'14 NY DT Thomas Holley (Florida Verbal)

[Irish#1]

Just goes to show you the kind of person Holley is then. He doesn't want to commit to the 40 year plan. Hayes gave him the layout and he chose not to follow it. He chose the easy path. Oh well, time to focus on Elam then.

When I was 18 I always took the easy path. I think I've done well for myself and my family.

 

[NDWorld247]

Just goes to show you the kind of person Holley is then. He doesn't want to commit to the 40 year plan. Hayes gave him the layout and he chose not to follow it. He chose the easy path. Oh well, time to focus on Elam then.

He hasn't decided or chosen anything yet. With the exception of not committing before his season, he's done everything he said he would throughout the process. He said he would "definitely" visit ND in an interview less than a week ago and I fully expect him to. No need to be concerned, and definitely no need to infer what kind of person he his based on the school he chooses. What's that say about you as a person?

Tom Lemming is Loy before Loy was Loy.

I really, really dislike Tom Lemming as a human being. I've spent some time around him and he's insufferable. On day 1, I was excited to meet him and he asked me to be on his show which was taping a few days later. Halfway through day 2, I couldn't stand speaking with him. By day 3, I was avoiding all conversations with him and made up an excuse as to why I couldn't go on his show on day 4. I didn't care that I was about to make my TV debut speaking about a subject I was passionate and knowledgeable about. I was afraid my disdain for him would be obvious to viewers and did not trust him to not make the segment all about him. That's what he does. Everything is all about him, the people he knows, the things he's done, etc. Not even Tom Lemming's mother, wife, kids, etc, like Tom Lemming more than Tom Lemming likes himself.

With that said, I respect his opinion as a talent evaluator. He gets out there and evaluates these kids in person. He talks to the kids, coaches, teachers, etc. He's seen tens of thousands recruits over the last 15+ years and generally knows his shits. IMO, there's really no comparison to Loy other than they're both annoying and quick to pat themselves on the back. If Tom thinks Dickerson will be better than Holley, I really have no reason not to believe him. He has a lot more info on both of these guys than I do, and I am really high on Dickerson so it's not that crazy IMO.

 

[ulukinatme]

If Tom thinks Dickerson will be better than Holley, I really have no reason not to believe him. He has a lot more info on both of these guys than I do, and I am really high on Dickerson so it's not that crazy IMO.

It's also worth remembering that Holley only has a little more than a year under his belt in football with no prior experience. Not that high school experience qualifies for a lot, but it helps when you've honed your techniques and had live game experience. I'd still love to have Holley, or Elam, but if it isn't meant to be then we'll be fine in the end as always.

 

[NDWorld247]

It's also worth remembering that Holley only has a little more than a year under his belt in football with no prior experience. Not that high school experience qualifies for a lot, but it helps when you've honed your techniques and had live game experience. I'd still love to have Holley, or Elam, but if it isn't meant to be then we'll be fine in the end as always.

I agree 100% and I would love to have Holley. He's one of my favorite recruits in this class. I should have said this in my previous post, but I think Lemming's comments were meant to say more about Dickerson than Holley. Holley has received the respect he deserves from services while Dickerson has not. I think Lemming was basically saying "screw the stars, this kid is a freaking player", which is an opinion I agree with.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I really, really dislike Tom Lemming as a human being. I've spent some time around him and he's insufferable. On day 1, I was excited to meet him and he asked me to be on his show which was taping a few days later. Halfway through day 2, I couldn't stand speaking with him. By day 3, I was avoiding all conversations with him and made up an excuse as to why I couldn't go on his show on day 4. I didn't care that I was about to make my TV debut speaking about a subject I was passionate and knowledgeable about. I was afraid my disdain for him would be obvious to viewers and did not trust him to not make the segment all about him. That's what he does. Everything is all about him, the people he knows, the things he's done, etc. Not even Tom Lemming's mother, wife, kids, etc, like Tom Lemming more than Tom Lemming likes himself.

Has anyone else noticed 247 slowly revealing himself to be "The Most Interesting Man in the World*"?

*Apologies to Me2SouthBend

 

[Irishnuke]

Just goes to show you the kind of person Holley is then. He doesn't want to commit to the 40 year plan. Hayes gave him the layout and he chose not to follow it. He chose the easy path. Oh well, time to focus on Elam then.

If this is the shits your bring to the table then stop posting here. No need for this crap.

 

[NDWorld247]

Has anyone else noticed 247 slowly revealing himself to be "The Most Interesting Man in the World*"?

*Apologies to Me2SouthBend

Lol. Thanks, Whiskey. I've been fortunate in that my unorthodox path in life has led me to a unique career that affords me some great experiences within the sport, and, in turn, some interesting stories. I'll try to continue sharing them when appropriate.

