Trump Presidency

[ulukinatme]

"I'm not gonna even both to listen but I shall opine on it none the less!"

I hope you don't take that as shaming you. Lol.

It's really stupid, I don't know why you keep pushing this...but because you want to die on this hill, I went and found a transcript of the podcast on the Intercept.

https://theintercept.com/2020/10/16/deconstructed-branstad-china/

It's everything I thought it would be. Trump is soft on China because...he walked back the penalty on ZTE? Forget the trade war, that move says everything on Trump's stance on China! Forget making overtures to Hong Kong or Taiwan at the start of his Presidency, going against China's wishes...he's clearly a stooge. It's a stretch.

I'm not even going to comment on the Hunter Biden/Eric Branstad connection because I've beaten that horse dead and the article did nothing to change that.

Thanks for wasting my time. You confirmed everything I've been saying.

 

[Bluto]

https://www.irishenvy.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2202727&postcount=27122

It pretty much sums it up in a sarcastic manner. I'm not going to write a book report for you. Hell, you just dropped a link and expect everyone to read and discuss you're silly attempt to link...

And why aren't you hmmmm'ing Toronto for his choice of words Bluto? Selective outrage, or selective hmmmmmm'ing?

Oh... the banging hookers and what not, right...Trump was doing that himself. No reason to drag that idiot Don Jr. into this.

You and Uki's idiotic posts were coming so fast I must have missed what you were responding to vis a vis Toronto Gold.

I'll shall scroll up and chastise him accordingly!

Actually, screw that I'm going to bed.

 

[Bluto]

I...he's clearly a stooge. .

Yes, he is. It's not yet clear however, which one. Shemp would be my guess.

 

[ulukinatme]

The crux of the Hunter Binden story is abuse of power and conflicts of interest.

Now, the crux of this story is...abuse of power and conflicts of interest vis a vis Terry Branstad (the dad) who was the ambassador to China and his son Eric who benefited from said relationship, just like when he walked away with a $15 fine after killing 2 people. Again there seems to be a pretty clear pattern.

If it makes you feel better here's an article from the Wall Street Journal talking about how the Trump Admin backpedaled on "getting tough" on ZTE once the lobbying firm Eric worked for started representing ZTE. I'm sure it's all a coincidence.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/son-of-u-s-envoy-to-china-used-trump-ties-to-lure-business-1530306803

Okay, for the 100th time....What. Has. Trump. Done. Illegally. With. Regards. To. Branstad?

Walking back the punishment against ZTE is not against the rules, and making the connection to Eric is sketchy at best. How many other companies does his firm represent? Does anyone really think such a deal delivered or would deliver Iowa to the campaign? Trump is probably walking back all kinds of restrictions to secretly benefit his many lowly campaign managers! I'm sure the mainstream media will be all over this.

You can crow till the cows come home about whatever benefit Terry Branstad may or may not have afforded his underage son 25 years ago, but that still has nothing to do with anything sketchy Trump may have done in regard to him. The same can't be said for Hunter and candidate Joe Biden.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

The crux of the Hunter Binden story is abuse of power and conflicts of interest.

Now, the crux of this story is...abuse of power and conflicts of interest vis a vis Terry Branstad (the dad) who was the ambassador to China and his son Eric who benefited from said relationship, just like when he walked away with a $15 fine after killing 2 people. Again there seems to be a pretty clear pattern.

If it makes you feel better here's an article from the Wall Street Journal talking about how the Trump Admin backpedaled on "getting tough" on ZTE once the lobbying firm Eric worked for started representing ZTE. I'm sure it's all a coincidence.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/son-of-u-s-envoy-to-china-used-trump-ties-to-lure-business-1530306803

Dude...just raise the white flag on this one.

 

[TorontoGold]

Dude...just raise the white flag on this one.

Um, we raise a red flag with a hammer and sickle, thanks.

 

[drayer54]

Joe's comms team is a disaster

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Even the Biden campaign has not denied that the emails exposing the Biden family's corruption are real.<br><br>Biden surrogate: "I don't think anybody is saying they are inauthentic" <a href="https://t.co/dqhY7WAuhI">pic.twitter.com/dqhY7WAuhI</a></p>— Trump War Room - Text TRUMP to 88022 (@TrumpWarRoom) <a href="https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1317881568745132034?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irish#1]

Dude, in my post (skeptical it was read) I mentioned that the real juice of that article is the China connections. The car crash is a red herring, and that's fine if you want to condone it. I'm simply saying there's more to the article involving China rather than some car crash. That's it that's all.

Where in the world did he say he condoned it? Do better.

