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if you can be objective, you can find out. I won't tell you, its all there for YOU to find out.....or not. It's doesn't matter to me, I'm not trying to change heads or hearts. Facts don't care about feelings.

Really, I will be absolutely objective.

But, in being objective, and logical, how can I possibly know that what I find is what you have found?

I want to know for sure.

Who is paying these people? You have made a strong assertion, any inference is lost on me because I am being objective, so tell us all.
 

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Really, I will be absolutely objective.

But, in being objective, and logical, how can I possibly know that what I find is what you have found?

I want to know for sure.

Who is paying these people? You have made a strong assertion, any inference is lost on me because I am being objective, so tell us all.

Soros.
 

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Bubbles work both ways and if you seriously think that current anti-Trump or BLM protests are funded by shady corporate powers and not genuine reflections of anger then you're as out of touch as conservatives constantly claim liberals are. A not-even-plurality just elected a barely coherent demagogue- people are pissed.
 

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Bubbles work both ways and if you seriously think that current anti-Trump or BLM protests are funded by shady corporate powers and not genuine reflections of anger then you're as out of touch as conservatives constantly claim liberals are. A not-even-plurality just elected a barely coherent demagogue- people are pissed.

You're denying that George Soros funded BLM?
 

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Really, I will be absolutely objective.

But, in being objective, and logical, how can I possibly know that what I find is what you have found?

I want to know for sure.

Who is paying these people? You have made a strong assertion, any inference is lost on me because I am being objective, so tell us all.

This is so laughable! You are the least person to objective!
Just an expert on everything
 

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Bubbles work both ways and if you seriously think that current anti-Trump or BLM protests are funded by shady corporate powers and not genuine reflections of anger then you're as out of touch as conservatives constantly claim liberals are. A not-even-plurality just elected a barely coherent demagogue- people are pissed.

Yes, they're just angry. They should loot and riot like I did after Obama was elected.
 
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This is so laughable! You are the least person to objective!
Just an expert on everything

I've got it. I piss you off.

For everything I do, or don't do, I wonder if I would make the kind of assessments you do, after all, for all my shortcomings, I did ask for the posters information that led them to the conclusion to which they arrived. And I didn't even assume I had the ability to come to that same conclusion.

You are potentially correct, I could be a know-it-all dweeb that just has big pipes on the internet. I could even be a paid agent of a multi-national top secret organization whose goal is to spread misinformation and lies about epic American Dumbasses!

(Please note : Contrary to some individuals immediate knee-jerk reaction and judgement, I am actually not at this time with the content of my previous paragraph calling any individual whom I have previously commented on, whom I will in future comment on, or any poster to whom I respond, an epic American Dumbass! I am in fact with the previous paragraph referring to my obvious irritation with people who perform what I consider (ownership taken) epic dumbass behaviors, act in epic dumbass manners, or live with a perspective that promotes behaviors or a manner of general ongoing epic dumbassedness.)

Or I could just be having fun with people who like to hash insults like bullies, and can't take it when someone gives a little of it back to them.

Who do you think is paying people to protest against Donald Trump?

And now that you mention it, how much do they get paid?
 
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Yes, they're just angry. They should loot and riot like I did after Obama was elected.

Why would you have looted and rioted after Obama was elected?

I do not remember Barack Obama ever saying anything mean-spirited about anyone during his campaigns.

I do not remember any candidate ever lying the way Donald Trump did in this campaign. (And there are at least twenty reputable sources, including a Canadian journalist who have documented his incredible dishonesty.)

Help me here. It doesn't sound like you normally loot and riot. Is it because you were upset by his ethnic/racial ancestry?
 
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Bubbles work both ways and if you seriously think that current anti-Trump or BLM protests are funded by shady corporate powers and not genuine reflections of anger then you're as out of touch as conservatives constantly claim liberals are. A not-even-plurality just elected a barely coherent demagogue- people are pissed.


You're denying that George Soros funded BLM?

Man, I really looked. Hard.

I can't find any information that George Soros, the Koch Brothers, Doctor Evil, Spector, Hillary Clinton funded any evil groups!

Certainly not with the ability anyone has to dump billions legally into PAC's to influence elections in this country. I kind of wonder why anyone even needs to break the law anymore.

