Tony Alford

[ThePiombino]

DUHhhes not hraanr great a RB coach bur he's scuk a good recruiter it mask uo for it; Denson would be a k repacemn t for him imo but he wpmt be a s good a s alford as a recruiter.

We reallu nedd to win 10 games next yeast. Anything less ids unacceptable Losy our two best recruitersanf the offseason is a month old d.

You stroking out, bro?

 

[bigedefense]

DUHhhes not hraanr great a RB coach bur he's scuk a good recruiter it mask uo for it; Denson would be a k repacemn t for him imo but he wpmt be a s good a s alford as a recruiter.

We reallu nedd to win 10 games next yeast. Anything less ids unacceptable Losy our two best recruitersanf the offseason is a month old d.

I agree with you, next yeastis important!

 

[Me2SouthBend]

DUHhhes not hraanr great a RB coach bur he's scuk a good recruiter it mask uo for it; Denson would be a k repacemn t for him imo but he wpmt be a s good a s alford as a recruiter.

We reallu nedd to win 10 games next yeast. Anything less ids unacceptable Losy our two best recruitersanf the offseason is a month old d.

You should've left the bar when Beau did. I'll send you some V aspirin but you will certainly need the real ones when you wake up.

 

[dang227]

It's not all about money. Not even close.

Any way you can elaborate?

 

[kmoose]

Eifert garnered much more attention than Jones. Jones did that without much attention from the defense, while Eifert did it IN SPITE of all the attention. Eifert also made several more impact catches for us that year. It's a moot point regardless, since Jones wasn't coached by Alford in 2012.

The point wasn't that Alford developed Jones. Someone said that, outside of Golson, they didn't see a single Alford recruit that would have made much of a difference in the win/loss column. We would likely NOT have gone 12-0 in 2012 without Jones. Then someone said that they didn't think losing Jones would have made a difference in 2012. They said that they could see losing Eifert making a difference, but not Jones. The question is not whether or nor Jones was as good as Eifert. His production was almost identical.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Just curious about something here. Does Urban Meyer really need Tony Alford's recruiting prowess coming off a National Championship at OSU? You can pretty much get anyone you want into that school I would imagine anyway. Seems like guys will be falling over each other to go there now.
Another thing is that 2 hour delay. I know LA said this decision isn't about the money and BK can't just hand out raises without approval. But I just get the feeling that BK kind of left the door open for some of theses changes to happen. Clearly I could be wrong but I feel it's more of a coaching ability issue more than recruiting with both Cooks and Alford.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Just curious about something here. Does Urban Meyer really need Tony Alford's recruiting prowess coming off a National Championship at OSU? You can pretty much get anyone you want into that school I would imagine anyway. Seems like guys will be falling over each other to go there now.
Another thing is that 2 hour delay. I know LA said this decision isn't about the money and BK can't just hand out raises without approval. But I just get the feeling that BK kind of left the door open for some of theses changes to happen. Clearly I could be wrong but I feel it's more of a coaching ability issue more than recruiting with both Cooks and Alford.

The BK delay doesn't strike me as odd at all. Maybe he was in the gym or with his family. After national signing day, I think it's okay (even healthy) for a coach to unplug for 2 hours on a Saturday morning.

 

[kmoose]

Just curious about something here. Does Urban Meyer really need Tony Alford's recruiting prowess coming off a National Championship at OSU? You can pretty much get anyone you want into that school I would imagine anyway. Seems like guys will be falling over each other to go there now.

There were 8 classes ahead of them on Rivals (7 on Scout), so obviously they still have some selling to do.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

DUHhhes not hraanr great a RB coach bur he's scuk a good recruiter it mask uo for it; Denson would be a k repacemn t for him imo but he wpmt be a s good a s alford as a recruiter.

We reallu nedd to win 10 games next yeast. Anything less ids unacceptable Losy our two best recruitersanf the offseason is a month old d.

Someone get an ambulance out to NDPhilly's house!