 

[Old Man Mike]

"Trump Presidency" thread .........

hard to locate.

 

[arahop]

https://thehill.com/homenews/521638-trump-biden-will-listen-to-the-scientists-if-elected

 

[NorthDakota]

https://thehill.com/homenews/521638-trump-biden-will-listen-to-the-scientists-if-elected

Contextually, the quote makes sense. I thought you weren't on team Trump?

If the scientists recommendation has an impact on other areas (see economy, every day life, constitutional restrictions, other health concerns), it would be foolish to focus exclusively on defeating one thing (the virus) at the expense of destroying the economy, stomping on liberties, and requiring people to stay home which has its own set of documented health issues (alcohol/drug abuse, depression, domestic abuse, suicide).

People can agree/disagree with the President on his action/inaction, but his allegation seems to be that Biden will not make a decision that accounts for factors that will be impacted by exclusively listening to scientists.

He's not an articulate man but I dont see any flaw in his reasoning here.

 

[arahop]

Trump calls Fauchi and other Scientists "Idiots"
Ole Trump, he won't allow cutting edge science get in way of continuing to just say stupid stuff that puts people's health at risk. Any avid Trump guys on here care to elaborate on how his comments aren't detrimental and destructive to humans?

https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...coronavirus-as-election-day-nears?context=amp

 

[Irish#1]

Trump calls Fauchi and other Scientists "Idiots"
Ole Trump, he won't allow cutting edge science get in way of continuing to just say stupid stuff that puts people's health at risk. Any avid Trump guys on here care to elaborate on how his comments aren't detrimental and destructive to humans?

https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...coronavirus-as-election-day-nears?context=amp

I heard part of his speech on the local news yesterday. He mentioned that if we were to go solely off the recommendations of the scientists we would be in a great depression which is why he referenced idiots. The medical professionals concern is taking care of COVID, not jobs, school or the economy. He has to look at the big picture, but there's no doubt in my mind that he could have handle this COVID problem better and used better language, but that's never been his strong suit.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Yeh. You don't call the people who are trying to save people from dying of the pandemic "idiots" though under any circumstances. Using that emotion-loaded verbiage is political and this should not be deliberately encumbered by that. That "approach" to speaking to the American public is just wrong.

 

[Legacy]

Those that surround Trump will be there and their philosophy of how government should serve them. I am with Whiskey and others who feel the capitalist system is not founded on moral principles and all our other posters who illustrate the stagnant growth of wealth in the middle class. The behavior of the captain of the government for the elite is not how most of us think or raise our children. A change of course is what most would agree on.

Of the one term Presidents in the twentieth century there are lost of similarities but I think of Taft. He continued protectionism and appointed six Justices. Certainly a different time socially though. During his Presidency they passed the 16th Amendment, but suffrage was a few years later.

Bush Sr, Carter, Ford and Hoover all were voted out due to economic reasons so there is that. The last pandemic from a novel virus was during Wilson's term. He caught it.

 

[Irish#1]

Those that surround Trump will be there and their philosophy of how government should serve them. I am with Whiskey and others who feel the capitalist system is not founded on moral principles and all our other posters who illustrate the stagnant growth of wealth in the middle class. The behavior of the captain of the government for the elite is not how most of us think or raise our children. A change of course is what most would agree on.

Of the one term Presidents in the twentieth century there are lost of similarities but I think of Taft. He continued protectionism and appointed six Justices. Certainly a different time socially though. During his Presidency they passed the 16th Amendment, but suffrage was a few years later.

Bush Sr, Carter, Ford and Hoover all were voted out due to economic reasons so there is that. The last pandemic from a novel virus was during Wilson's term. He caught it.

My wife and I are middle class and I can't say we stagnated under Trump. Our investment fund has grown much more under Trump than it did under Obama. If the Chinese hadn't screwed the world I can't imagine how much better our fund would be right now.

 

[PraetorianND]

Those that surround Trump will be there and their philosophy of how government should serve them. I am with Whiskey and others who feel the capitalist system is not founded on moral principles and all our other posters who illustrate the stagnant growth of wealth in the middle class. The behavior of the captain of the government for the elite is not how most of us think or raise our children. A change of course is what most would agree on.

Interesting post! I have a few of questions for you -

1) Do you think that voting for Biden solves for any of this, and how?
2) What economic system do you think is better than Capitalism?
3) How is capitalism immoral?
4) How have Trump's policies helped the elite?

 

[ACamp1900]

When I hear people talk so much about their side or when I see these garbage political ads with promises we all know are a steaming pile I pretty much see the political version of following... it may look great, even sound great but we should all know damn well how it will end. Please give me the option that will keep my healthcare, economy and personal freedoms from ending up in that metaphorical big gov ditch in the Nevada desert:

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[Legacy]

Fair questions, P.