I wonder if that is because they didn't pay by check or ask for a receipt?

Please help me find this information. I hear a few people on the left decry the Kock Brothers. And a lot of people on the right decry mostly Soros, but a few others, and I don't get it. If they have evidence of illegality, they should turn it over to the proper law enforcement officials.

I did a little research into the protests against Donald Trump, though. And I found a site right their on the internet that was soliciting funds to protest his cabinet picks by sending people to express their displeasure to their elected officials, and to generally, peacefully protest Trumps inauguration, because of many of the things he has said, and thinking of this thread, I gave them $5. Does that make me an evil fiend backing the nefarious protest groups?
 
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A plan by Donald Trump to turf out dozens of ambassadors on the day he takes office risks months of uncertainty in some of the most sensitive parts of the world, according to several experts.
The president-elect's stance that all politically appointed ambassadors must, with no exceptions, be gone from Day One risks cutting off nations' direct line to the president while Congress wades through the lengthy process of approving their successors, analysts said.
This could be especially pertinent because of Trump's penchant for making candid foreign policy statements from his Twitter account; a good ambassador might be able to provide their host government with reassurances and explanation perhaps absent from the president-elect's forthright 140-character messages.
"You do not want to have a situation where countries are left without a direct link to the president for that long," said Julianne Smith, director of the Strategy and Statecraft Program at the Center for a New American Security, a Washington, D.C.-based think tank.
It's standard procedure for all ambassadors appointed by an administration to leave their posts at the end of the president's final term.
But this process is usually staggered, with some diplomats taking a so-called "grace period" and leaving their offices weeks or even months after the inauguration.

I guess, quite a bit.
 

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Man, I really looked. Hard.

then it must not exist, I must have completely made it all up. Because if you can't find anything out, then it must not be true.

Maybe if you spent 1/10th of the time doing 'objective research' as you spend 'berating your points' on this site in every single thread, you could actually find something. I'll warn you, it may effect your post count tho; you may only enough time for 117 posts, instead of the usual 177.

you were even told some clues, and still couldn't find anything out. I think your research skills are.....lacking.

You do understand that objective research means that you don't start out with a notion, then seek information to support that notion, right? Some ppl have a tough time finding facts, because they have a convenient way of being obfuscated by pre-conceived opinions.

As I said previously, I'm not trying to change heads or hearts; If you don't agree, can't agree, refuse to agree it doesn't effect me me one iota.
 
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Style and Substance

Style and Substance

Anti- is the new For.
Exclusion is the new inclusion.
Isolation is the new foreign policy.
Defund is the new social safety net.
Military blank checks are the new balanced budget.
Privatization is the new public policy.
Twitter is the new press conference.
Swift confirmation is the new vetting.
Polarization is not the old compromise.
Walls are the new values.
49% is a mandate.
Gilded is the new color of choice.
Divine guidance is now from Wall Street and the Tower.
Obstruction never happened.
Optional health care is the new poverty yardstick.
Cynicism is the new Intelligence.

Dude, get with the program!
 
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Bogtrotter07

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then it must not exist, I must have completely made it all up. Because if you can't find anything out, then it must not be true.

Maybe if you spent 1/10th of the time doing 'objective research' as you spend 'berating your points' on this site in every single thread, you could actually find something. I'll warn you, it may effect your post count tho; you may only enough time for 117 posts, instead of the usual 177.

you were even told some clues, and still couldn't find anything out. I think your research skills are.....lacking.

You do understand that objective research means that you don't start out with a notion, then seek information to support that notion, right? Some ppl have a tough time finding facts, because they have a convenient way of being obfuscated by pre-conceived opinions.

As I said previously, I'm not trying to change heads or hearts; If you don't agree, can't agree, refuse to agree it doesn't effect me me one iota.

Now you are doubling back on your original point. You sure as hell made it sound like information was there that anyone could find! Didn't you?

Instead of just coming out and saying what you were inferring, you continue with your only out, to attack me!

I am not interested in clues. Just facts. Complete and unvarnished.

