Trump Presidency

[Irish YJ]

So I remember during Obama's terms that the call from the right was he wasn't doing enough. Like the whole time. I remember whole pages in the politics threads devoted to arguing this. I understand that you are saying the MSM was carrying water for Obama and I agree that such news was not reported at all or framed in a positive light for Obama.

Fox News wasn't carrying that water for sure. I dont think the temperament of the left or the right have changed significantly on this. The right sees them as invaders sucking up resources tax dollars and the left sees them as humans escaping political trouble and in need of assistance. There is obvious political capital on both arguments.

The MSM has reported on the situation under Trump more than it did under Obama and I think that has exposed more than they did under Obama. This has likely caused people in power of such operations to be more aware of the exposure and less apt to help.

Also Trump's policy on immigration and the ops he has championed have more often than not been found to be legally problematic and inhumane. To me it seems if you are trying to do something found illegal or immoral and you stick with the policy, its not surprising to me that LEO do not want to be a part of that. For example the child separation policy, having infants sit for hearings with judges to determine their eligibility to be in the country, forced hysterectomies', and giving immigrant children to adoption agencies. There so many things I dont think occurred under Obama (I could be wrong for sure). I think no matter what side of the aisle I would expect us to see the inherent wrongness or at least the immorality of those policies.

So is Trump's ineffectiveness caused by the reporting, or his own immoral policies?

As to the bolded, you are indeed wrong. It comes down to all the policy/law pre-existed Trump. And every significant Dem has been at one time strong on border security. The MSM simply ignored it because it was a Dem policy pre-Trump. It only became an "outrage" when Trump ran on the "wall" as part of his platform.

Pre-Trump, both sides were strong on border security and immigration, yet both wanted to exploit the cheap labor. These days, the left sees votes, but mask their approach with "morality". The morality hasn't changed in the last 8 years.....

On the whole morality side of things. Morality doesn't equate to open borders. France for instance, known for their progressiveness, takes in a third, or even less immigrants than the US over the last 10 years per capita. Canada, who take in less net, but more per capita, has very different rules on who they allow in. They only take in 13% humanitarian. 63% of those they take are based on job/skills (compared to only 13% for the US). The US takes in a combined 84% of humanitarian and family in country.

I'm for a wall, but a big door. And I'm for something closer to the Canadian model of who is allowed in.

 

[NorthDakota]

As to the bolded, you are indeed wrong. It comes down to all the policy/law pre-existed Trump. And every significant Dem has been at one time strong on border security. The MSM simply ignored it because it was a Dem policy pre-Trump. It only became an "outrage" when Trump ran on the "wall" as part of his platform.

Pre-Trump, both sides were strong on border security and immigration, yet both wanted to exploit the cheap labor. These days, the left sees votes, but mask their approach with "morality". The morality hasn't changed in the last 8 years.....

On the whole morality side of things. Morality doesn't equate to open borders. France for instance, known for their progressiveness, takes in a third, or even less immigrants than the US over the last 10 years per capita. Canada, who take in less net, but more per capita, has very different rules on who they allow in. They only take in 13% humanitarian. 63% of those they take are based on job/skills (compared to only 13% for the US). The US takes in a combined 84% of humanitarian and family in country.

I'm for a wall, but a big door. And I'm for something closer to the Canadian model of who is allowed in.

You'd also have a hard time convincing me that "Trumps actions are inhumane relative to Obama's!" I suspect the inhumanity of it is mostly if not entirely a claim because of who is in the White House. We see these things come from the left time and time again.

Separating kids from adults was a nonstory in 2014 or whenever they did it. In 2017-18 it was suddenly a violation of human decency ( i will go to my grave believing it to be a good thing to do btw).

Using tear gas to disperse people trying to illegally cross the border was again....perfectly fine from 2008-2016, then suddenly its some violation of human decency.

Support for gay marriage...Barack Obama did not even state support for it until 2012, but the second he did, anyone who didn't was a Bible thumper who belonged in the Dark Ages or Old Testament.