I can only respond to one of them now. I don't think voting for Biden (or Clinton) would necessarily resolve any of these. Lots of promises are always made by politicians. If Biden is elected - and I believe Trump could very well win - I would wait and see how he improves the lives of all Americans rather than take away health insurance, for example. When Goldman Sachs says Biden's economic plan would be better for America, I have mixed feelings about that. But Trickle Down on Steroids is no answer to income and wealth disparity. Is that how the federal government benefits all of us?

 

[PraetorianND]

Fair questions, P.

I can only respond to one of them now. I don't think voting for Biden (or Clinton) would necessarily resolve any of these. Lots of promises are always made by politicians. If Biden is elected - and I believe Trump could very well win - I would wait and see how he improves the lives of all Americans rather than take away health insurance, for example. When Goldman Sachs says Biden's economic plan would be better for America, I have mixed feelings about that. But Trickle Down on Steroids is no answer to income and wealth disparity. Is that how the federal government benefits all of us?

Thanks for responding!

I'm with you. I take campaign promises with a heavy dose of skepticism. I think every president I've voted for has failed to meet their promises. Expecting real change feels like a "fool me once, fool me twice" kind of situation at this point.

 

[drayer54]

Fair questions, P.

I can only respond to one of them now. I don't think voting for Biden (or Clinton) would necessarily resolve any of these. Lots of promises are always made by politicians. If Biden is elected - and I believe Trump could very well win - I would wait and see how he improves the lives of all Americans rather than take away health insurance, for example. When Goldman Sachs says Biden's economic plan would be better for America, I have mixed feelings about that. But Trickle Down on Steroids is no answer to income and wealth disparity. Is that how the federal government benefits all of us?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cost-of-bidenomics-11603055037

Overall, the authors estimate that the Biden agenda, if fully implemented, would reduce full-time equivalent employment per person by about 3%, the capital stock per person by some 15%, and real GDP per capita by more than 8%. Compared to Congressional Budget Office estimates for these variables in 2030, this means there would be 4.9 million fewer working Americans, $2.6 trillion less in GDP, and $6,500 less in median household income.

Mr. Biden is also proposing substantial increases in business tax rates that will raise the cost of capital. The former Vice President likes to say he’d only raise the top corporate tax rate to 28% from 21%. But so-called pass-through entities (often small businesses) employ more than 40 million Americans, and most pay taxes at the individual tax rate.

“Biden’s plan to raise personal income and payroll tax rates would push their federal rates from below 40 percent to, often, above 50 percent, and these are on top of state income taxes,” the authors write.

Mr. Biden would also raise capital costs by phasing down bonus depreciation in the 2017 tax reform, and he’d raise labor costs by imposing the 12.4% Social Security payroll tax to income above $400,000. The $400,000 threshold isn’t indexed for inflation so it would apply to ever-more Americans as the years go by.

Hard pass on all of that.

 

[Armyirish47]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cost-of-bidenomics-11603055037






Hard pass on all of that.

The Hoover Institution? Shouldn't they be trying to beat Dyson?!?!?!?!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW: President Trump has failed to deport “millions,” as promised. Local cops have all but made that impossible by refusing to cooperate with him. Instead he’s resorted to show-of-force ICE raids immigration activists say are tactics used to terrorize. <a href="https://t.co/TtJx8DWRfn">pic.twitter.com/TtJx8DWRfn</a></p>— Jacob Soboroff (@jacobsoboroff) <a href="https://twitter.com/jacobsoboroff/status/1318540480641118208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

There's an interesting argument for not voting Biden here. A lot of the worst stuff the American state does gets worse when the media is actively carrying water for the administration.

 

[Old Man Mike]

In terms of textbook theory about the behaviors of States, I agree. But life in this webbed complicated world is pretty, well, complicated. Ex. we (America) were able to do pretty bad things when the media was so slack on commentary in any direction that certain behaviors just went wildly rogue as in cases like extermination aid to Indonesia for protecting Oil interests.

The media in modern times finds ways to b!tch about just about anything. Many years the triviality of their b!tchings consumes them to the extent of omission entirely. So, most times our power needs no water-carrying at all, and sometimes our power just does what-the-he!l it wants to regardless.

My view of modern roles for media is that they are less and less relevant to anything but streetcorner crapfests, and power does what it wills. GCC is a multi-decade example of this as well. I WISH media were more relevant, but ... not on any global or wide scale.