 

[FDNYIrish1]

The BK delay doesn't strike me as odd at all. Maybe he was in the gym or with his family. After national signing day, I think it's okay (even healthy) for a coach to unplug for 2 hours on a Saturday morning.

I agree. I know it bothers some guys from reading through the threads on here the past couple of days. I should've been more clear with my wording.

 

[ARALOU]

Coach Alford has moved on. He was a part of the Irish resurgence. How much of a part? Who knows? He goes to OSU where it will probably be easier to recruit. May make more money, he won't have to deal with admission standards or kids getting suspended for academic issues. He will compete for Titles and probably move on in a few years. He obviously can identify talent. A class full of 5 stars is OK for the recruit rankings but its the lower rated, diamonds in the rough, that really make coaches look good.


One would have to really love to recruit for Notre Dame to stay when OSU comes calling.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

There were 8 classes ahead of them on Rivals (7 on Scout), so obviously they still have some selling to do.

True. I'm just looking for a silver lining I guess. Between this and Harbaugh, I'm trying to convince myself there's only so many players they can take! . Have a great Sunday everyone.

 

[scUM Hater]

DUHhhes not hraanr great a RB coach bur he's scuk a good recruiter it mask uo for it; Denson would be a k repacemn t for him imo but he wpmt be a s good a s alford as a recruiter.

We reallu nedd to win 10 games next yeast. Anything less ids unacceptable Losy our two best recruitersanf the offseason is a month old d.

Post of the year, or in ND PHILLY language: pays if be yeast

 

[rtrn2glory]

i can only imagine how lethal he's going to be recruiting without having to worry about admissions with urban.

he's going to take his recruiting to an all new level and that's saying quite a bit for the likes of coach alford

 

[Sherm Sticky]

i can only imagine how lethal he's going to be recruiting without having to worry about admissions with urban.

he's going to take his recruiting to an all new level and that's saying quite a bit for the likes of coach alford

I've been thinking about that. His whole game at ND was about: getting a world class education, getting out of your comfort zone and becoming a man. He really can't say any of that at OSU.


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[Grahambo]

Just curious about something here. Does Urban Meyer really need Tony Alford's recruiting prowess coming off a National Championship at OSU? You can pretty much get anyone you want into that school I would imagine anyway. Seems like guys will be falling over each other to go there now.
Another thing is that 2 hour delay. I know LA said this decision isn't about the money and BK can't just hand out raises without approval. But I just get the feeling that BK kind of left the door open for some of theses changes to happen. Clearly I could be wrong but I feel it's more of a coaching ability issue more than recruiting with both Cooks and Alford.

If Stan Drayton doesn't leave for Chicago then we wouldn't be talking about TA leaving THIS season. It was stated by legit sources that Alford was told during his CSU interview that he needed more in regards to title. Could BK have given it? Perhaps but it doesn't sound like BK was given a chance. And so be it.

TA reached an impasse at ND. He left for a program where he can focus more on coaching and I'm okay with that. He served 6 years at ND. He's paid his dues. Good for him on taking the opportunity.

The BK delay doesn't strike me as odd at all. Maybe he was in the gym or with his family. After national signing day, I think it's okay (even healthy) for a coach to unplug for 2 hours on a Saturday morning.

Exactly. I have no problem with it either. Part of me wonders of TA was glad BK didn't answer.

i can only imagine how lethal he's going to be recruiting without having to worry about admissions with urban.

he's going to take his recruiting to an all new level and that's saying quite a bit for the likes of coach alford

Honestly? OSU was doing just fine in recruiting and with Harbaugh in Michigan, it will be tough sledding. Will TA improve OSU's chances? Who knows. How good of a recruiter was Stan? What set TA apart was his ability to preach academics to kids who wouldn't normally be interested and now that he's at OSU, that is stripped away.

It's like taking the one super power away from a superhero.