Like this, a friend once told me that Hillary Clinton was guilty of ordering someones murder. Well good. Flesh it out for me. Was it Foster? Because some have been saying that for years, but it still isn't true. In this case it was some environmental protester, with whom Chiquita (Banana) had a serious issue. The truth is that the Clinton administration got involved in European trade issues related to American fruit companies. Something I am against, but not murder. So there was a left-wing, liberal who accused someone of doing something diabolical, that wasn't true. But the rumor though drenched in hyperbole, was allegorical of what happened.

So that is why I am asking for the facts, flat out. Another example :

Someone says, "A silver sedan was driving back and forth in front of the house, and parked in the driveway."

Then I say, "Well I own a silver sedan."

Next thing I hear is, "Bogs is stalking me!"

So please, say what you mean, so you don't have to keep saying nasty things about me, trying to defend yourself. You can PM me if you want. If you think someone will see your post, and retaliate, or whatever.
 
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Now you are doubling back on your original point. You sure as hell made it sound like information was there that anyone could find! Didn't you?

Instead of just coming out and saying what you were inferring, you continue with your only out, to attack me!

now I'm attacking you? You are trying to squash debate by claiming to be the victim now. I know what you are trying to do. It's as funny almost as much as it is predictable.

You don't need any 'special access', or 'insider information', or 'dont need to know a guy, who knows a guy', to find out any of what I'm talking about. Just an objective mind, to match with objective research skills.

And for the absolute last time, hell no I won't tell you. Step up and do it yourself....or not. it's all there for you to find out yourself, or to dismiss it.
HINT: dismissing it is far easier, and takes infinite less effort.

I have said all I am going to say on this subject, I will no longer be responding to your 'back and forth', you can have the last word(s). I'm giving you the courtesy of notification that I will no longer be replying.
 

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What government SHOULD do, regardless of which party is in charge, is invest in skilled trades, not free college. Nothing that the government pays for gets cheaper. It only gets more expensive. Paying for college will only raise the cost until even the government can no longer afford to provide an adequate level of service. By expanding skilled trades programs, you can churn out people ready to take on family wage jobs installing, maintaining, and repairing the automation equipment that would otherwise cause their unemployment; and they would spend the money that keeps plumbers, roofers, farmers, and car salesmen like Crusader employed. A degree in Modern Philosophy or History is not going to keep factories open, automated or not.

I agree somewhat with the above but education (i.e. college) and trades are not mutually exclusive. In fact some of the best "high dollar installers" I know have at least some college under their belt. I also think having accesss to low cost continuing education that would allow one to develop say their auto-cad, it or basic coding skills would be a fantastic idea.

In terms of just good old fashion general education I'll offer up an example from one of my fields of practice. In my opinion having an understanding of plant biology and physics is going to make one much better prepared to assess what rigging and pruning are appropriate for a given tree. One of the big issues I have seen and has been discussed in the professional literature in regards to tree care practices is the over reliance on "institutional" memory in terms of what proper tree care and or pruning practices are. In fact I was surprised at how lacking some of the aboricultural practices were that I saw when I walked around the campus at ND as recently as last year.
 
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Anti- is the new For.
Exclusion is the new inclusion.
Isolation is the new foreign policy.
Defund is the new social safety net.
Military blank checks are the new balanced budget.
Privatization is the new public policy.
Twitter is the new press conference.
Swift confirmation is the new vetting.
Polarization is not the old compromise.
Walls are the new values.
49% is a mandate.
Gilded is the new color of choice.
Divine guidance is now from Wall Street and the Tower.
Obstruction never happened.
Optional health care is the new poverty yardstick.
Cynicism is the new Intelligence.

Dude, get with the program!

Will you sign my pogrom for me?

I'm a collectivist.



I also firmly believe in the health benefits of pomegranates.

In spite of the fact that the seeds are a pain in my teeth – and later a pain in my arse.



Am I a contrarian?

Depends on which way the wind do blow.

And how fast.

And how foul.
 
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Saw this :

CIA director warns Trump as tensions rise with intelligence agencies

(Bloomberg) -- The outgoing CIA director called Donald Trump’s comments about the U.S. intelligence community “outrageous” and suggested the president-elect’s attitude toward Russia reflected an incomplete understanding of the country’s intentions.
The comments by John Brennan on “Fox News Sunday” came amid escalating tensions between the president-elect and the intelligence community following a series of insults and allegations by Trump in recent weeks.

