Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator

[calvegas04]

Tommy did everything to overcome Satan's mistakes but they were just too many.

 

[NDRock]

The one thing I was sure of when Rees went to Bama, we wouldn’t hear anyone talk about his lack of talent on offense. I was wrong.

 

[Irish#1]

Their o-linne was getting smashed by the wolverine d-line so you might be wrong there.

Michigan is the better team.

Michigan was the better team, but you have to wonder how many yards and points Bama lost due to poor snaps. There were the obvious really bad snaps, but that center had about a dozen others that got the play off on the wrong foot and threw things out of sync.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I'm beginning to think that Tommy's problem as a (college) coach is that he is a great playcaller but struggles to develop talent. Every single year, the narrative is about how Rees "calls a great game given what he had on the roster." Well now he's at freaking Alabama with one of the most talented rosters ever (per 247 team talent) and we are still talking about how he had to overcome roster flaws.

It might be why him being an OC in the NFL is what many feel is the most likely outcome for him.

He definitely walked into an Alabama team that isn't nearly as strong as so many of the previous ones have been. I believe two of their entire WR recruiting classes all transferred out of the program recently?

The constant revolving door of coordinators and assistants may have finally caught up with Saban, too.

 

[BobbyMac]

It might be why him being an OC in the NFL is what many feel is the most likely outcome for him.

He definitely walked into an Alabama team that isn't nearly as strong as so many of the previous ones have been. I believe two of their entire WR recruiting classes all transferred out of the program recently?

The constant revolving door of coordinators and assistants may have finally caught up with Saban, too.

They're not as good, they don't have the game wreckers they've had in years past but their lead in team APR is astounding.

They are at 94.5

OSU is at 93.4

UGa is 93 and teams 4-12 are in the 91's.

It also looks like Tommy brought BK's dancing lineman schemes with him. Bama's OL is young and HUUUUGE but he's pulling 360 lb RG's on a 2 pt conversion play... and he blocks no one.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

They're not as good, they don't have the game wreckers they've had in years past but their lead in team APR is astounding.

They are at 94.5

OSU is at 93.4

UGa is 93 and teams 4-12 are in the 91's.

It also looks like Tommy brought BK's dancing lineman schemes with him. Bama's OL is young and HUUUUGE but he's pulling 360 lb RG's on a 2 pt conversion play... and he blocks no one.

Glad you brought this up because I absolutely hate it.

Those Poodle USC teams back in the day, if there was one thing they did that I absolutely loved was when they ran the ball EVERY offensive lineman had a hat on someone. All five guys engaged a defender rather than blocking air in a space. I loved it about them as much as they made me puke.

 

[ColinKSU]

Overall, there are quite a few here that would blame Tommy for Saban catching a cold and it's probably not a logical debate that will be had.

I absolutely would blame Tommy for Saban getting a cold, but I’m built different. I’m a hater 100%.

 

[BobbyMac]

Glad you brought this up because I absolutely hate it.

Those Poodle USC teams back in the day, if there was one thing they did that I absolutely loved was when they ran the ball EVERY offensive lineman had a hat on someone. All five guys engaged a defender rather than blocking air in a space. I loved it about them as much as they made me puke.

Agree. When I watch the Academies I'm amazed at how well those 270lb OL's move, the precision. But when you get into the 320 guys, find a guy in front of you and maul him. You wanna get cute? Double team the NG and then release and smack the Mike in the chops as the RB scampers by.

There was a reason why during peak HH, Bars was pulled from the right side towards Q and McG and not the other way around.

 

[NDdomer2]

You act like he is starting Bruce Heggie. Kadyn Proctor was a 5-star all everything recruit who was expected to come in an immediately compete for a starting job. Bama has 5-stars across the board and then 4/5 star depth behind them at every position... at a certain point maybe it's not a coincidence that Rees consistently has rosters with foundational flaws.

Again we're blaming Rees for the roster that exists upon his arrival.

Somewhere on IE were giving Freeman a pass for the receiver room he inherited though!

