Trump Presidency

[arahop]

Basically where I am at the moment. You'd think a sitting POTUS attempting this level of undemocratic nonsense would be a unifier for the country, in that literally EVERYONE should be opposing him on these actions. I guess that's the level of tribalism we face. By any means necessary, as long as my team wins.

Tribalism indeed.

 

[Irish YJ]

Basically where I am at the moment. You'd think a sitting POTUS attempting this level of undemocratic nonsense would be a unifier for the country, in that literally EVERYONE should be opposing him on these actions. I guess that's the level of tribalism we face. By any means necessary, as long as my team wins.

You'd think the attempts of a party to undermine an election 4 years ago with the collusion delusion, and repeatedly through 4 years, would be a unifier too. It wasn't. When it was discovered that HRC paid for the dossier that started the investigation, nobody on the left cared. When they pivoted to "Page" was the spark in the investigation, and it was found that it too was bogus, nobody on the left cared. When it was clear there was abuse in FISA courts, nobody cared. When it came to light Obama, Biden, and the FBI were all made aware by the CIA that HRC planned in advanced to link Trump to Russia, nobody cared.

Yes, I'd say tribalism is an issue. By any means necessary, yes.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Dude in what way do you get to say liberals hate God and Country while republicans stand firmly behind the most Godless man one can imagine and are well and truly putting party ahead of country? There are countless liberals who have God in their lives that try to practice what he preached, you know, helping others and condemning the wealthy, among others. Republicans are more godly because of the issue of abortion? Nonsense. Absolute nonsense. They may say they’re more religious, but they sure as shit don’t act like it. And delaying the transition in the middle of a pandemic is one of the more damning examples of putting party over country that could possibly happen. The idea conservatives think they hold some sort of superiority over liberals when it comes to god and country is utter nonsense, full stop.

It's not nonsense. This isn't a new topic here, but the Democratic party of our grandparents is long gone. Modern day American leftists tend to be less religious and the extreme ones go out of their way to try removing Christianity wherever possible. It isn't difficult to find examples of this. I recognize there are still Democrats who go to church and believe in God, but the strongest and most vocal atheists and anti-religion folks are also on the left side of the spectrum.

America isn't a perfect place, but it's without a doubt the most prosperous society ever known to mankind. And no one hates it more than the some of the most prominent leftists in America:

Obama trashed America for 8 years
Pelosi literally thinks people starve and die if not for her...."we feed people." Talk about that moral superiority.
AOC pushes the beauty of "democratic socialism" weekly.

 

[TorontoGold]

Basically where I am at the moment. You'd think a sitting POTUS attempting this level of undemocratic nonsense would be a unifier for the country, in that literally EVERYONE should be opposing him on these actions. I guess that's the level of tribalism we face. By any means necessary, as long as my team wins.

Never underestimate some people's love for chaos I guess. It's just wild the justification some people give. I guess if you feel slighted you're allowed to do anything.

Their alt-right heros are going nuts still about HRC lmao

 

[BleedBlueGold]

You'd think the attempts of a party to undermine an election 4 years ago with the collusion delusion, and repeatedly through 4 years, would be a unifier too. It wasn't. When it was discovered that HRC paid for the dossier that started the investigation, nobody on the left cared. When they pivoted to "Page" was the spark in the investigation, and it was found that it too was bogus, nobody on the left cared. When it was clear there was abuse in FISA courts, nobody cared. When it came to light Obama, Biden, and the FBI were all made aware by the CIA that HRC planned in advanced to link Trump to Russia, nobody cared.

Yes, I'd say tribalism is an issue. By any means necessary, yes.

I said this is the mirror image to 2016 the other day. I completely agree with you. I'm just aggravated by the "same song, different dance" aspect of this. The hypocrisy among our leaders and MSM is nauseating.