 

[Kingbish01]

I've been thinking about that. His whole game at ND was about: getting a world class education, getting out of your comfort zone and becoming a man. He really can't say any of that at OSU.


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He better come up with a new pitch anyway. He didn't recruit anyone to ND during his time there that would have made OSU any better.

 

[BeauBenken]

DUHhhes not hraanr great a RB coach bur he's scuk a good recruiter it mask uo for it; Denson would be a k repacemn t for him imo but he wpmt be a s good a s alford as a recruiter.

We reallu nedd to win 10 games next yeast. Anything less ids unacceptable Losy our two best recruitersanf the offseason is a month old d.

Now I know you're not 21, so son, you got some splainin' to do.

You should've left the bar when Beau did. I'll send you some V aspirin but you will certainly need the real ones when you wake up.

Wine? At a bar? Nah. I bought one of those jumbo bottles a couple weeks ago and decided it was time for it to go.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Gonna be some interesting recruiting battles coming up. Going head to head with TA 2 or 3 times a year should be fun.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

You know what I have nothing but love for Alford. Remember 2009, he recruited Nix to ND with no head coach. He didn't even know if he would have a job after the new head coach was hired, but still brought Nix to ND.




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[ARALOU]

He is certainly a good recruiter. Lots of key contributors he is associated with. Can you imagine the train wreck on signing day if this gets out before kids sign? This didnt just come up.

 

[phork]

Note sure if this was brought into the discussion. But his official title at OSU is RB Coach & Assistant Head Coach.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Any way you can elaborate?

Most of it has come out already. He wants to be a head coach badly, and he needs to boost his resume. CSU straight out told him he needed to add more titles to his resume if he wanted to be a serious candidate. Going to work for Urban, where he can now add "associate head coach" (or whatever it is) is a step up for him. People that don't know football and how it works will tell you it's a title in name only, but he'll have a lot more duties on the administration side of things that head coaches do, so the experience will be invaluable.

A reporter friend of mine who knows Alford well told me in late December that Alford wanted out of South Bend because he needed to add to his resume. So this is not a shock to people at ND (a shock to fans, for sure). What was holding him back was that he was making a competitive salary here (while asst pay is lagging, he was doing just fine), and his deceased brother's family is living with him now. SO he couldn't take a pay cut to go to a smaller school. But OSU offered him a good salary, and like I said, a chance to enhance his resume. That was what sealed the deal.

 

[dang227]

Tony Alford

Most of it has come out already. He wants to be a head coach badly, and he needs to boost his resume. CSU straight out told him he needed to add more titles to his resume if he wanted to be a serious candidate. Going to work for Urban, where he can now add "associate head coach" (or whatever it is) is a step up for him. People that don't know football and how it works will tell you it's a title in name only, but he'll have a lot more duties on the administration side of things that head coaches do, so the experience will be invaluable.

A reporter friend of mine who knows Alford well told me in late December that Alford wanted out of South Bend because he needed to add to his resume. So this is not a shock to people at ND (a shock to fans, for sure). What was holding him back was that he was making a competitive salary here (while asst pay is lagging, he was doing just fine), and his deceased brother's family is living with him now. SO he couldn't take a pay cut to go to a smaller school. But OSU offered him a good salary, and like I said, a chance to enhance his resume. That was what sealed the deal.

Thanks. Any idea why Kelly wouldn't have given him at least a Co-OC title before this all went down?

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Most of it has come out already. He wants to be a head coach badly, and he needs to boost his resume. CSU straight out told him he needed to add more titles to his resume if he wanted to be a serious candidate. Going to work for Urban, where he can now add "associate head coach" (or whatever it is) is a step up for him. People that don't know football and how it works will tell you it's a title in name only, but he'll have a lot more duties on the administration side of things that head coaches do, so the experience will be invaluable.

