Temple Post Game

[Irish Insanity]

The offensive line is a big part of the red zone problems IMO.

We can pass protect like I haven't seen us in some time. But some of our run blocking isn't very good.

 

[irishff1014]

We can pass protect like I haven't seen us in some time. But some of our run blocking isn't very good.

Our run blocking sucks.

 

[rocket66]

Anyone know what happened between Luke and Rhule after KVR's pick? Saw a brief highlight, but wondered if there was a story.

Saw that and wondered the same thing..


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[kmoose]

RZ plays/playcalling continues to be a problem. They stack the box, BK's answer is 5-wide empty backfield. Alabama, Stanford, MState, OSU would probably all go jumbo package with 7 lineman. If OL is our strength, why not use it? Or how about line up with what looks like a jumbo package with 3 TEs and your tallest receiver, then audible them out wide. Seems like you should be able to find a mismatch. I mean, there has to be an answer here.

CJ Prosise had 25 yards on 14 carries last night, and you think that running MORE is the answer in the RZ?

Something else that I think BK does poorly is move his weapons around.

Agree. Moving CJ Prosise to RB has been a TOTAL BUST.

Another thing I dont understand is why every WR route seems to be 10 yards straight downfield then there's movement. It doesn't seem like the route trees include quick slants or crossing routes inside the LBs. Other teams have used them often and we see one of our LB's chasing the TE or RB all the way across the field and cant keep up. Quick slants also work in the RZ.

Maybe the WRs are not good with those routes? Look, we all know how good Will Fuller is, and we should all know how good he is not. The second INT in the RZ was as much on Fuller as it was on Kizer or anyone else. Fuller does NOT catch the ball with his hands. Needing to let the ball get into his body so he can catch it is what gave the DB the chance to get HIS hand in there and punch it out. That punch caused the carom which went right to a Temple LB. If Fuller extends his arms and catches that pass with his hands, it is 6 points for ND.

 

[vuirish]

Saw that and wondered the same thing..


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Looks like there is a thread on Rockne's Roundtable. Anyone have access?

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

I really think the finesse/metro style running game is the biggest problem with the run blocking.
When a team is selling out to stop #20, having him run 10 yards parallel to the line of scrimmage before cutting upfield is playing into their hands.
They needed to get under center like Stanford, or in the pistol to truly run with power playing into our line's strengths.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

A few quick thoughts...

Kizer is special. Struggled at times and made one very bad decision but the moment is never too big for him and he is a great leader.

Martin looked to have had some rough snaps. CJ was a total nonfactor.

KVR had a bad game. Like much of our defense is boom or bust. Great late INT but fails to get his head turned around far too often. Dont need boom or bust from a CB need consistency.

Sheldon Day is a momster and is makin the most of his senior year.

Nice to see Alize getting involved a bit.

Probably no ome will agree with me but I think BK embarassed himself and the university. Totally out of line you dont do that crap on the sideline.

Baratti missed tackle was really ugly.

Its tough to win in college football especially on the road. A lot to clean up but solid W.

 

[Section20Row27]

My post game thoughts - surprisingly no hangover

* Defensive front seven played extremely well. They stopped Temple's running game, which is a key to their offense. Rochelle and Day - enough said.

* We struggled in the red zone, but Temple all year long has been good at defending in the red zone. We need to work on establishing an effective running scheme for the RZ.

* DK played very good. He is getting more comfortable with the zone read. That long touchdown run was awesome - I didn't think he was that fast!!

* Our turnovers kept them in the game. They have a very good (top ten defense), and we were able to march down the field. Give a lot of credit to Temple for having a good defensive game plan and executing it.

* The final score might not be impressive, but our teams' play and the win is. The better Team won last night.

* The ref's were garbage...

 

[ohara831]

Love my Irish. But I must admit I enjoyed watching Matakevich for Temple. Plays the game like a caged animal, and is a tackling machine. He was always in the picture around the ball. I hope he does well at the next level.

 

[yankeeND]

Love my Irish. But I must admit I enjoyed watching Matakevich for Temple. Plays the game like a caged animal, and is a tackling machine. He was always in the picture around the ball. I hope he does well at the next level.

I did too man. That dude is a beast, and I hope the Pat's take him with their first pick in the 2nd round. Kid is a baller!

 

[Irish Insanity]

Agree. Moving CJ Prosise to RB has been a TOTAL BUST.

Dude, you completely took his comment out of context. You actually removed half of it to shape it to your liking. That's kinda pathetic.