 

[Irish#1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW: President Trump has failed to deport “millions,” as promised. Local cops have all but made that impossible by refusing to cooperate with him. Instead he’s resorted to show-of-force ICE raids immigration activists say are tactics used to terrorize. <a href="https://t.co/TtJx8DWRfn">pic.twitter.com/TtJx8DWRfn</a></p>— Jacob Soboroff (@jacobsoboroff) <a href="https://twitter.com/jacobsoboroff/status/1318540480641118208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

There's an interesting argument for not voting Biden here. A lot of the worst stuff the American state does gets worse when the media is actively carrying water for the administration.

You just found a reason for Dems to vote for Trump! lol

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW: President Trump has failed to deport “millions,” as promised. Local cops have all but made that impossible by refusing to cooperate with him. Instead he’s resorted to show-of-force ICE raids immigration activists say are tactics used to terrorize. <a href="https://t.co/TtJx8DWRfn">pic.twitter.com/TtJx8DWRfn</a></p>— Jacob Soboroff (@jacobsoboroff) <a href="https://twitter.com/jacobsoboroff/status/1318540480641118208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

There's an interesting argument for not voting Biden here. A lot of the worst stuff the American state does gets worse when the media is actively carrying water for the administration.

So I remember during Obama's terms that the call from the right was he wasn't doing enough. Like the whole time. I remember whole pages in the politics threads devoted to arguing this. I understand that you are saying the MSM was carrying water for Obama and I agree that such news was not reported at all or framed in a positive light for Obama.

Fox News wasn't carrying that water for sure. I dont think the temperament of the left or the right have changed significantly on this. The right sees them as invaders sucking up resources tax dollars and the left sees them as humans escaping political trouble and in need of assistance. There is obvious political capital on both arguments.

The MSM has reported on the situation under Trump more than it did under Obama and I think that has exposed more than they did under Obama. This has likely caused people in power of such operations to be more aware of the exposure and less apt to help.

Also Trump's policy on immigration and the ops he has championed have more often than not been found to be legally problematic and inhumane. To me it seems if you are trying to do something found illegal or immoral and you stick with the policy, its not surprising to me that LEO do not want to be a part of that. For example the child separation policy, having infants sit for hearings with judges to determine their eligibility to be in the country, forced hysterectomies', and giving immigrant children to adoption agencies. There so many things I dont think occurred under Obama (I could be wrong for sure). I think no matter what side of the aisle I would expect us to see the inherent wrongness or at least the immorality of those policies.

So is Trump's ineffectiveness caused by the reporting, or his own immoral policies?

 

[NorthDakota]

So I remember during Obama's terms that the call from the right was he wasnt doing enough. Like the whole time. I remember whole pages in the politics threads devoted to arguing this. I understand that you are saying the MSM was carrying water and I agree that such news was not reported at all or framed in a positive light for Obama, but Fox wasnt for sure. I dont think the temperament of the left or the right have changed significantly on this. The right sees them as invaders sucking up resources tax dollars and the left sees them as humans escaping political trouble and in need of assistance. There is obvious political capital on both arguments.

As of today with the MSM has actively been reporting on the situation and I think that has exposed more than they did under Obama. This has likely caused people in power of such operations to be more aware of exposure and less apt to help. Also it cant be understated that Trump's policy on immigration and the ops he has championed have more often than not been found to be legally problematic and inhumane. To me it seems if you are trying to do something found illegal and you stick with the policy, its not surprising to me in either case LEO dont want to be a part of that. For example the child separation policy and having infants sit for hearings with judges to determine their eligibility to be in the country. There also are the forced hysterectomies', and giving immigrant children to adoption agencies.... so many things I dont think occurred under Obama (I could be wrong for sure). I think no matter what side of the aisle I would expect us to see the inherent wrongness or at least the immorality of those policies.

So is Trump's ineffectiveness caused by the reporting, or his own immoral policies?

This entire post reads terribly.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

This entire post reads terribly.

Sorry. Sometimes I post on my phone and its hard to proofread. I'll clean it up.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I thought that it was just fine, Cack --- even tried to rep you.

To the negativist: "When you see bad in everything, you see yourself."

Mountain William (someone who actually CAN play the banjo.)

 

[PraetorianND]

To the negativist: "When you see bad in everything, you see yourself."

The dude is a self-important a$$hole.

... and a psychotic narcissist.

This entire thread is seeing the bad in Trump...

Aside from Toronto, I've yet to see anyone be neutral or even mildly reasonable about things Trump has done. He can't be all bad right? And if he is, you're saying it's because his detractors are in fact projecting their own badness?

I didn't like Obama but I never posted anything like this....