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

If Rees isn't terminated for incompetence, then it is a sign that Alabama/Saban's reign is over. The core of the culture that Saban created was accountability. Keeping Rees after the horrific start of the year, the questionable personnel decisions (Buchner), and an inability to make in game adjustments will make it difficult to demand accountability with others. Regarding the midseason turnaround, just like his playing days Rees was credited for the accomplishment of others/team. It wasn't adjustments/play calling but the unique athleticism of Milroe and overall athleticism that helped Alabama to the playoffs.

Given how the world works, even with the failures and clear inadequacies, Rees will have his defenders who will continue to parrot his wunderkind football IQ that no one has yet seen on the field. Given the connections he has established and of course his father's connections, Rees will be given more opportunities to showcase his fabled IQ ...undeservedly so.

 

[BeatSC]

Lousy called game. Anyone who thinks 20 points and less than 300 total yards is good is wrong. Pocket should have been moved more often roll out short passes and quick hits and screens were there they just weren’t called very often. Most good yards were Milroe taking off and running. Michigan D is dominant but Tommy did very little to neutralize except during the 3rd quarter. Maybe it’s time to return to BK. Just glad he is gone from ND and that porker somehow backed into a HC job so not even a look alike (besides Angeli) remains.

 

[NDohio]

I'm just glad that we can have a fully coherent discussion about Tommy Rees here on IE...

 

[Giddyup]

Would have been very interesting to see how Rees would have done with an already developed qb who can read and pass like Hartman this year.

 

[NDdomer2]

I'm just glad that we can have a fully coherent discussion about Tommy Rees here on IE...

Yeah my point earlier, never gonna happen.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Lousy called game. Anyone who thinks 20 points and less than 300 total yards is good is wrong. Pocket should have been moved more often roll out short passes and quick hits and screens were there they just weren’t called very often. Most good yards were Milroe taking off and running. Michigan D is dominant but Tommy did very little to neutralize except during the 3rd quarter. Maybe it’s time to return to BK. Just glad he is gone from ND and that porker somehow backed into a HC job so not even a look alike (besides Angeli) remains.

Agree - He didn't scheme any big plays really for bama. The first TD run was blocked well but it really was the safety pulling a DJ Brown attempting to tackle that created the big play.

Michigan had so many well schemed out plays to gain chunk yards or critical first downs, heck a few of them didn't hit because of execution. I don't recall many good schemes at all for bama.

Tommy thrived off Milroe's ability to take a nothing plan and scramble or run around until someone got open. Michigan didn't let that happen.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Add to it that it was Michigan who beat him. Zero objectivity for some. Just emotion smothering logic, fairness and balance.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Add to it that it was Michigan who beat him. Zero objectivity for some. Just emotion smothering logic, fairness and balance.

The facts are Bama had 20 points and 288 yards of offense over 66 plays. That's a little over 4 yards per play. This is with over 4 weeks to prepare.

You don't need to spin anything or try to be "objective". The stats tell the entire story.

Objectively, it looked like the offensive game plan Penn State used to play vs Michigan this year. That game plan got the OC of PSU fired.

 

[Giddyup]

That center single-handedly killed a couple drives.

 

[sfk324]

The facts are Bama had 20 points and 288 yards of offense over 66 plays. That's a little over 4 yards per play. This is with over 4 weeks to prepare.

You don't need to spin anything or try to be "objective". The stats tell the entire story.

And Saban oversaw that 4 weeks of preparation. That is also an objective fact. The story for the past 4 weeks was that given that time, Saban would find a way to steamroll UM. That didn't happen. So now it's "Tommy blew it! He had 4 weeks and that's what he came up with?" The post hoc logic shift is hilarious.

 

[PutuporShutup]

And Saban oversaw that 4 weeks of preparation. That is also an objective fact. The story for the past 4 weeks was that given that time, Saban would find a way to steamroll UM. That didn't happen. So now it's "Tommy blew it! He had 4 weeks and that's what he came up with?" The post hoc logic shift is hilarious.

So what's changed ........ Saban all of a sudden doesn't know how to coach (he's a defensive guy and has always had VERY good OCs on the years you mention)............ OR, he has Tommy Rees as his OC this one year his team looked awful offensively in the bowls?

It's like putting all the blame of the offensive development on Freeman. No one blamed freeman for the offense play calling and development issues, they blamed freeman for hiring the OC. Same thing here, the offense is on Rees and the issue is Saban had to go to his 6th choice and had to hire Rees. Maybe it works out in the end with Rees at Alabama, but saban not landing a better OC is why Bama isn't in the championship, and ND hiring Parker is the biggest reason ND didn't make it to the CFP.