Here is what he actually said:

Something else that I think BK does poorly is move his weapons around. For example, Fuller always plays on the outside. If he's being double covered, why not line him up in the slot or send him in motion inside, to get a mismatch. USC does this very well. Getting Fuller covered by a safety alone or LB could result in big plays.

EDIT: By no means was I agreeing with his point.

 

[kmoose]

Dude, you completely took his comment out of context. You actually removed half of it to shape it to your liking. That's kinda pathetic.

Here is what he actually said:

Then allow me to retort this way:

That's the dumbest fvcking thing I have heard in a LONG time on this site, and that is QUITE an accomplishment.

You could put Will Fuller at TB, and teams are going to assign a CB to cover him.
If you put Will Fuller in the slot, you are going to have to put a less talented WR outside. One who maybe doesn't require a double team, leaving a defender available to help on Fuller.
Not to mention; Will Fuller is on pace to catch ~55 catches for ~1100 yards and ~13 TDs. Do you know how good those numbers are? WHY WOULD the coaches be looking to move Fuller around? He's been a beast right where he is at.

 

[shalom]

Temple is a good team. Despite losing the game, and being the most hyped Temple team in history I thought they looked better than advertised.

Kizer is not a QB that is careless with the ball, and both those picks in the red zone Temple basically created. The first one by confusing Kizer by showing a bunch of coverages pre-snap, the second with a great hands on the ball play, outplaying Fuller to get back to the ball

Their secondary had to hold on a few key plays, but those probably saved at least 1 TD. Again it shows what a savvy and toughnosed team they are, preferring to keep everything in front of them rather than give up a big play. Plus even some of the best athletes in the country USC etc couldn't stay with Irish receivers, frankly a couple of those from a Temple University Football Team are to be expected.

You could go on all day about smart heads-up plays, Temple's experienced team made... the one TD past Schmidt was fucking crazy. I still have no idea how the kid screened Joe to make that TD. Plus after that he has the presence of mind to stretch for the 6 points

The problem that Temple had is that they ran into a ND that is just as good a 4th quarter team as they are. ND sux at "killer instinct" during the first 3 quarters but they play till the end... Kizer and co save their best for last on a bunch of these game.

For Temple, this loss doesn't really mean anything. They just need to keep their heads up. For ND, it was an interesting game. They anticipated Temple keying in on Prosise so they ran Kizer a lot for good effect in the beginning. Then Temple shut that down. ND like usual let an inferior team back into the game but the key thing in this game for ND is all about Kizer. Kizer to this point has had a quick developmental curve and doesn't repeat mistakes. If Kizer learns from his mistakes in the Red Zone, and has gained valuable experience in the read option and refined the scrambling facet of this game then it will have been probably the most important game to date in terms of ND's Playoff aspirations.


2 fun things to see: 1) Jaylon's class going up and talking to Matakevich LB to LB after the game 2) BK's slow meltdown all game, culminating in bullrushing David Grimes lolol

 

[Bugzly21]

Reading quite a few of these posts it blows my mind how many of you are under playing Temple's D. They played lights out. I would put their effort up there with some of the MSU, Stanford D's of the past. Those D's were filled with 2 and 3 star players until very recent years. Just some tough a$$ guys with chips on their shoulders. Sound discipline and a determination to just have heart/effort trump talent

 

[Tejas]

What was deal with Temple coach and one of ND's players talking after a play that an official had to get between them?

 

[texbender]

1. Happy to leave with a WIN
2. Disappointed in RZ play
3. Punting/Kick off too inconsistent
4. Kizer overcame mistakes and made plays
5. DBs scare me
6. DL had best game
7. Temple pretty good on Defense, but since they were keying to stop CJP surprised we couldn't find more receivers. Prior to game I thought our receivers were going to light it up
8. Seemed like a bunch of strange calls

 

[JohnnyJasper]

Brace yourselves fellas, the biggest highlight from this game is gonna be the Bk barking at grimes; gonna be replayed a lot this week.

This is true

 

[IrishinSyria]

The more I watch Temple's last TD run, the more sure I am that Baratti more or less did his job and it was our Mike's job to clean it up once he cut up field. With our corner getting driven into the back of the end zone, Baratti's first responsibility had to be keeping the back from getting outside.

 

[rtrn2glory]

It looked like a typical cutback tackle situation. He failed to stay behind the ball carrier and when he cut it up he got schooled. He just flat out looked too hesitant to attack the ball carrier and that is a recipe for disaster in any tackling situation

 

[Irish Man3]

The more I watch Temple's last TD run, the more sure I am that Baratti more or less did his job and it was our Mike's job to clean it up once he cut up field. With our corner getting driven into the back of the end zone, Baratti's first responsibility had to be keeping the back from getting outside.

