Tee Shepard (sorry, I have to post this)

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So what i'm gathering from the posts here is some guy (i hope not a grown man) named turtle actually called Tee up to talk to him about the situation? Which is in turn both extremely weird and creepy. No matter the outcome of a prospects recruitment we as a fan base should keep minimum contact with said recruit. And when i mean minimum i mean as for as going out of your way to contact or see them. If they come to a board and talk to the fan base thats a little different. I'd do my best to distance myself from a fan such as "Turtle".

I get what you're saying. I've never ever considered reaching out to a recruit for any reason, but I'd love to be able to work this out for the kid. I know my family never would have let this happen. Can you even imagine being hung out to dry like that? I hate to say it, but imo ND screwed up in big way here and now it doesn't sound like he has anybody around him who is willing or capable of get this sorted out for him in a timely fashion. Its gotta suck immensely.
 

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From recent tweets sounds like he wants nothing to do with ND


Tee Shepard ‏@ItsTeeShepard
@therealkev If you not with ND then yes sure...

That guy asked if he could talk to Tee about the situation and that"s how Tee responded.

Tee Shepard ‏@ItsTeeShepard
When ppls want the truths and they switch my words around to make ND not "DIRTY"? Where the real MEDIA at? "that not ND"

Tee Shepard ‏@ItsTeeShepard
Its wasnt NCAA choice either! Its was STRAIGHT ND...All ND!
 
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It sounds to me like BK stuck his neck out to get Tee in school, seeing as Tee wasn't fully cleared medically or academically. When he realized that it was a longshot, and that someone (Tee? His parents? His highschool?) messed up, they cut ties with Tee before things could get ugly with the NCAA, admissions, and the media (could you imagine the media if it was discovered that ND allowed a recruit to take classes for a semester that wasn't even cleared for college at all? ND OF ALL PLACES?!?!).

Sucks very badly for Tee either way, since it seems he truly wanted to be at ND. And the situation sucks even more that he is now publicly saying "it was all ND." Not because he's outing ND, but because it means he feels he was let down by a great school.
 

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It sounds to me like BK stuck his neck out to get Tee in school, seeing as Tee wasn't fully cleared medically or academically. When he realized that it was a longshot, and that someone (Tee? His parents? His highschool?) messed up, they cut ties with Tee before things could get ugly with the NCAA, admissions, and the media (could you imagine the media if it was discovered that ND allowed a recruit to take classes for a semester that wasn't even cleared for college at all? ND OF ALL PLACES?!?!).

Sucks very badly for Tee either way, since it seems he truly wanted to be at ND. And the situation sucks even more that he is now publicly saying "it was all ND." Not because he's outing ND, but because it means he feels he was let down by a great school.

The NCAA Clearinghouse has NOTHING to do with college admissions unless the student is getting an Athletic Scholarship. Athletic scholarships can't be awarded until the Clearinghouse stipulates that the recruit has met THE NCAA REQUIREMENTS.

ND could admit you to take classes but they couldn't give you an Athletic Scholarship until The Clearinghouse reviewed your required core courses, your GPA and Test Score, ACT or SAT, according to the Sliding Scale.

In one of the Tee threads that was closed I mentioned a number of ND football players that were allowed to attend class but not play while a Clearinghouse Issue was cleared up between the student's HS and the Clearinghouse.

Clearinghouse issues with HS transfers are common as class descriptions greatly vary from school to school. The second HS may require a course or courses be retaken, say for example Algebra I, the NCAA won't issue credit for the same course retaken at another school. So if a recruit was required to take 4 math courses and had taked Algebra I at two schools and Algebra II, and Geometry, The repeated course would count only once and he would be short one required course. He'd could take the HS course in the HS Spring semester or Summer School to qualify and still be elgible for Fall football.

ND Admissions reviews transcripts interviews prospectives and makes the decision on who is acceptable academically not Coach Kelly nor his predecessors. Carson Palmer and a number of blue chip recruits were told by ND to raise a course, GPA, or Test Score and didn't. They blamed ND for their shortcoming as some football factory would still take them.

In '95 Holtz tried to slip two recruits past ND Admissions. Transcripts and Test Score Certification were NOT submitted to ND admissions as required on a timely basis for review and approval before NSD. Both recruits were denied by ND Admissions and went to college elsewhere.

If a recruit was cleared academically yet failed to be cleared medically he would have been given an non-athletic scholarship (career ending injury) in compliance with NCAA regulations which ND does as policy and has for decades.


Tee was declared ineligible to play his senior year of HS school football so he had that entire semester free to focus solely on academics and the ND/NCAA Admission Requirements. Did he use the time to take a ACT review course to boost his score? Did he raise his GPA or did he get senioritis and end up with a lower GPA recquiring a higher Test Score on the NCAA's Sliding GPA/Test Score Scale?