Watch ND vs Clemson in the 2020 ACC championship, or ND vs Bama in the 2020 CFP, the offense looked very similar to what Bama was doing last night. Those were the 2 biggest games Rees was OC in and it was BAD.

 

[BeatSC]

So what's changed ........ Saban all of a sudden doesn't know how to coach (he's a defensive guy and has always had VERY good OCs on the years you mention)............ OR, he has Tommy Rees as his OC this one year his team looked awful offensively in the bowls?

It's like putting all the blame of the offensive development on Freeman. No one blamed freeman for the offense play calling and development issues, they blamed freeman for hiring the OC. Same thing here, the offense is on Rees and the issue is Saban had to go to his 6th choice and had to hire Rees. Maybe it works out in the end with Rees at Alabama, but saban not landing a better OC is why Bama isn't in the championship, and ND hiring Parker is the biggest reason ND didn't make it to the CFP.

Watch ND vs Clemson in the 2020 ACC championship, or ND vs Bama in the 2020 CFP, the offense looked very similar to what Bama was doing last night. Those were the 2 biggest games Rees was OC in and it was BAD.

You Fn nailed it my friend! ND has remedied their one year boner nightmare but I doubt Saban will fix his. Maybe some low level college will swoop in and hire Rees as their HC but I doubt it. With that said someone was stupid enough to hire Parker! I think we are paying Weis money to Troy for that favor.

 

[sfk324]

So what's changed ........ Saban all of a sudden doesn't know how to coach (he's a defensive guy and has always had VERY good OCs on the years you mention)............ OR, he has Tommy Rees as his OC this one year his team looked awful offensively in the bowls?

It's like putting all the blame of the offensive development on Freeman. No one blamed freeman for the offense, they blamed freeman for hiring the OC. Same thing here, the offense is on Rees and the issue is Saban had to go to his 6th choice and had to hire Rees.

Or, maybe Alabama just wasn't that good this year and they did what they could with what they had? That's what the entire season of results said, but sure, the inability to throw or snap consistently is all because of Tommy and Saban was completely powerless to fix any of it.

And you can't possibly think nobody blamed Freeman for the offense last year and this year. Whether it was going into the year with Buchner/Pyne or not imposing his offensive vision on either Tommy or Parker, the criticism was there and frequent. Either you had a TBI causing memory loss or you're just being disingenuous.

 

[sfk324]

So what's changed ........ Saban all of a sudden doesn't know how to coach (he's a defensive guy and has always had VERY good OCs on the years you mention)............ OR, he has Tommy Rees as his OC this one year his team looked awful offensively in the bowls?

It's like putting all the blame of the offensive development on Freeman. No one blamed freeman for the offense play calling and development issues, they blamed freeman for hiring the OC. Same thing here, the offense is on Rees and the issue is Saban had to go to his 6th choice and had to hire Rees. Maybe it works out in the end with Rees at Alabama, but saban not landing a better OC is why Bama isn't in the championship, and ND hiring Parker is the biggest reason ND didn't make it to the CFP.

Watch ND vs Clemson in the 2020 ACC championship, or ND vs Bama in the 2020 CFP, the offense looked very similar to what Bama was doing last night. Those were the 2 biggest games Rees was OC in and it was BAD.

You should probably tell this guy that development and play-calling the offense isn't on Freeman.

 

[mrmcgrail]

Milroe can't read a defense to save his life and lives off the long ball and scrambling. He had guys open in the flat multiple times and didn't take it waiting for something down field. He missed so many protections it's insane. He motioned out a back when they had less numbers then they were bringing. Guy is a great athlete not a qb

 

[PutuporShutup]

Or, maybe Alabama just wasn't that good this year and they did what they could with what they had? That's what the entire season of results said, but sure, the inability to throw or snap consistently is all because of Tommy and Saban was completely powerless to fix any of it.

And you can't possibly think nobody blamed Freeman for the offense last year and this year. Whether it was going into the year with Buchner/Pyne or not imposing his offensive vision on either Tommy or Parker, the criticism was there and frequent. Either you had a TBI causing memory loss or you're just being disingenuous.