If by doing his job you mean looking completely foolish in the open field, I agree.

Baratti obviously wants to keep outside leverage so that if he does miss the tackle, the rb is forced to cut back to the middle. However, his job is to make the tackle or at least make contact to slow the back to some degree. Neither of those things happened.

 

[JohnnyJasper]

I cant agree with some comments made about how our run blocking sucks. How many yards does Prosise have on the season? 947 w. 6.6 YPC and is avg. 118 YPG. I credit the WR's blocking just as much as the OL. So they got beat in the trenches yesterday. We came out with the W.
Get better for Pitt and just take it one game at a time. I don't want to say we control our own destiny, but in a sense we do. From here on in its basically a playoff.
I also agree 100% - Schmidt can not continue to be getting all the reps at MLB. Morgan showed how much of a freak he was last year. I'm sure he has a much better understanding of the defense at this point. Love Joe but Morgan/Martini have shown a lot more promise in the limited amount of time they've been out there.

 

[irishff1014]

One thing you can say this year is the blocking from the Wr's has been very good.

 

[Grahambo]

One thing you can say this year is the blocking from the Wr's has been very good.

Absolutely nothing to do with anything except that I used to love blocking as a WR. I took great pride in it.

 

[IrishinSyria]

If by doing his job you mean looking completely foolish in the open field, I agree.

Baratti obviously wants to keep outside leverage so that if he does miss the tackle, the rb is forced to cut back to the middle. However, his job is to make the tackle or at least make contact to slow the back to some degree. Neither of those things happened.

I guess what I'm saying is that our Mike LB read the play perfectly and was just too slow to do anything about it.

 

[kmoose]

If by doing his job you mean looking completely foolish in the open field, I agree.

Baratti obviously wants to keep outside leverage so that if he does miss the tackle, the rb is forced to cut back to the middle. However, his job is to make the tackle or at least make contact to slow the back to some degree. Neither of those things happened.

Nice to have you on board, Coach VanGorder. Or is it Coach Lyght? I mean, you must be one of those two guys, right? You know everyone's job, right?

To be fair, his job probably was to come up and fill the cutback lane, while whoever had outside contain(LB or CB?) forced him back inside. But obviously whoever had outside contain failed pretty loudly. So what is the safety's responsibility when he sees that? Just fill the cutback lane and let the back walk around the corner into the end zone?

 

[Bluto]

Nice to have you on board, Coach VanGorder. Or is it Coach Lyght? I mean, you must be one of those two guys, right? You know everyone's job, right?

To be fair, his job probably was to come up and fill the cutback lane, while whoever had outside contain(LB or CB?) forced him back inside. But obviously whoever had outside contain failed pretty loudly. So what is the safety's responsibility when he sees that? Just fill the cutback lane and let the back walk around the corner into the end zone?

That's a good point. James O got sucked inside and was in bad position on that play. One thing that drove me crazy was that we were crushing the right side of the line playing straight up. Then on that big QB keeper to the right on the read option it looked like Cage and Rochelle were on a stunt and ran into each other effectively blocking each other.

 

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[phgreek]

Nice to have you on board, Coach VanGorder. Or is it Coach Lyght? I mean, you must be one of those two guys, right? You know everyone's job, right?

To be fair, his job probably was to come up and fill the cutback lane, while whoever had outside contain(LB or CB?) forced him back inside. But obviously whoever had outside contain failed pretty loudly. So what is the safety's responsibility when he sees that? Just fill the cutback lane and let the back walk around the corner into the end zone?

I don't know...I've always taught to secure and close. Do your job, but get to the damned ball. That move the back put on was to elude Baratti. It wasn't like he cut back out of the area where I wouldn't expect Barrati to close, load up, and shoot his guns. Nicki stood up...he mirrored, but never attacked, which allowed the back to get him. ...you always do your job, expect everyone else to, but you always look to close the deal. He was obviously hesitant. Thats not saying he was scared. He was caught in the middle some, indecisive. I believe a Barrati that had 7 games in, makes that play.

Now, should we expect him to lose that battle...yea. Too much time away from game time. He'll be ok. But IMHO he didn't play that particular play well....regardless of his responsibility.

 

[GoldenDomer]

That was the biggest game in the history of their program. And we won. On to the next one.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I think this Temple team is the best team Notre Dame has played all year. Yes I think they played better than Clemson did against the Irish.


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