This is how some folks roll. It's normal for views to change, adapt, etc. But people should be pointed and laughed at for any claims that a border wall or using tear gas is racist, because a year earlier, they didn't seem to mind.

 

[Irish YJ]

You'd also have a hard time convincing me that "Trumps actions are inhumane relative to Obama's!" I suspect the inhumanity of it is mostly if not entirely a claim because of who is in the White House. We see these things come from the left time and time again.

Separating kids from adults was a nonstory in 2014 or whenever they did it. In 2017-18 it was suddenly a violation of human decency ( i will go to my grave believing it to be a good thing to do btw).

Using tear gas to disperse people trying to illegally cross the border was again....perfectly fine from 2008-2016, then suddenly its some violation of human decency.

Support for gay marriage...Barack Obama did not even state support for it until 2012, but the second he did, anyone who didn't was a Bible thumper who belonged in the Dark Ages or Old Testament.

This is how some folks roll. It's normal for views to change, adapt, etc. But people should be pointed and laughed at for any claims that a border wall or using tear gas is racist, because a year earlier, they didn't seem to mind.

Yep. It's hypocrisy based on convenient policy pivots. One of the most hilarious things I saw on the topic, was when CNN and MSBC (MSM in general) were airing kids in cages, but the footage was actually from the Obama years. Oops. Funny stuff.

 

[Ndaccountant]

The "Trump Presidency" thread: IE's Porta-John.

(every site needs one. Some posters have their own units.)

I thought you were better than this.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Smokin crack and impregnating strippers from Arkansas is on the up and up though.

Hahahahaha

 

[PraetorianND]

Let’s not forget about Harris... She was sleeping with Mayor Willie Brown, a married man many decades her senior.... I’ve never seen her asked about this ONCE by anyone in the media.

We can just leave all the moral high ground arguments at the door, please.

 

[dublinirish]

Let’s not forget about Harris... She was sleeping with Mayor Willie Brown, a married man many decades her senior.... I’ve never seen her asked about this ONCE by anyone in the media.

We can just leave all the moral high ground arguments at the door, please.

lol they dated a decade after he became estranged from his wife in 1981. It's not the same as Trump banging porn stars while Melania was pregnant surely

 

[NorthDakota]

lol they dated a decade after he became estranged from his wife in 1981. It's not the same as Trump banging porn stars while Melania was pregnant surely

Different but not really better. Donald Trump is a billionaire real estate mogul who has been a celebrity for the last 45-50 years. As sad as it is, its kinda part of his celebrity that he's out banging dames left and right because he can.

Kamala Harris banging a prominent mayor to get ahead in her career is a bad look. By default it makes a reasonable person look at her and question whether she even belongs here. If she was on a ticket against any republican other than Donald Trump she'd get murdered on that alone I would think.

Sleeping with the boss to get ahead is sorta a universal taboo or at least raises questions about your qualifications when you get your career jumpstarted.

 

[Irish YJ]

Different but not really better. Donald Trump is a billionaire real estate mogul who has been a celebrity for the last 45-50 years. As sad as it is, its kinda part of his celebrity that he's out banging dames left and right because he can.

Kamala Harris banging a prominent mayor to get ahead in her career is a bad look. By default it makes a reasonable person look at her and question whether she even belongs here. If she was on a ticket against any republican other than Donald Trump she'd get murdered on that alone I would think.

Sleeping with the boss to get ahead is sorta a universal taboo or at least raises questions about your qualifications when you get your career jumpstarted.

Banging your boss, threesomes, throuples, etc.. it's all cool if you're a dem lol. I honestly don't care who people bang. I mean, if Acamp and my mom doesn't bother me...

 

[PraetorianND]

Didn’t Joe snatch his friend’s wife too? Meh. Whatever.

 

[Legacy]

If Trump loses, the higher up officials may not have a problem getting a position somewhere. A lawyer can return to his practice. The lobbyists, special interest group people and maybe the Fox News people can return to their roles.