By your rational OC doesn't even matter. You are what you are, and every coach develops, coaches, and calls the game the same.

You do realize the job of the offensive coordinator is to develop and coach the entire offense. Just like ND 2022, bama this year had major major execution issues, that looks like poor coaching to me. The OC is in charge of that.

yes freeman got blame for 2022 not going portal for QB, but we're talking this year. There's a reason geraldine parka hat had his own thread all season. Freeman gets almost all the blame for promoting him (Jack some too), just like he gets praise for hiring denbrock.

Parker had no clue how to coach, develop, scheme, and call plays, and it showed. Rees is slightly better, but still struggles mightily, I think mostly with coaching and then a full game of play calling.

 

[PutuporShutup]

You should probably tell this guy that development and play-calling the offense isn't on Freeman.

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You actually read what I wrote? This was about who is going to coach and run the offense. I'm stating freeman like any coach needs to understand and put in place the proper people to coach, develop, and call the offense. Freeman failed at putting it in place for 2023, he's done a much much much better job going into 2024.

No where do I state freeman needs to coach and develop the offense. Thank you for showing my consistency

He landed WR coach, leonard, 2 portal wrs, and got Denbrock. He hit a home run! Now we have someone that knows how to develop, coach, and call an offense.

 

[sfk324]

By your rational OC doesn't even matter. You are what you are, and every coach develops, coaches, and calls the game the same.

You do realize the job of the offensive coordinator is to develop and coach the entire offense. Just like ND 2022, bama this year had major major execution issues, that looks like poor coaching to me. The OC is in charge of that.

yes freeman got blame for 2022 not going portal for QB, but we're talking this year. There's a reason geraldine parka hat had his own thread all season. Freeman gets almost all the blame for promoting him (Jack some too), just like he gets praise for hiring denbrock.

Parker had no clue how to coach, develop, scheme, and call plays, and it showed. Rees is slightly better, but still struggles mightily, I think mostly with coaching and then a full game of play calling.

Two things: 1. You're making quite a leap to infer things I never implied, but based on your posting history (see #2) that's not surprising; 2. You've had quite the change of heart since your December 2nd posted I took the liberty of screenshotting and highlighting for ease of reference.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Two things: 1. You're making quite a leap to infer things I never implied, but based on your posting history (see #2) that's not surprising; 2. You've had quite the change of heart since your December 2nd posted I took the liberty of screenshotting and highlighting for ease of reference.

Please explain my change of heart? I've stated since the spring it wasn't parker, and I stated December 2nd it wasn't parker. Freeman needed to figure out who it would be, and he did just that.

Me stating everything going on I was ok with is referencing stuckey being fired, and 4 wrs hitting the portal. I thought stuckey wasn't doing good coaching (not a popular opinion through the season), and the WRs that left for the portal weren't good enough. I was not ok with where the OC position was and clearly state freeman needs to figure that out, amongst a few other things. Only reason i stated parker, is at the time it was reported parker would be back in some capacity, so we had to assume he's part of the offensive staff.

 

[sfk324]

You actually read what I wrote? This was about who is going to coach and run the offense. I'm stating freeman like any coach needs to understand and put in place the proper people to coach, develop, and call the offense. Freeman failed at putting it in place for 2023, he's done a much much much better job going into 2024.


No where do I state freeman needs to coach and develop the offense. Thank you for showing my consistency

He landed WR coach, leonard, 2 portal wrs, and got Denbrock. He hit a home run! Now we have someone that knows how to develop, coach, and call an offense.

Keep pretzeling, sport. You said "who and how" not "who." The how, of necessity, includes the Head Coach in the coaching, development, and calling of the offense. That is especially true when your post concludes with the statement that it is not the responsibility of the OC alone.

 

[BilboBaggins]

116 passing yards and less than 300 total yards of offense passes as a fine game? Are you high? That offensive gameplan was tier 1 dogshit all game outside of the 3rd qtr.

It's almost like they played the #1 defense in the country or something.

I didn't see anything in that game that suggested the gameplan, playcalling, or adjustments were the reasons Alabama lost. I thought it was fine. As in, acceptable.

The execution from the center was all-time awful, and Michigan is widely considered the #1 defense in the country.