Tbh, I'm not at all shocked by the reaction of a lot of Trump voters to assume and believe that this election was rigged and stolen from Trump. The last four years has been nothing but the Left and the MSM's attempts to delegitimize Trump, impeach him in the House, etc. All this talk about tossing the Electoral College and packing the courts, etc. I can see why people might feel the Dems "finally did it...They finally got him out of office and they rigged the election to accomplish it." However, there is no evidence to support that. GOP leaders, almost entirely, have jumped on board with these crazy conspiracies. And the sitting POTUS is actively trying to get votes overturned, etc in order to stay in office. This is lunacy.

 

[Irish YJ]

I said this is the mirror image to 2016 the other day. I completely agree with you. I'm just aggravated by the "same song, different dance" aspect of this. The hypocrisy among our leaders and MSM is nauseating.

Tbh, I'm not at all shocked by the reaction of a lot of Trump voters to assume and believe that this election was rigged and stolen from Trump. The last four years has been nothing but the Left and the MSM's attempts to delegitimize Trump, impeach him in the House, etc. All this talk about tossing the Electoral College and packing the courts, etc. I can see why people might feel the Dems "finally did it...They finally got him out of office and they rigged the election to accomplish it." However, there is no evidence to support that. GOP leaders, almost entirely, have jumped on board with these crazy conspiracies. And the sitting POTUS is actively trying to get votes overturned, etc in order to stay in office. This is lunacy.

reps.

I agree there's some lunacy. But I also fully understand a lot of folks not trusting things. I've seen a lot of sketchy things here in GA. In just my neighborhood, I, and my neighbors have had door knockers offer to register, "help" us fill out a ballot, and help mail it. Ballot harvesting however is illegal in GA... And I live in a very mixed neighborhood.

The mass ballot mailing in a lot of places have degraded trust in general. And there's enough other silly stuff going on to degrade trust. Given the stuff that's gone on the last 4 years, it's doesn't take an awful lot for folks to doubt things. The stuff like Acamp described at the polls happened here as well. Several of my friends experienced similar things.

Combine all those things with the lack of checks, the left's history of fighting reasonable checks, as well as making it as hard as possible to prove anything, well, it is what it is. Make it muddy, keep it muddy, etc.. It's the wild west in terms of the process.

When the left starts calling out the lunacy of 4 years ago, and the last 4 years in general, I'll start to care more about the lunacy I see from others. It's sad that's it's come to this, but it is what it is.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

It's not nonsense. This isn't a new topic here, but the Democratic party of our grandparents is long gone. Modern day American leftists tend to be less religious and the extreme ones go out of their way to try removing Christianity wherever possible. It isn't difficult to find examples of this. I recognize there are still Democrats who go to church and believe in God, but the strongest and most vocal atheists and anti-religion folks are also on the left side of the spectrum.

America isn't a perfect place, but it's without a doubt the most prosperous society ever known to mankind. And no one hates it more than the some of the most prominent leftists in America:

Obama trashed America for 8 years
Pelosi literally thinks people starve and die if not for her...."we feed people." Talk about that moral superiority.
AOC pushes the beauty of "democratic socialism" weekly.

Yes, most non-believers are on the left, but it’s far fewer than Fox News would have you believe. The whole “liberals hate god an country” is tired. It’s because I love this country and what it stands for is the reason I would never want to take away your right to worship, and I don’t personally know any non-believers who want that either.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Yes, most non-believers are on the left, but it’s far fewer than Fox News would have you believe. The whole “liberals hate god an country” is tired. It’s because I love this country and what it stands for is the reason I would never want to take away your right to worship, and I don’t personally know any non-believers who want that either.

I respect that and while you may not hold that position, many on the Left have the mindset that, "if you don't agree with me you should be silenced or you're racist, sexist, xenophobic etc" and that is dangerous territory.

Conservatives and libertarians don't burn down cities if things don't go their way. They don't hit cops with laser pens in the eye. They don't destroy buildings. They don't steal from retail stores. They aren't advocating for CNN and MSNBC to be taken off the air. They might think you're insane or painfully misguided, but they don't want to strip you of your first amendment rights.

The modern US left can't say the same.