On Jan. 11 Trump accused the the national security apparatus of being behind the leak by BuzzFeed of unverified and salacious reports connecting Trump to Russia. The president-election, who is scheduled to be inaugurated in five days, asked in a Twitter post, “are we living in Nazi Germany?”

“What I do find outrageous is equating intelligence community with Nazi Germany,” said Brennan, who served in the administrations of Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. “I do take great umbrage at that, and there is no basis for Mr. Trump to point fingers at the intelligence community for leaking information that was already available publicly.”

“There is no interest in undermining the president-elect,” he added.

‘Cadre of Professionals’
The information released had circulated in the intelligence community and within some news organizations for months and received occasional, scant treatment in the media, but it was only published in full by BuzzFeed on Jan. 10.

Outgoing White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough said on CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday that “the intelligence community is staffed by an unbelievable cadre of professionals who have dedicated their lives, and in many cases put their lives at risk, to get really critical, timely and important information to policy makers.”

Brennan, who characterized the off-the-cuff style that’s defined Trump’s public pronouncements as “not something that protects national security interests,” also suggested that Trump’s openness to friendship with Russia could originate from a lack of knowledge.

“I don’t think he has a full appreciation of Russian capabilities, Russians’ intentions, and actions that they are undertaking in many part of the world,” Brennan said. The intelligence community has accused Russia of hacking top-level Democrats during the election to help Trump -- a charge that led to earlier insults by Trump.

‘Be Very, Very Careful’
Brennan admonished Trump, who’s recently suggested he might lift sanctions on Russia, “to be mindful that he doesn’t yet, I think, have a full appreciation/understanding of what the implications are of such a move” amid Russia’s actions in Ukraine, Syria and online. He added that Trump “needs to be very, very careful.”

“I very much hope our relationship improves in the coming administration,” especially on counter-terrorism, Brennan added, “but there is a fair amount of responsibility on Russia’s part to change their behavior.”

Vice President-elect Mike Pence said in an earlier interview on the same program that cooperation on counter-terrorism was at the heart of Trump’s willingness to “explore the possibility of better relations” with Russia.

Flynn’s Phoners
“We have a common enemy in ISIS,” said Pence, using another name for the terrorist group Islamic State. “The ability to work with Russia to confront, hunt down, and destroy ISIS at its source represents an enormously important priority of this incoming administration.”

Pence also denied there were any contacts between Trump associates and Russia, as alleged in the unverified memo. He said incoming National Security Adviser Mike Flynn’s conversation with Russian Ambassador to the U.S. Sergey Kislyak in December, on the day President Barack Obama imposed new sanctions on Russia for the hacking was “not in any way related to new U.S. sanctions or the expulsion of diplomats.”

--With assistance from Miles Weiss To contact the reporter on this story: Ben Brody in Washington at btenerellabr@bloomberg.net. To contact the editors responsible for this story: Joshua Gallu at jgallu@bloomberg.net, Laurie Asseo, Ros Krasny
©2017 Bloomberg L.P.
 

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I agree somewhat with the above but education (i.e. college) and trades are not mutually exclusive. In fact some of the best "high dollar installers" I know have at least some college under their belt. I also think having accesss to low cost continuing education that would allow one to develop say their auto-cad, it or basic coding skills would be a fantastic idea.

In terms of just good old fashion general education I'll offer up an example from one of my fields of practice. In my opinion having an understanding of plant biology and physics is going to make one much better prepared to assess what rigging and pruning are appropriate for a given tree. One of the big issues I have seen and has been discussed in the professional literature in regards to tree care practices is the over reliance on "institutional" memory in terms of what proper tree care and or pruning practices are. In fact I was surprised at how lacking some of the aboricultural practices were that I saw when I walked around the campus at ND as recently as last year.

That stuff is already available at almost any community college. Inexpensively, too.
 

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TRUMP spent the weekend promising universal healthcare and questioning the ongoing validity of NATO, which puts him somewhere to the left of Raul Castro.
 

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So visited this thread a few times over the weeks post election...

With just a few days left before Trump takes the helm...

With all possible ridiculousness pondered, and some attempted to prevent him from taking office...

With assassination giving the the nation a true conservative in Pence...

In the words of Biden..."it's over".

Trump will be sworn in...he will likely undo virtually everything President Obama has done.

