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Bishop2b5

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Y'all really do live in your own world. Lol.

Obama is leaving with a 60% approval rating and Trump is entering with the worst approval ratings of a President-Elect in modern history. But by all means, I'm sure your scientific method of polling your cousins holds water...

Donald Trump Is the Least Popular President-Elect in Modern History | Vanity Fair

1. The discussion wasn't about how the general public felt about Trump & Obama. It was about how military people felt.

2. You quoted a Vanity Fair article about the relative popularity of the two??? LOL! Next, you should reference a poll of my daughter's kindergarten class about the relative popularity of ice cream versus broccoli. It will be just as unbiased and accurate.
 

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I find Russia dicking around disturbing.
I find the reality of HRC disturbing.
I find the same about pres elect Trump disturbing.
I find how easy it is to predict who will defend, or attack, what posts disturbing.

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1. The discussion wasn't about how the general public felt about Trump & Obama. It was about how military people felt.

2. You quoted a Vanity Fair article about the relative popularity of the two??? LOL! Next, you should reference a poll of my daughter's kindergarten class about the relative popularity of ice cream versus broccoli. It will be just as unbiased and accurate.

Use any article, the polls are all consistent on this.
 

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How am I wrong, weirdo? Those numbers are facts and I gave reference.

If you don't understand how polls over sample (one side over the other) i can't help you.


The naive think (most) polls sample public opinion. Those who understand realize (most) polls are used to SHAPE public opinion.

End of the day. Trump will be the POTUS tomorrow
 

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And finally... for all the Catholics on here... imagine this right before you watch your savior get sworn in tomorrow. While you are anticipating his arrival, he and Pence will be attending service with Reverend Jeffress. A man that Trump states "I love this guy" and that "any attempts to vilify this great American are misplaced". This is what this guy said about your religion.

Last year, Rev. Jeffress said the Roman Catholic Church was the outgrowth of a “corruption” called the “Babylonian mystery.” He continued, “Much of what you see in the Catholic Church today doesn’t come from God’s word. It comes from that cult-like pagan religion. Isn’t that the genius of Satan?”

JEFFRESS SAYS SATAN RULES CATHOLICISM – Catholic League
 
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Imagine the uproar if Fox would have run a similar piece two nights before Obama's inauguration.

CNN runs story on assassinating Trump, says could put Obama crony in Power - Uncle Sam's Misguided Children

I don't think anyone would have been upset. Maybe a few of the mouth-breathers responsible for the misinformation you just referenced would have gotten a little rowdy in their circle jerks about killing the 'N-word in Chief,' which I heard in the beginning of '09. Every crowd has their bad actors.

But I don't think it would have been anything like the idiots taking this fake news and stroking out like they did today. Goodness, being that stupid and arrogant about it at the same time just amazes me!

I'm sure you were too lazy, to check the piece, and will not attribute the sloven stupid dick-less ignorance of the reactionary folks that put the piece up that you read, but this is exactly what I have been railing against in this thread!

Here is the actual segment :

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Notice it is about the 'designated survivor, as made popular by the TV series starring Kiefer Sutherland. Not about Obama, not about his cronies. Not about assassinating Trump.
 

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And finally... for all the Catholics on here... imagine this right before you watch your savior get sworn in tomorrow. While you are anticipating his arrival, he and Pence will be attending service with Reverend Jeffress. A man that Trump states "I love this guy" and that "any attempts to vilify this great American are misplaced". This is what this guy said about your religion.



JEFFRESS SAYS SATAN RULES CATHOLICISM – Catholic League

Wow, right up there with the kids in high school who accused me of worshiping Mary.
 
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Bogtrotter07

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Pretty much the same story here.

2 uncles-retired
4 cousins-active
handful of friends-active and retired

All strongly support Trump and can't wait for BHO to be gone

That's interesting. I know a guy down the street that loves Trump, I am pretty sure, but most veterans I know, including me, are pretty split. Like one friend's brother said, who is a retired OF-7 or OF-8, people talk a game about supporting the Republican candidate because he's good for business, but most career military realize that business is going to go on and that it's a mixed bag.

He went on to say that anyone in the military who was looking forward to Trump, after almost everything he has said related to the military needs to take a breather.

And I can tell you, no one in either this guy's family, or his brother's, my friend, voted for HRC!
 

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Y'all really do live in your own world. Lol.

Obama is leaving with a 60% approval rating and Trump is entering with the worst approval ratings of a President-Elect in modern history. But by all means, I'm sure your scientific method of polling your cousins holds water...

Donald Trump Is the Least Popular President-Elect in Modern History | Vanity Fair

I'm sure the approval polls were conducted by the same people that said Hillary was going to win in a landslide.
 