 

[IrishLax]

Wild development, Trump now trying to distance himself from Sidney Powell:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Um she was at the nearly 2-hour press conference w Giuliani and Trump mentioned her in a tweet. Hard to put the toothpaste back etc <a href="https://t.co/Rd1PD5WFi2">pic.twitter.com/Rd1PD5WFi2</a></p>— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) <a href="https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1330638702062825472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Bluto]

I respect that and while you may not hold that position, many on the Left have the mindset that, "if you don't agree with me you should be silenced or you're racist, sexist, xenophobic etc" and that is dangerous territory.

Conservatives and libertarians don't burn down cities if things don't go their way. They don't hit cops with laser pens in the eye. They don't destroy buildings. They don't steal from retail stores. They aren't advocating for CNN and MSNBC to be taken off the air. They might think you're insane or painfully misguided, but they don't want to strip you of your first amendment rights.

The modern US left can't say the same.

You do realize that you typed that while a sitting GOP president is refusing to concede and meddling in the process of an election he clearly lost?

 

[NorthDakota]

You do realize that you typed that while a sitting GOP president is refusing to concede and meddling in the process of an election he clearly lost?

I dont believe his point or your observation are in conflict with one another.

 

[ulukinatme]

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Does this even embed on ol' IE? Maybe.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

You do realize that you typed that while a sitting GOP president is refusing to concede and meddling in the process of an election he clearly lost?

That has no correlation to my post.

 

[drayer54]

You do realize that you typed that while a sitting GOP president is refusing to concede and meddling in the process of an election he clearly lost?

So?

He has the right to file a lawsuit and the courts will (and are) treat them appropriately.

Everything Leppy said is true.

 

[Legacy]

From: 8 Signs of Narcissistic Rage
Narcissistic rage and its destructive consequences.

Excerpt:

Narcissistic rage can be defined as intense anger, aggression, or passive-aggression when a narcissist experiences a setback or disappointment, which shatters his (or her) illusions of grandiosity, entitlement, and superiority, and triggers inner inadequacy, shame, and vulnerability.

Examples of narcissistic rage range from intense outbursts and sudden fits of anger, to passive-aggressive acts such as simmering resentment, icy silence, deliberate neglect, or cutting sarcasm. What distinguishes narcissistic rage from normal anger is that it is usually unreasonable, disproportional, and cuttingly aggressive (or intensely passive-aggressive), all because the narcissists’ wants and wishes are not being catered to. It is a blow to their superficial, idealized self-image.

This is especially destructive in someone with a narcissistic personality disorder.

 

[NorthDakota]

From: 8 Signs of Narcissistic Rage
Narcissistic rage and its destructive consequences.

Excerpt:


This is especially destructive in someone with a narcissistic personality disorder.

What does this have to do with anything?

 

[Old Man Mike]

LOL

 

[Old Man Mike]

On a more serious note: Trump needs at the least to actively facilitate the boots-on-the-ground transition workers who will need to have all the mind-bogglingly complex government offices running when the actual formal transition ritual occurs.

This is not "funny stuff" to be amused by. Particularly in the gigantic complexes of Homeland Security and Military Operations and Foreign Intelligence, there are things constantly rumbling/stewing/beginning to boil which new pyramidal administrators and their trusted in-office people must be as fully aware of as possible. These yet-to-be formally-appointed higher ups must understand the complexities because it is they who receive the myriad of action-imminent materials, prioritize them, and bring the needed agenda items up the chain of officials ending up in the Cabinet and on the desk of the President. You don't walk out of your law office (or wherever) one day and into a big administrative seat and say to your office manager: Hey!! What's Happening??"

This vital transition period could be largely facilitated even if some POTUS thought he might win a recount. All such transitional "employees" are thoroughly vetted for loyalties and levels of security clearances. They, if anyone, can be trusted with their departmental information. Their learning curve on new jobs must start ASAP.