I think he will continue to tweet all manner of nutty shit to test his thoughts and troll people.

What's left...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oNvFPKujc5w
 
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TRUMP spent the weekend promising universal healthcare and questioning the ongoing validity of NATO, which puts him somewhere to the left of Raul Castro.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...obsolete-and-dismisses-eu-in-german-interview

They have sanctions on Russia -- let’s see if we can make some good deals with Russia,’’ Trump said, according to the Times. “For one thing, I think nuclear weapons should be way down and reduced very substantially, that’s part of it.’’

Trump’s reported comments leave little doubt that he’ll stick to campaign positions and may in some cases upend decades of U.S. foreign policy, putting him fundamentally at odds with German Chancellor Angela Merkel on issues from free trade and refugees to security and the EU’s role in the world.

Repeating a criticism of NATO he made during his campaign, Trump said that while trans-Atlantic military alliance is important, it “has problems.”

It’s obsolete, first because it was designed many, many years ago,” Trump said in the Bild version of the interview. “Secondly, countries aren’t paying what they should” and NATO “didn’t deal with terrorism.” The Times quoted Trump saying that only five NATO members are paying their fair share.

The President of the United States is going out of his way to accomplish the geopolitical goals of Russia.

Russia, with its failing economy, ageing and sick population, and decaying military can't do a thing to NATO on the ground. They need to incite internal division within NATO and the EU to bring it down from the inside...and the fucking President of the United States is going to help them do it. It was worrisome during the campaign and its appalling now.

Of course Putin would trade a nuke deal for lifted sanctions. Russia doesn't want to maintain thousands of warheads. This is how Trump and his Russian oligarchs are going to get the sanctions lifted though. "See, we're saving billions on maintenance costs! Tremendous deal!"

It's like when Rex Tillerson said before Congress last week that he thought the United States should have armed Ukraine and not necessarily gone with sanctions. Of course Russia would want us to do that--they don't want to invade the Ukraine as a whole since they have Crimea and an eastern sliver. Those weapons can sit there all damn day as far as Putin is concerned, he would've achieved his objectives. And he'd achieve them again if/when Trump gets the sanctions lifted in exchange for reducing weapons of no geopolitical significance.

And as for NATO "didn't deal with terrorism," he's just plain wrong. The only Article 5 declaration in NATO's history was after 9/11 in which NATO marched in Afghanistan...regardless you can just see Trump being a cheerleader for Russia here again. He's going to talk up their actions in Syria and "cut a deal" there on ISIS as some part of a sanctions-lifting move.

It's fucking sickening that this guy is President.

Bonus article: Donald Trump avoids saying who he trusts more — Vladimir Putin or Angela Merkel | The Independent

President-elect Donald Trump has avoided saying who he trusts more — German Chancellor Angela Merkel, a longtime US-ally, or Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“Well, I start off trusting both — but let’s see how long that lasts,"
 
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This is what I'd be saying if she won.

He's not my dream candidate, but I am hoping he can put the right people in place to create jobs and grow the economy past the slow march we've had for years.

I hope he listens to Mattis and that would be a huuuuuuge improvement over where we've been on foreign policy. Look, Obama f'd up in Syria and it has snowballed. When the red line fell and Iran and Russia ran the dance, it was over.

It's not like Trump is loading up planes of cash to send off to Tehran.


I'll be glad I voted for him when his new Justice is the swing vote in Peruta v. Commiefornia later this year.

Yes, I would love it if they took his tweeter away and made him a tad more professional. However, I'm still optimistic that he can get things done.

My fear is that the protests and obstruction is about to reach a new level and set a nasty precedent.
 

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I find it rather humorous that the Trump bashers aren't saying a word about Rep John Lewis making such idiotic statements and not attending the inauguration. Trump should simply ignore this guys comments rather than throw his own darts, but Lewis's protest is not the way to bring this country together. He's welcome to his opinions, but he should have not made those comments to the press.
 

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I find it rather humorous that the Trump bashers aren't saying a word about Rep John Lewis making such idiotic statements and not attending the inauguration. Trump should simply ignore this guys comments rather than throw his own darts, but Lewis's protest is not the way to bring this country together. He's welcome to his opinions, but he should have not made those comments to the press.

Ahh... the "I know you are but what am I" retort.
 
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