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Here's the bottom line. The Left nominated a truly horrible candidate with a horrible agenda, was completely out of touch with mainstream America, alienated a huge portion of the electorate with ignorant and snobby insults, and ran a ridiculously bad campaign. You lost. The country decided they wanted to go in a different direction. Deal with it. You're not getting a participation trophy. It's not someone else's fault. Put your big girl panties on and deal with it like reasonable adults. It's what generations on both sides have done for 200 plus years.
 

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Here's the bottom line. The Left nominated a truly horrible candidate with a horrible agenda, was completely out of touch with mainstream America, alienated a huge portion of the electorate with ignorant and snobby insults, and ran a ridiculously bad campaign. You lost. The country decided they wanted to go in a different direction. Deal with it. You're not getting a participation trophy. It's not someone else's fault. Put your big girl panties on and deal with it like reasonable adults. It's what generations on both sides have done for 200 plus years.

If you were cuter/or female i might kiss ya.
 
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Bogtrotter07

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Love how the Obama slobberer's/trump haters take so much stock in these over sampled polls.

It's like re-living those tasty tears of election night.

This is my next pet peeve. I can truly say that when it comes to polling you don't know your own from a poll in the ground.

Seriously. I can tell when I have a mouth breathing ijit in the discussion, because they talk about oversampling.

Do you know what oversampling is? No. But here is a real simple explanation.

Candidate A pays me to do a poll of a hundred prospective voters, but he wants a really accurate view of what a certain group thinks about the candidate. Let's say that group represents 15 percent of the population. So, to get relevant data, I may decide to ask 10 or 15 members of that group the general questions, plus a special set.

I will then compile my data on the special questionnaire and produce results with more accuracy that if I had asked 1.5 people, but when I tuck the results I found on the general question from the fifteen people, I will count them in the general poll of one hundred respondents as 1.5 people. Simple enough?

No, it doesn't mean you ask more people of a group and skew the results, no matter what anyone told you.
 

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This is my next pet peeve. I can truly say that when it comes to polling you don't know your own from a poll in the ground.

Seriously. I can tell when I have a mouth breathing ijit in the discussion, because they talk about oversampling.

Do you know what oversampling is? No. But here is a real simple explanation.

Candidate A pays me to do a poll of a hundred prospective voters, but he wants a really accurate view of what a certain group thinks about the candidate. Let's say that group represents 15 percent of the population. So, to get relevant data, I may decide to ask 10 or 15 members of that group the general questions, plus a special set.

I will then compile my data on the special questionnaire and produce results with more accuracy that if I had asked 1.5 people, but when I tuck the results I found on the general question from the fifteen people, I will count them in the general poll of one hundred respondents as 1.5 people. Simple enough?

No, it doesn't mean you ask more people of a group and skew the results, no matter what anyone told you.

You'd be wrong
 
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Bogtrotter07

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I'm sure the approval polls were conducted by the same people that said Hillary was going to win in a landslide.

No, actually not. I posted on this the other day. You can go back and look at it. There is consistency between the last three or four transition presidencies. What I can remember is Bush was solidly around 60%, Obama nearly 80%, and Trump between 44% highest and 36% lowest.

Those polls are conducted after people get a chance to really see the transition taking place.

And also, the most detailed article I read stated that they have in past set the ceiling for popularity, especially important in the first two years of the administration. Historically, Presidents have rarely risen above those numbers except for special events like military incursions, etc.

And of course, the first two years of a presidency is the honeymoon period. From there it really takes some good work to retain popularity.
 

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Here's the bottom line. The Left nominated a truly horrible candidate with a horrible agenda, was completely out of touch with mainstream America, alienated a huge portion of the electorate with ignorant and snobby insults, and ran a ridiculously bad campaign. You lost. The country decided they wanted to go in a different direction. Deal with it. You're not getting a participation trophy. It's not someone else's fault. Put your big girl panties on and deal with it like reasonable adults. It's what generations on both sides have done for 200 plus years.

This is objectively not true though. The right responded to Obama with militias, the tea party, government shut-downs, birth certificate narratives, and worst of all- Don freaking Trump and his not-even-plurality of the vote.

Unlike the right, I won't support any government shut downs. I won't work to get people elected with literally no experience. I won't adopt contrarian positions SOLELY FOR THE SAKE of being contrarian. If Trump wants universal health care, I want my rep working with him on it.

But I'm not going to shut up about it, nor am I going to pretend that a spade isn't a spade. Trump made promise after promise in getting elected. Most of them were based on objectively false premises and will be impossible to fulfill. So I'm going to continue to say what I think about Trump.
 