This is why the group of former Reagan, Bush1, Bush2, and Trump National Security Advisors said that Trump needs to get out of the way of the transition. There are very big stakes here --- national and international security stakes. Things FAR beyond any individual. Homeland Security isn't a democrat or a republican office. The USAF or Navy isn't either. The CIA or FBI isn't either. These administrators-to-be need to be brought up to full speed. Unless someone is an anarchist, then that should be pretty easy to see. I WANT the intel agencies hot and sharp and 24/7 with no days off and no transitional gaps in decision-makings. The world of bastards has just seen what one "bug" can do. I want every such wannabee group squashed out before they can get anything actually released. If you don't think that "they" are thinking about it, I don't have any help for you.

 

[TorontoGold]

I respect that and while you may not hold that position, many on the Left have the mindset that, "if you don't agree with me you should be silenced or you're racist, sexist, xenophobic etc" and that is dangerous territory.

Conservatives and libertarians don't burn down cities if things don't go their way. They don't hit cops with laser pens in the eye. They don't destroy buildings. They don't steal from retail stores. They aren't advocating for CNN and MSNBC to be taken off the air. They might think you're insane or painfully misguided, but they don't want to strip you of your first amendment rights.

The modern US left can't say the same.

Think you missed the italics there.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Who are these 5 people and why are they now infamous, Dan? <a href="https://t.co/PsXiktTWOi">https://t.co/PsXiktTWOi</a> <a href="https://t.co/J6QxuPSHMp">pic.twitter.com/J6QxuPSHMp</a></p>— Kno (@Kno) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kno/status/1328038648961331200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[NorthDakota]

Think you missed the italics there.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Who are these 5 people and why are they now infamous, Dan? <a href="https://t.co/PsXiktTWOi">https://t.co/PsXiktTWOi</a> <a href="https://t.co/J6QxuPSHMp">pic.twitter.com/J6QxuPSHMp</a></p>— Kno (@Kno) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kno/status/1328038648961331200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This logic is bad. Be better lol.

 

[TorontoGold]

This logic is bad. Be better lol.

These are Conservatives. lol

 

[IrishLax]

Michigan just voted to certify. 3 in favor, 1 abstain.

That'll do it. Hard to envision any amount of hijinks affecting the results at this point.

 

[johnnycando]

Michigan just voted to certify. 3 in favor, 1 abstain.

That'll do it. Hard to envision any amount of hijinks affecting the results at this point.

I mean besides reviewing affidavits and evidence.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

From: 8 Signs of Narcissistic Rage
Narcissistic rage and its destructive consequences.

Excerpt:


This is especially destructive in someone with a narcissistic personality disorder.

Obama has now published 3 books, all with the primary topic being Obama. What category does he fall into?

 

[Bluto]

These are Conservatives. lol

Lol. It’s like Oklahoma City never happened.

This “conservatives are just a bunch of good time Charlie’s” and the “radical left” comprised of a relatively handful of loosely organized hooligans is some huge threat to democracy narrative while a sitting GOP president (ie the most powerful individual in the world) is actively subverting democracy is pretty fucking stupid.

 

[yankeehater]

Lol. It’s like Oklahoma City never happened.

This “conservatives are just a bunch of good time Charlie’s” and the “radical left” comprised of a relatively handful of loosely organized hooligans is some huge threat to democracy narrative while a sitting GOP president (ie the most powerful individual in the world) is actively subverting democracy is pretty fucking stupid.

So you consider BLM and Antifa a handful of loosely organized hooligans? If anything, they are highly funded by Wall Street and Hollywood. Maybe this should be in the Obama thread as that is when it all began. Here is a trip back to 2016 when BLM was asking for violence to be perpetuated against police which resulting in the ambush killing of five officers at one of their events. I love how the article states it was "a peaceful protest" until the murders happened.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/202...gles-to-reconcile-legacy-with-ongoing-unrest/

As far as the GOP President, I guess you missed the last transition of power where the outgoing administration spied on the incoming administration.

 

[NorthDakota]

Lol. It’s like Oklahoma City never happened.

This “conservatives are just a bunch of good time Charlie’s” and the “radical left” comprised of a relatively handful of loosely organized hooligans is some huge threat to democracy narrative while a sitting GOP president (ie the most powerful individual in the world) is actively subverting democracy is pretty fucking stupid.