 

[ACamp1900]

Lol. Thanks, Whiskey. I've been fortunate in that my unorthodox path in life has led me to a unique career that affords me some great experiences within the sport, and, in turn, some interesting stories. I'll try to continue sharing them when appropriate.

So your backstage experiences with rodeo clowns and midgets are off the table then???

 

[Irish#1]

So your backstage experiences with rodeo clowns and midgets are off the table then???

Ouch!

 

[Ironman8]

Rumor on the Rivals Main Board, from Buckeye fans, that OSU is now out of it for Holley. Not entirely clear why, but it seems Urban may have given him an ultimatum and Holley didn't like that and the two parted ways.

Looks like PSU is the team to beat, unless we can get him on campus for a visit later in the winter.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I heard something about an offer that wasn't actionable. Ant? Ant? Ant?

 

[ThePiombino]

Rumor on the Rivals Main Board, from Buckeye fans, that OSU is now out of it for Holley. Not entirely clear why, but it seems Urban may have given him an ultimatum and Holley didn't like that and the two parted ways.

Looks like PSU is the team to beat, unless we can get him on campus for a visit later in the winter.

Do like. The less competition the better. Duh.

 

[Luckylucci]

Rumor on the Rivals Main Board, from Buckeye fans, that OSU is now out of it for Holley. Not entirely clear why, but it seems Urban may have given him an ultimatum and Holley didn't like that and the two parted ways.

Looks like PSU is the team to beat, unless we can get him on campus for a visit later in the winter.

I'm still holding out for a visit. I don't see why he wouldn't come for a free weekend to the holy grail of CFB.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Crap ton of CB predictions for Holley to PSU the last 12 hours.

Well, if OSU is out of it, then it comes down to PSU, ND and Florida, as he's stated he wants to OV to Florida.

 

[Ironman8]

I heard something about an offer that wasn't actionable. Ant? Ant? Ant?

Some OSU fans are rationalizing it that they are closing in on Solomon Thomas so they don't need Holley. I was under the impression Thomas was Stanford's to lose, so something either changed there or they are delusional.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Rumor on the Rivals Main Board, from Buckeye fans, that OSU is now out of it for Holley. Not entirely clear why, but it seems Urban may have given him an ultimatum and Holley didn't like that and the two parted ways.

Looks like PSU is the team to beat, unless we can get him on campus for a visit later in the winter.

Urban probably will come up with something like he did with Davonte Neal so that he can save face somehow.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I'm still holding out for a visit. I don't see why he wouldn't come for a free weekend to the holy grail of CFB.

They should be mailing him the Notre Dame Depth Chart every damn day from here on out.

 

[ThePiombino]

At this point, hold out for an OV to the banquet and show mad love to Nix.

 

[Luckylucci]

Some OSU fans are rationalizing it that they are closing in on Solomon Thomas so they don't need Holley. I was under the impression Thomas was Stanford's to lose, so something either changed there or they are delusional.

I'll side with delusional. Until I see him say that there is no way they are close to getting a commitment from him. I would bet Urban told that to Holley and Holley said F this crap i'm out.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I'll side with delusional. Until I see him say that there is no way they are close to getting a commitment from him. I would bet Urban told that to Holley and Holley said F this crap i'm out.

Two unofficials is nothing to sneeze at though.

 

[IrishLax]

I really think Soloman Thomas could end up at either Texas or Ohio State when all is said and done. To put it simply, I know he likes Stanford and has had them out front, but if he was a true Stanford to the bone type of kid he would've liked Notre Dame more. The fact that we didn't leave a big impression coupled with big state schools gaining steam late in the game shows there is some serious pull towards things Stanford doesn't offer.

On Holley, it's simply too bad that we got out recruited. Hat tip to PSU.

 

[Luckylucci]

I wasn't saying they don't have a chance, according him Solomon 7 or so teams have a chance. I just don't think they are the favorites at this point like the Bucknutters are saying.

 

[irishandy]

Maybe Diaco can get him like he got Ishaq.

 

[PANDFAN]

Some OSU fans are rationalizing it that they are closing in on Solomon Thomas so they don't need Holley. I was under the impression Thomas was Stanford's to lose, so something either changed there or they are delusional.

everything i read...he absolutely raved about his visit to osu

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Has anyone else noticed 247 slowly revealing himself to be "The Most Interesting Man in the World*"?

*Apologies to Me2SouthBend

Lol. Thanks, Whiskey. I've been fortunate in that my unorthodox path in life has led me to a unique career that affords me some great experiences within the sport, and, in turn, some interesting stories. I'll try to continue sharing them when appropriate.