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Bogtrotter07

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You'd be wrong

Hmm? About what?
Oversampling is used to study small groups, not bias poll results
BY ANDREW MERCER16 COMMENTS

Every election year, questions arise about how polling techniques and practices might skew poll results one way or the other. In the final weeks before this year’s election, the practice of “oversampling” and its possible effect on presidential polls is in the media spotlight.

Oversampling is the practice of selecting respondents so that some groups make up a larger share of the survey sample than they do in the population. Oversampling small groups can be difficult and costly, but it allows polls to shed light on groups that would otherwise be too small to report on.

This might sound like it would make the survey unrepresentative, but pollsters correct this through weighting. With weighting, groups that were oversampled are brought back in line with their actual share of the population – removing the potential for bias.

When people think about opinion polls, they might envision taking a random sample of all adults in the U.S. where everybody has the same chance of being selected. When selected this way, the sample on average will look just like the full population in terms of the share that belongs to different groups.

For example, the percentage of men and women or the share of younger and older people should fall close to their true share of the population. For the telephone surveys that Pew Research Center conducts, the process is a little more complicated (in order to account for things like cellphones and the fact that not everyone responds to surveys), but usually we want all adults to have an equal chance of being selected into the sample.

This works very well if you are interested in the overall population, but often we want to know what different kinds of people think about issues and how they compare with one another. When we are interested in learning about groups that make up only a small share of the population, the usual approach can leave us with too few people in each group to produce reliable estimates. When we want to look closely at small groups, we have to design the sample differently so that we have enough respondents in each group to analyze. We do this by giving members of the small group a higher chance of being selected than everybody else.

A good example is a Pew Research Center survey from June of this year, in which we wanted to focus in depth on the U.S. Hispanic population. In the previous survey from March, there were 291 Hispanic respondents out of 2,254 total respondents, or 13% of the sample before weighting. This is pretty close to the true Hispanic share of the population (15%), but we wanted to have more than 291 people responding so we could do a more in-depth analysis. In order to have a larger sample of Hispanics in June, we surveyed 543 Hispanics out of 2,245 total respondents, or 24% of the unweighted sample. This gave us a much larger sample to analyze, and made the estimates for Hispanics more precise.

If we just stopped here, estimates for the total population would overrepresent Hispanics. Instead, we weight them back down so that when we look at the whole sample, the share of Hispanics falls back in line with their actual share of the population. This way, we still have more precise estimates when looking at Hispanics specifically, but we also have the correct distribution when looking at the sample as a whole.

Pew Research Center’s 2014 Religious Landscape Survey also used oversampling in states like Wyoming so that researchers could make reliable estimates about Wyomingites’ religious beliefs and practices. Thanks to oversampling, we interviewed 316 Wyoming residents, instead of an estimated 63 under a non-oversampling design. The survey weighting adjusted for this by aligning the 0.9% of respondents from Wyoming with their actual share of share of the U.S. population (0.2%).
 

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This is objectively not true though. The right responded to Obama with militias, the tea party, government shut-downs, birth certificate narratives, and worst of all- Don freaking Trump and his not-even-plurality of the vote.

Unlike the right, I won't support any government shut downs. I won't work to get people elected with literally no experience. I won't adopt contrarian positions SOLELY FOR THE SAKE of being contrarian. If Trump wants universal health care, I want my rep working with him on it.

But I'm not going to shut up about it, nor am I going to pretend that a spade isn't a spade. Trump made promise after promise in getting elected. Most of them were based on objectively false premises and will be impossible to fulfill. So I'm going to continue to say what I think about Trump.

You mean like every other politician in history? I think Trump will surprise many on what he can actually get done. If not...he will be just another false prophet.

Let's see what happens.
 

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This is objectively not true though. The right responded to Obama with militias, the tea party, government shut-downs, birth certificate narratives, and worst of all- Don freaking Trump and his not-even-plurality of the vote.

Unlike the right, I won't support any government shut downs. I won't work to get people elected with literally no experience. I won't adopt contrarian positions SOLELY FOR THE SAKE of being contrarian. If Trump wants universal health care, I want my rep working with him on it.

But I'm not going to shut up about it, nor am I going to pretend that a spade isn't a spade. Trump made promise after promise in getting elected. Most of them were based on objectively false premises and will be impossible to fulfill. So I'm going to continue to say what I think about Trump.

The tea party was largely a response to the slobs in the GOP who campaign on fiscal conservative policies and govern like big government liberals.

I have no idea what you mean by militias and I thought the birth certificate thing is only relevant b/c Trump's a racist or something.