He finished HS in December and started at ND in early January. It's possible that his official Final transcript arrived at ND AND The Clearinghouse after he started classes at ND. Could he have stated verbally when HS classes ended that everything was O.K. yet when the written transcript arrived it wasn't?

He also could have informed people he did well on his test yet when the results arrived they were less then he expected (or perhaps represented). UND may have stuck their collective neck out to allow him to arrive on campus without the documentation and gave him a couple of days or a week "grace" for the documentation to arrive as they get mailed from the school over the holidays.



Tee left ND in January and it's now 7 months later. IF it was ND's fault or his HS counselor's fault in January, why isn't he in some other college now, be it FBS, FCS, or JUCO?

So stop with the baseless speculation.
 

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FWIW BGIF, when I said his HS counselors/advisors failed him I meant that he should never have tried to transfer schools or EE. It was really a poor decision for someone in his shoes and cost him his senior season and it looks like much more. I almost guarantee if he just stays at his first school and does the regular admissions schedule he's playing somewhere this season. Everything I had heard up to this point was that he has messed up transcripts... possibly falsified... and there was absolutely no way to get him through clearing house because he didn't have the credits... among other possible issues.

I dont understand his most recent tweets. If it's not academic or an NCAA issue than he'd be enrolled somewhere else whether it be USC or Fresno State or College of the Sequoias or some other JUCO. Seems to contradict what he told the caller.
 

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FWIW BGIF, when I said his HS counselors/advisors failed him I meant that he should never have tried to transfer schools or EE. It was really a poor decision for someone in his shoes and cost him his senior season and it looks like much more. I almost guarantee if he just stays at his first school and does the regular admissions schedule he's playing somewhere this season. Everything I had heard up to this point was that he has messed up transcripts... possibly falsified... and there was absolutely no way to get him through clearing house because he didn't have the credits... among other possible issues.

I dont understand his most recent tweets. If it's not academic or an NCAA issue than he'd be enrolled somewhere else whether it be USC or Fresno State or College of the Sequoias or some other JUCO. Seems to contradict what he told the caller.


He could have gotten bad advice from a counselor but I doubt that first HS counselor advised him to transfer out of his school.

I'm not going to touch the "messed up" or worse transcripts other than if he had problems at school #1 already and was lacking credits the entire discussion is moot, NON-QUALIFIER for ND or anybody.

I agree completely on the contradicting tweets. But there seems to be the one constant in this saga. "I'm not responsible." Regardless of who or what happened through January, it's been in his hands since.


If things had fallen apart at ND with you, I doubt think you would have been tweeting. That's not going to fix anything. You would be finding a way to correct the issue and if you couldn't get into a Div 1 program, you'd be in Div 1aa, or Juco or back in high school.

There are a bunch of programs this will take you if can make your "X" and you have a HS diploma. Which raises a fundamental question.

I don't know the reputation of the College of The Sequoias but their Fall Semester started August 13th. I've not seen any media reports and just checked google.



Another point when Randy Moss couldn't get into ND, Coach Holtz called Bobby Bowden. When Moss got in pot trouble at FSU, Coach Bowden called Marshall. But we're to believe that everybody just dropped this highly talented kid cold because of a problem beyond his control?
 

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Sucks if it's true...but he could be enrolled elsewhere, going to class and hoping to enroll next semester, Right?
 
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He could have gotten bad advice from a counselor but I doubt that first HS counselor advised him to transfer out of his school.

I'm not going to touch the "messed up" or worse transcripts other than if he had problems at school #1 already and was lacking credits the entire discussion is moot, NON-QUALIFIER for ND or anybody.

I agree completely on the contradicting tweets. But there seems to be the one constant in this saga. "I'm not responsible." Regardless of who or what happened through January, it's been in his hands since.


If things had fallen apart at ND with you, I doubt think you would have been tweeting. That's not going to fix anything. You would be finding a way to correct the issue and if you couldn't get into a Div 1 program, you'd be in Div 1aa, or Juco or back in high school.

There are a bunch of programs this will take you if can make your "X" and you have a HS diploma. Which raises a fundamental question.

I don't know the reputation of the College of The Sequoias but their Fall Semester started August 13th. I've not seen any media reports and just checked google.



Another point when Randy Moss couldn't get into ND, Coach Holtz called Bobby Bowden. When Moss got in pot trouble at FSU, Coach Bowden called Marshall. But we're to believe that everybody just dropped this highly talented kid cold because of a problem beyond his control?

That's kinda been my issue with Tee. If you really want back in, you know what you have to do at this point (7 months ago), don't you think you would have done anything about it. Maybe BK saying the ship has sailed was because Tee is blaming ND and not taking responsibility for his own work, expecting the coaches to do it for him.
 
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Sucks if it's true...but he could be enrolled elsewhere, going to class and hoping to enroll next semester, Right?

Right but he's not (I assume) and I think that's where the issue with BK and ND are at with him.
 

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Went to look at some of his tweets regarding ND and it seems he's deleted all his tweets since the 17th of August.
 