Thus far the experiences you've discussed seem somewhat pedestrian, but then again I once parallel parked a train.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Kuerlic at OSU 247 is spinning it that Urban and Warriner went to his HS last week and got new film from his senior season and thought he took plays off and passed. This is the "same thing" that happened with Derrick Green. I mean don't college coaches get HS film like through the internet? They still have to actually go to the school to pick up the tape?

What I think really happened is that Urban and Co visited and Holley basically told them he was feeling PSU so then OSU "dropped him."

Another poster at Bucknuts posted this:

My previous point was made last month after I spoke personally with Thomas Holley after his Friday night game against Brooklyn Erasmus and Curtis Samuels. I posted that night, that I was confused about all the information on Bucknuts that had OSU tied for first with PSU on Holley, when Holley had specifically just told me to my face that OSU was not even in his top 4!!
Even after I tried to sell to Holley how OSU had the great coaches and players that would get him to the NFL, and maybe even a NC, he just chuckled and stated clearly that his top three choices were PSU, Fla, ND. He didn't care about cold weather , being a Northern guy. he just liked Fla ability to put DLs in NFL. He said Fla wanted him to replace one of there DLs who was going to the league. He said it was between PSU, FLA, and ND. When I pressed, He even listed Syracuse ahead of OSU. He said he was leaving that weekend to visit OSU, and he liked the coaches, but they were NOT in his top 3. He did not seemed as enthused about OSU as the others from his tone.
I posted later that night on this board that based on my conversation with Holley, that Urban might have more of an uphill battle getting Holley than what was being reported. I will never count out Urban in recruiting, so I was hoping that he might be able to pull a rabbit out of his hat in getting Holley.
Despite my posting what Thomas told me, his recruitment kept being portrayed on this site as an OSU / PSU battle.
That simply was Not accurate then.
Now maybe Our great coaching staff changed Holleys mind after his visit, and I hope they did. But I heard nothing from him then and have heard nothing since that would make me more optimistic about OSU getting him. So I don't know why we wasted so much time hyping this recruitment, when in reality we were not one of his top 2?
I want to know who the real potential OSU 2014 signees will be. I think we made progress but it was not enough.
Now it sounds from what Bill K is saying, we have decided to move on. It sounds like the staff has recently discovered somthing they see in Holleys' game that is not what they are looking for. I believe this, andI think it is a blessing for both parties as Holley probably was going to Fla or PSU ahead of OSU anyways.
i trust the coaching staffs judgement implicitly in this is the case, and feel relieved that we can spend this schollie on a player who will be more successful in the OSU defense. I just feel it this recruitment has been much to do about nothing for quite a few weeks, and we should have been spending our time listening to what Holley was actually saying instead of what we wanted him to say.
Having said that, I am sure we have learned from this oversight, and we will do a more accurate job with recruits going forward.

 

[IrishLax]

Kuerlic at OSU 247 is spinning it that Urban and Warriner went to his HS last week and got new film from his senior season and thought he took plays off and passed. This is the "same thing" that happened with Derrick Green. I mean don't college coaches get HS film like through the internet? They still have to actually go to the school to pick up the tape?

What I think really happened is that Urban and Co visited and Holley basically told them he was feeling PSU so then OSU "dropped him."

Another poster at Bucknuts posted this:

Really seems like a Davonte Neal situation where they had to fabricate some reason why he might not be interested in them. Also, he and Solomon Thomas play completely different positions so I don't know how their recruitments would be related.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Kuerlic at OSU 247 is spinning it that Urban and Warriner went to his HS last week and got new film from his senior season and thought he took plays off and passed. This is the "same thing" that happened with Derrick Green. I mean don't college coaches get HS film like through the internet? They still have to actually go to the school to pick up the tape?

What I think really happened is that Urban and Co visited and Holley basically told them he was feeling PSU so then OSU "dropped him."

Another poster at Bucknuts posted this:

 

[ThePiombino]

Kuerlic at OSU 247 is spinning it that Urban and Warriner went to his HS last week and got new film from his senior season and thought he took plays off and passed. This is the "same thing" that happened with Derrick Green. I mean don't college coaches get HS film like through the internet? They still have to actually go to the school to pick up the tape?

What I think really happened is that Urban and Co visited and Holley basically told them he was feeling PSU so then OSU "dropped him."

Another poster at Bucknuts posted this:

In a matter of a single post he goes from no interest from Holley to no interest from the coaches lolol! Oh, ignorance truly is bliss.

 

[dublinirish]

Difference between game film and highlight reels. Anybody can look good on a 3 minute clip