But those in the lower echelons whose resumes including a few years of working in the Admin as their last job whose roles were to assure loyalty and oversee the proper direction in their departments may have the baggage of their work. Do they have any attraction for an employer?

 

[Irish YJ]

If Trump loses, the higher up officials may not have a problem getting a position somewhere. A lawyer can return to his practice. The lobbyists, special interest group people and maybe the Fox News people can return to their roles.

But those in the lower echelons whose resumes including a few years of working in the Admin as their last job whose roles were to assure loyalty and oversee the proper direction in their departments may have the baggage of their work. Do they have any attraction for an employer?

I really wonder how your mind gets to some of these places.

 

[PraetorianND]

WSJ: Now Corruption Story Is About Joe, Not Hunter - How long can the media blackout continue?

WSJ: The Bidens and China Business - The story won’t go away without explanation, even if the Veep wins.

WSJ: A Laptop Window on the Oligarchy - Hunter Biden was for sale to anybody who wanted influence with his father.

Apparently at least one outlet is willing to report it. This is going to be interesting.

Also, this is worth a read. It's a good summary of Hunter's activity.

 

[TorontoGold]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Raw footage: Trump walks out of interview after complaining that Lesley Stahl's questions were too tough for him <a href="https://t.co/5MplZffcF4">pic.twitter.com/5MplZffcF4</a></p>— Arlen Parsa (@arlenparsa) <a href="https://twitter.com/arlenparsa/status/1319302033879535617?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script

lmao

 

[Irish YJ]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Raw footage: Trump walks out of interview after complaining that Lesley Stahl's questions were too tough for him <a href="https://t.co/5MplZffcF4">pic.twitter.com/5MplZffcF4</a></p>— Arlen Parsa (@arlenparsa) <a href="https://twitter.com/arlenparsa/status/1319302033879535617?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script

lmao

I mean, he's been actively complaining of unfair treatment from 60min vs the dems. Trying to understand the point you're trying to make. Not sure anyone would argue that Biden gets his ball placed on the tee.

 

[arahop]

WSJ: Now Corruption Story Is About Joe, Not Hunter - How long can the media blackout continue?

WSJ: The Bidens and China Business - The story won’t go away without explanation, even if the Veep wins.

WSJ: A Laptop Window on the Oligarchy - Hunter Biden was for sale to anybody who wanted influence with his father.

Apparently at least one outlet is willing to report it. This is going to be interesting.

Also, this is worth a read. It's a good summary of Hunter's activity.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1244331

Wild QAnon theories.

 

[PraetorianND]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1244331

Wild QAnon theories.

That wild Wall Street Journal Qanon theory lol.

 

[Irish YJ]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1244331

Wild QAnon theories.

LOL. So we now know the laptop is real. Hunter's own partner has confirmed emails and other info...

Yet you want to dismiss everything as Qanon stuff. Seems the MSM is going all qanon themselves trying to invent creative narratives to distract lol...

 

[Wild Bill]

Sleeping with the boss to get ahead is sorta a universal taboo or at least raises questions about your qualifications when you get your career jumpstarted.

If I can't screw my way to the top, I want off this ride.

 

[arahop]

That wild Wall Street Journal Qanon theory lol.

So Trump and his supporters 'Ace in the hole" is running on Hunter Biden's business dealings?
Weak.
Trump got so far off point during the debate.
If he couldn't answer questions about policy he brought up Hunter.
Trump once again got called out about his bogus claim that a vaccine is "weeks away"
C'mon
And Wall Streets money has shifted to Biden
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/10/22/wall-street-thinks-a-biden-win-will-help-the-stock/

 

[Irish#1]

Banging your boss, threesomes, throuples, etc.. it's all cool if you're a dem lol. I honestly don't care who people bang. I mean, if Acamp and my mom doesn't bother me...

LOL

 

[Irish#1]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1244331

Wild QAnon theories.

Okay.