Shutting down the government to obstruct bad legislation is a good thing and should be done by either party if they feel it's not in the best interest of the citizens. Just one man's opinion.
 
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Anecdote alert but here's one vet who despises Trump. Close friends feel the same way. Draft dodging dick swinger who talks tough until he's face to face with someone (see his meeting with the Mexican president, meeting with Obama, Nikki Haley, etc...)

Donald Trump is a Coward When He's Face to Face with Nikki Haley | RedState

From another vet that thinks of DJT as the guy that talks tough in the cool breeze of the shade, but can't be found when the heat is definitely on, there is only one thing wrong with your statement. I will correct it if you please :

Anecdote alert but here's one vet who despises Trump. Close friends feel the same way. Draft dodging limp dick who talks tough until he's face to face with someone (see his meeting with the Mexican president, meeting with Obama, Nikki Haley, etc...)

Not intending it even as a put-down, my intuition is that there just isn't the capital resorces there for the swinging part. (See Roy Cohen., or Roy Cohen and Donald Trump.)
 

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The tea party was largely a response to the slobs in the GOP who campaign on fiscal conservative policies and govern like big government liberals.

If this were true wouldn't it have made more sense for it to happen in 2004 or 2006?

Re: militias, the rise of right-wing militias was pretty widespread but it's definitely something on the very margins- kind of like non-peaceful protests are right now. A good proxy for it though is gun sales, which spiked after both Obama elections, largely due to hysteria and misinformation:

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From another vet that thinks of DJT as the guy that talks tough in the cool breeze of the shade, but can't be found when the heat is definitely on, there is only one thing wrong with your statement. I will correct it if you please :

Anecdote alert but here's one vet who despises Trump. Close friends feel the same way. Draft dodging limp dick who talks tough until he's face to face with someone (see his meeting with the Mexican president, meeting with Obama, Nikki Haley, etc...)

Not intending it even as a put-down, my intuition is that there just isn't the capital resorces there for the swinging part. (See Roy Cohen., or Roy Cohen and Donald Trump.)


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This is objectively not true though. The right responded to Obama with militias, the tea party, government shut-downs, birth certificate narratives, and worst of all- Don freaking Trump and his not-even-plurality of the vote.

Unlike the right, I won't support any government shut downs. I won't work to get people elected with literally no experience. I won't adopt contrarian positions SOLELY FOR THE SAKE of being contrarian. If Trump wants universal health care, I want my rep working with him on it.

But I'm not going to shut up about it, nor am I going to pretend that a spade isn't a spade. Trump made promise after promise in getting elected. Most of them were based on objectively false premises and will be impossible to fulfill. So I'm going to continue to say what I think about Trump.

First, I didn't vote for Trump and am not blind to his faults. That being said, I believe he's infinitely better than Hillary, and I'm happy he'll be appointing Supreme Court justices instead of her.

I have no problem with you or anyone else voicing intelligent, reasonable arguments or complaints. Stick around, as I'll probably voice a few of my own over the next 4-8 years. I'm just tired of the incessant whining from some and the over-the-top vitriol and childish behavior of so many whose candidate lost. It's crossed all lines of civil, adult, reasonable response.

Part of being a mature, reasonable person is dealing with adversity and loss. No matter who you are, your side or your team loses and you better be able to deal with it. We look down on those who act like a child in these situations (think of Cam after last year's Super Bowl loss). Pitching a temper tantrum and being ugly and divisive is counterproductive and pathetic.

Elected officials boycotting the inauguration is unseemly and childish. You do your duty and show some decorum. Can you imagine if dozens of Republican congressmen refused to attend Obama's inauguration 8 years ago? I'd have been appalled and disgusted with them too. Same if Hillary had won and they'd boycotted her inauguration. Honor the office and the day, regardless of whether you like the man or not. The over-the-top hatred, riots, demonstrations, threats to oppose everything Trump tries to do - good or bad - just to oppose, and nasty comments from celebrities and Joe Public is just uncalled for, divisive, childish, and bad for the country.
 

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The over-the-top hatred, riots, demonstrations, threats to oppose everything Trump tries to do - good or bad - just to oppose, and nasty comments from celebrities and Joe Public is just uncalled for, divisive, childish, and bad for the country.

I guess I just disagree that it's over the top and not a reasonable response to the election of Trump who got elected in the first place by insulting everyone who wasn't looking directly at him at the time. Trump's campaign was brilliant from a tactical standpoint but it was divisive and toxic and the backlash he's getting now and his historically low day one approval rating is a direct result of that toxicity.

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e. Though I agree with Obama and Sanders and other leading Dems who have come out and said that Dems should work with Trump where there is common ground.
 
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