp were promoting bail relief for arsonists and violent criminals. Saying that he denounced antifa and the left wing violence is laughable.

 

[GoIrish41]

That’s the biggest joke. He was silent as cops were getting killed, stores destroyed, livelihoods ruined, and cities set on fire. His convention, like mainstream news would lead you believe it never occurred. His staff and vp were promoting bail relief for arsonists and violent criminals. Saying that he denounced antifa and the left wing violence is laughable.

Oh. You must not have seen the video of him doing it time and again.

 

[Blazers46]

Biden wasn't directly asked to at the debate and hasn't said anything other wise to condone violent behavior. He says violence should be prosecuted and then gets cut off. Never really had the chance to.

trumpers think that because he has to answer a question that Biden has to?

This never ended up fuelling those the trump nazis did it?
https://youtu.be/-eAIKBspVEQ

Cause(misinformation, stir up hate groups)
Meet Effect
( the attack on the Capitol and American Democracy)
45 is responsible and should be held accountable.

Or his "pre war" with his trump nazi generals before the Election was to be approved?

Not trying to change your mind bub, I just can't tolerate sympathizers to what happened.

If you want to keep on, keeping on that's fine.
You're part of the problem not the solution.

Best of luck to you and I really mean that.

Don't you think that in itself is a problem? Wallace lead into his question to trump basically talking about the radical left but we somehow get to the Trump-Proud Boys question. We have this burning of cities by the radical left and here we are... lets take this moment to condemn white supremacy for the millionth time? When Trump starts to pressure is Biden is when its completely shut down.

 

[Blazers46]

Oh. You must not have seen the video of him doing it time and again.

Trump or Biden?

 

[Legacy]

I expect Biden to restore and increase funding for federal law enforcement for domestic terrorism, restore the funding for police forces Trump stopped, and increase funding to fight these highly organized terrorist and paramilitary groups. The FBI and DHS will trace their roots but it will take some time. Shut down their communication and funding sources. Until recently they also used PayPal, etc for transactions. Expect Congress to be behind this in a big way and anything else he wants. Good idea to lockdown the prisons prior to the Inauguration.

 

[arahop]

This sort of implacable bone stone crap-commentary has my finger on the NEG button. Hopefully someone more powerful has their finger on the hammer button. ... but maybe this is somehow entertainment for the guys responding to it, so, OK.

Really fills the thread with unproductive noise, though.

OMM if you're referring to me? Please let me know where I was out of line. I'm fine with NEG reps. No worries there. I'm just not going to entertain "whataboutisms" that belittle and make light of what happened and to what IMO undoubtedly fueled those terrorists.

What should we refer to those that marched into the Capitol building?
Solid citizens? Patriots?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I expect Biden to restore and increase funding for federal law enforcement for domestic terrorism, restore the funding for police forces Trump stopped, and increase funding to fight these highly organized terrorist and paramilitary groups. The FBI and DHS will trace their roots but it will take some time. Shut down their communication and funding sources. Until recently they also used PayPal, etc for transactions. Expect Congress to be behind this in a big way and anything else he wants. Good idea to lockdown the prisons prior to the Inauguration.

I’d expect Biden to do pretty much the exact opposite of Trumps admin. I think our quick dabble into how easily an authoritarian could seize power in our honor system of a government has opened our eyes. Next time this is tried they won’t be fucking inept morons but much more polished and capable. This can never happen again.

 

[Legacy]

FBI director says antifa is an ideology, not an organization (AP news, Sept 17, 2020)

Also, from Wray's testimony to Congress, (Sept 17, 2020)

The top threat we face from domestic violent extremists stems from those we identify as racially/ethnically motivated violent extremists (RMVE). RMVEs were the primary source of ideologically motivated lethal incidents and violence in 2018 and 2019 and have been considered the most lethal of all domestic extremists since 2001. Of note, the last three DVE attacks, however, were perpetrated by anti-government violent extremists.

The spate of attacks we saw in 2019 underscore the continued threat posed by DVEs and perpetrators of hate crimes. The FBI works proactively to prevent acts of domestic terrorism and hate crimes. For example, in November 2019, the Denver Joint Terrorism Task Force arrested Richard Holzer on federal charges of attempting to obstruct religious exercise by force using explosives. This disruption is just one example of the strength of our Domestic Terrorism-Hate Crimes (DT-HC) Fusion Cell. Our Counterterrorism Division (CTD) and Criminal Division (CID), working together, were able to prevent a potential terrorist attack before it occurred and, for the first time in recent history, make a proactive arrest on a hate crimes charge. Through the DT-HC Fusion Cell, subject-matter experts from both CTD and CID work in tandem to innovatively use investigative tools and bring multiple perspectives to bear in combating the intersecting threats of domestic terrorism and hate crimes, preventing attacks and providing justice to victims.

DVEs (domestic violent extremists) pose a steady and evolving threat of violence and economic harm to the United States. Trends may shift, but the underlying drivers for domestic violent extremism—such as perceptions of government or law enforcement overreach, sociopolitical conditions, racism, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, misogyny, and reactions to legislative actions—remain constant. As stated above, the FBI is most concerned about lone offender attacks, primarily shootings, as they have served as the dominant lethal mode for domestic violent extremist attacks. More deaths were caused by DVEs than international terrorists in recent years. In fact, 2019 was the deadliest year for domestic extremist violence since the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.

 

[BilboBaggins]

The fact that were even talking about summer riots a week after a President encouraged a fucking insurrection is really bizarre. The whataboutisms are beyond useless.

 

[Blazers46]

The fact that were even talking about summer riots a week after a President encouraged a fucking insurrection is really bizarre. The whataboutisms are beyond useless.

I agree. My man was just saying Trump did not condemn at the debate and I just simply stated, when pressured, Biden had the chance and did not either... and here we are. According to him I am a Nazi just for stating such.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

OMM if you're referring to me? Please let me know where I was out of line. I'm fine with NEG reps. No worries there. I'm just not going to entertain "whataboutisms" that belittle and make light of what happened and to what IMO undoubtedly fueled those terrorists.

What should we refer to those that marched into the Capitol building?
Solid citizens? Patriots?

If you use a few brain cells and 2+2 still equals 4 in your reality, you can be opposed to any citizen breaking our laws regardless of their cause or motivation. The people who stormed the capitol should be on the same cell block as the people who attacked the federal courthouse in Portland this summer.

See how easy that is?

It's not whataboutism. It's holding everyone to the same standards.