 

[PraetorianND]

So Trump and his supporters 'Ace in the hole" is running on Hunter Biden's business dealings?
Weak.
Trump got so far off point during the debate.
If he couldn't answer questions about policy he brought up Hunter.
Trump once again got called out about his bogus claim that a vaccine is "weeks away"
C'mon
And Wall Streets money has shifted to Biden
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/10/22/wall-street-thinks-a-biden-win-will-help-the-stock/

Lol. So we went from that’s a conspiracy theory to it’s not a big deal?

Nice.

 

[Irish YJ]

Okay.

Got to hand it to him. He can pivot quick lol.

 

[PraetorianND]

Got to hand it to him. He can pivot quick lol.

Imagine blindly believing the Steele Dossier, which was completely fake (and fucking laughable), but then being unwilling to consider corruption in your own party... It’s pretty impressive, really.

I legit don’t understand. Why defend these people? They simply aren’t good people. It is universally accepted that politicians are scumbags. Seems really weird to carry water for these people.

 

[NorthDakota]

Lol. So we went from that’s a conspiracy theory to it’s not a big deal?

Nice.

Funny how that works. Biden has a really hard time being called out and it showed last night lol.

 

[Irish YJ]

Imagine blindly believing the Steele Dossier, which was completely fake (and fucking laughable), but then being unwilling to consider corruption in your own party... It’s pretty impressive, really.

I legit don’t understand. Why defend these people? They simply aren’t good people. It is universally accepted that politicians are scumbags. Seems really weird to carry water for these people.

Yup. Politicians on both sides are ass clowns. I have no problem calling Trump an asshole or disgusting. Few on the left are able to do the same with their group of clowns. Lax is pretty good about calling out most of the dumbasses on the left, but he's a rare one. I think he's got a wee bit of a crush on Joe though lol. Now that we can say with a decent amount of confidence that the laptop is real, as are the emails, perhaps he'll change his tune. Not that it should change his vote, just opinion on China Joe.

 

[Irish YJ]

Just reported that Sudan and Israel have normalized ties, making it the 3rd Arab nation to do so recently joining Bahrain and UAE. Saudi next? Sounds like Trump is removing them from a list.....

Iran does not approve lol. Ilhan Omar either.

 

[arahop]

Imagine blindly believing the Steele Dossier, which was completely fake (and fucking laughable), but then being unwilling to consider corruption in your own party... It’s pretty impressive, really.

I legit don’t understand. Why defend these people? They simply aren’t good people. It is universally accepted that politicians are scumbags. Seems really weird to carry water for these people.

Not saying that Biden is a saint. I think it's even weirder to support Trump. I'll give Trump credit for a calmer deamenor, he just deflects any questions with complete and utter BS.
vacinnes, fear mongering, " false threats that "we won't have a country" if Biden is elected,
And I'm really not a democrat.
I don't have an allegiance to either party.

 

[PraetorianND]

Not saying that Biden is a saint. I think it's even weirder to support Trump. I'll give Trump credit for a calmer deamenor, he just deflects any questions with complete and utter BS.
vacinnes, fear mongering, " false threats that "we won't have a country" if Biden is elected,
And I'm really not a democrat.
I don't have an allegiance to either party.

I mean, it’s totally fine to say Trump sucks. People who “support” Trump have been pretty vocal about his issues.

That’s completely separate from Biden though. You don’t need to evaluate Biden based on some relative comparison to Trump. You can just look at him independently and make a judgement call. Now, for voting that’s not necessarily the case given the bullshit two party system.

But hating on Trump and ignoring all Biden’s issues is just dishonest. It’s no big deal to say Biden is terrible, but Trump is more terrible, so what are you gonna do? But deciding that all the Biden corruption is either ignorable or whatever because you don’t like Trump is silly.

Nobody is gonna think you’re a Nazi if you criticize Biden a little bit (Hopefully). But, the inverse is true. If you ignore all Biden’s issues because you hate Trump, you’re gonna seem like you’re just party biased.