A reporter friend of mine who knows Alford well told me in late December that Alford wanted out of South Bend because he needed to add to his resume. So this is not a shock to people at ND (a shock to fans, for sure). What was holding him back was that he was making a competitive salary here (while asst pay is lagging, he was doing just fine), and his deceased brother's family is living with him now. SO he couldn't take a pay cut to go to a smaller school. But OSU offered him a good salary, and like I said, a chance to enhance his resume. That was what sealed the deal.

This type of insider knowledge humanizes the betrayal we fans feel. We do nothing to feed his family** and we aren't privy to each coach's professional aspirations. Alford was a great coach for us, we have three top-10 RBs from Florida because of his efforts and he contributed to the family feeling at ND.

**some people believe we indirectly pay these coaches since we follow ND, buy tickets and gear, etc. We are the mass of fans who support college football but we make no earmarked contributions for Coach Alford, we help sustain the pigskin slush-fund that keeps the coaching tables turning.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

And BK shakes up the coaching tree like he should. Production from the very talented RB corps has produced mixed results; average to slightly above average at best.

This has less to do with ND then it does Alford trying to re-energize his career. He tried for CSU and lost out due to job title so now he goes for the title. If its true and he couldn't wait for BK to return his phone call then he was more or less looking for a reason to leave and not a reason to stay.

Staff shakeups are not the worst in the world and as has been said, the team has underperformed lately. Allow BK to finish making the changes. There's still some work to be done.

Good points on this thread man. I completely agree with this. I'm just curious of one thing though, maybe you guys can clarify for me. Do you think the job title thing by CSU is a bit of a cop out? As I've said, I'm not that familiar with job descriptions and duties of a major college football staff. But this mans been around the college game for a while and I'm just curious how much actually goes on in a program beyond the different levels of coaches. I just ask because it seems yearly some less qualified guys come out of nowhere and land head jobs. Guys like Fitzgerald land head coaching jobs real early and TA gets told he needs more titles and qualifications. Just something I've been pondering a bit.

 

[Classic Irish]

No, I don't think Alford is that type of a guy. I'm referring to Meyer. He gets a great recruiter and a chance to get some recruiting wins against ND as a bonus.

Any player that would choose Ohio State over an ND degree belongs at Ohio State.

 

[kmoose]

Any player that would choose Ohio State over an ND degree belongs at Ohio State.

I don't think that's really fair. Ohio State is not Miami or Florida State. I mean, Craig Krenzel is probably one of the smartest guys on the planet. I know that ND has a long history of having really smart football players, but that doesn't mean that no one else has ever had any.

 

[Grahambo]

Good points on this thread man. I completely agree with this. I'm just curious of one thing though, maybe you guys can clarify for me. Do you think the job title thing by CSU is a bit of a cop out? As I've said, I'm not that familiar with job descriptions and duties of a major college football staff. But this mans been around the college game for a while and I'm just curious how much actually goes on in a program beyond the different levels of coaches. I just ask because it seems yearly some less qualified guys come out of nowhere and land head jobs. Guys like Fitzgerald land head coaching jobs real early and TA gets told he needs more titles and qualifications. Just something I've been pondering a bit.

Go back a page and read what NDinLA said. He's about as accurate as you can get.

 

[kmoose]

Good points on this thread man. I completely agree with this. I'm just curious of one thing though, maybe you guys can clarify for me. Do you think the job title thing by CSU is a bit of a cop out? As I've said, I'm not that familiar with job descriptions and duties of a major college football staff. But this mans been around the college game for a while and I'm just curious how much actually goes on in a program beyond the different levels of coaches. I just ask because it seems yearly some less qualified guys come out of nowhere and land head jobs. Guys like Fitzgerald land head coaching jobs real early and TA gets told he needs more titles and qualifications. Just something I've been pondering a bit.

Pat Fitzgerald was a "hire from within" promotion. He was a LBs coach and a recruiting coordinator there, so they already had a pretty good idea of both his coaching skills, and his administrative skills. In addition, he was promoted after the death of Randy Walker, and was probably given the job more to steady the players who had to be shaken than to be the long term solution. He then made the most of the opportunity.