Putting the Florida kid and Wisconsin kid in the same category as Timothy McVeigh is fucking dumb. Again, be better.

FL kid...was there any suggestion that his shooting was politically motivated?

WI kid...he may get off on self-defense. Under any circumstance, I don't know that it would be appropriate to toss him in with the others. The video makes it pretty clear his goal isn't to kill a bunch of people.

Seems odd to classify a group of people who tried barricading Federal employees inside of a building they attempted to light on fire as "handful of . . . hooligans" but go off King lol. That's without mentioning turning the dude who tried blowing up an ICE facility into a martyr.

I have no idea who the other guys are so I have no comment on them but judging from the two I do know, it seems like a hodgepodge and comparing those two to McVeigh is bad.

 

[Irish#1]

LOL

TBH, I'm not sure why Legacy posted that. Everyone pretty much knows Trump is narcissistic.

On a more serious note: Trump needs at the least to actively facilitate the boots-on-the-ground transition workers who will need to have all the mind-bogglingly complex government offices running when the actual formal transition ritual occurs.

This is not "funny stuff" to be amused by. Particularly in the gigantic complexes of Homeland Security and Military Operations and Foreign Intelligence, there are things constantly rumbling/stewing/beginning to boil which new pyramidal administrators and their trusted in-office people must be as fully aware of as possible. These yet-to-be formally-appointed higher ups must understand the complexities because it is they who receive the myriad of action-imminent materials, prioritize them, and bring the needed agenda items up the chain of officials ending up in the Cabinet and on the desk of the President. You don't walk out of your law office (or wherever) one day and into a big administrative seat and say to your office manager: Hey!! What's Happening??"

This vital transition period could be largely facilitated even if some POTUS thought he might win a recount. All such transitional "employees" are thoroughly vetted for loyalties and levels of security clearances. They, if anyone, can be trusted with their departmental information. Their learning curve on new jobs must start ASAP.

This is why the group of former Reagan, Bush1, Bush2, and Trump National Security Advisors said that Trump needs to get out of the way of the transition. There are very big stakes here --- national and international security stakes. Things FAR beyond any individual. Homeland Security isn't a democrat or a republican office. The USAF or Navy isn't either. The CIA or FBI isn't either. These administrators-to-be need to be brought up to full speed. Unless someone is an anarchist, then that should be pretty easy to see. I WANT the intel agencies hot and sharp and 24/7 with no days off and no transitional gaps in decision-makings. The world of bastards has just seen what one "bug" can do. I want every such wannabee group squashed out before they can get anything actually released. If you don't think that "they" are thinking about it, I don't have any help for you.

Agree, need to get moving forward.

 

[Blazers46]

Think you missed the italics there.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Who are these 5 people and why are they now infamous, Dan? <a href="https://t.co/PsXiktTWOi">https://t.co/PsXiktTWOi</a> <a href="https://t.co/J6QxuPSHMp">pic.twitter.com/J6QxuPSHMp</a></p>— Kno (@Kno) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kno/status/1328038648961331200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You give an example 5 radicals... meanwhile whole cities are being burned to the ground by the left and not one person is really condemning them on the left. The now infamous proud boys moment at the presidential debate Chris Wallace prefaced his question to Trump by telling him that he has asked Biden to condemn antifa and other groups (BLM) burning cities but will he condemn white supremacy (even though Chris Wallace asked him this very same question in a 2016 presidential debate. But when Trump pressed Biden to condemn the left wing nuts Chris Wallace moved to the next topic.

This is like the left pointing out that smoking might kill a person on the right while the left is standing inside a burning building.

 

[Blazers46]

Lol. It’s like Oklahoma City never happened.

This “conservatives are just a bunch of good time Charlie’s” and the “radical left” comprised of a relatively handful of loosely organized hooligans is some huge threat to democracy narrative while a sitting GOP president (ie the most powerful individual in the world) is actively subverting democracy is pretty fucking stupid.

Oklahoma City was a few men. How many people have looted and burned cities to the ground just this year in 2020?