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Great and thoughtfull way to handle this situation guys. As I said in another thread, watch and see how he does elsewhere this fall, and then next year. That will tell everything.

This same is true for many others. Maybe if the system or individuals of responsibility did fail anyone, it would be in teaching someone that the world owed them something.
 

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So, in short, it's the NCAA Clearinghouse that is the blockade right now. Kinda what a lot of people were saying earlier and yet, still stinks to hear it.

Dang, so help me if iI have this wrong.
Notre Dame University accepted Tee Shepard for admittance, as he was attending classes, but the NCAA, with their not so ridged standards said no?

Gotta say, this kinda pops your bubble.
 
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Dang, so help me if iI have this wrong.
Motte Dame University accepted Tee Shepard for admittance, as he was attending classes, but the NCAA, with their not so ridged standards said no?

Gotta say, this kinda pops your bubble.

Yeah, didn't you hear that he was taking Ballroom Dancing????
 

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Dang, so help me if iI have this wrong.
Motte Dame University accepted Tee Shepard for admittance, as he was attending classes, but the NCAA, with their not so ridged standards said no?

Gotta say, this kinda pops your bubble.

Hahahaha are you kidding? Maybe you just didn't read enough of the posts, so I'll give you a concise recap based on what has come out:

1. Tee Shepard EE'd at ND with transcripts that said X. Every school out there, including yours, was prepared to accept him with said transcripts.

2. He gets red flagged by the NCAA because... either intentionally or unintentionally... there were some sort of issues with his transcripts once they were dug into. BGIF already explained in incredible detail how this can happen unintentionally when switching schools and how the clearinghouse works. There were also substantial rumors that the transcripts were basically falsified to give him more credits... so what was presented to ND was a fabrication and inaccurate. But nothing besides the fact that the transcripts had issues when looked at more closely can be "confirmed" with any kind of certitude.

3. Tee leaves once ND gets wind that there are issues with his transcripts. He then looks headed to Fresno State and is all set to go there.... until Fresno learns of the credits/transcripts issues.... whatever those may be. Then something similar happens at a JUCO.

So I'm not sure how that "bursts our bubble" but I sure as hell do know that while we require our 5th year players to be enrolled in a full graduate program, players to graduate in 4 years, and all players to be taking a full course load at all times.... your school doesn't graduate kids, and doesn't give a crap about having your students take actual courses. Which is really disappointing, because USC is a very good school that has opted to be SEC-West and accordingly deserves zero respect. Other top tier academic institutions (Duke, Stanford, Northwestern, ND, Virginia, etc.) actually show an academic commitment to all students.
 

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Hahahaha are you kidding? Maybe you just didn't read enough of the posts, so I'll give you a concise recap based on what has come out:

1. Tee Shepard EE'd at ND with transcripts that said X. Every school out there, including yours, was prepared to accept him with said transcripts.

2. He gets red flagged by the NCAA because... either intentionally or unintentionally... there were some sort of issues with his transcripts once they were dug into. BGIF already explained in incredible detail how this can happen unintentionally when switching schools and how the clearinghouse works. There were also substantial rumors that the transcripts were basically falsified to give him more credits... so what was presented to ND was a fabrication and inaccurate. But nothing besides the fact that the transcripts had issues when looked at more closely can be "confirmed" with any kind of certitude.

3. Tee leaves once ND gets wind that there are issues with his transcripts. He then looks headed to Fresno State and is all set to go there.... until Fresno learns of the credits/transcripts issues.... whatever those may be. Then something similar happens at a JUCO.

So I'm not sure how that "bursts our bubble" but I sure as hell do know that while we require our 5th year players to be enrolled in a full graduate program, players to graduate in 4 years, and all players to be taking a full course load at all times.... your school doesn't graduate kids, and doesn't give a crap about having your students take actual courses. Which is really disappointing, because USC is a very good school that has opted to be SEC-West and accordingly deserves zero respect. Other top tier academic institutions (Duke, Stanford, Northwestern, ND, Virginia, etc.) actually show an academic commitment to all students.
Lax you just wasted your time putting this post together for some guy who is trolling.
 
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Hahahaha are you kidding? Maybe you just didn't read enough of the posts, so I'll give you a concise recap based on what has come out:

1. Tee Shepard EE'd at ND with transcripts that said X. Every school out there, including yours, was prepared to accept him with said transcripts.

2. He gets red flagged by the NCAA because... either intentionally or unintentionally... there were some sort of issues with his transcripts once they were dug into. BGIF already explained in incredible detail how this can happen unintentionally when switching schools and how the clearinghouse works. There were also substantial rumors that the transcripts were basically falsified to give him more credits... so what was presented to ND was a fabrication and inaccurate. But nothing besides the fact that the transcripts had issues when looked at more closely can be "confirmed" with any kind of certitude.

3. Tee leaves once ND gets wind that there are issues with his transcripts. He then looks headed to Fresno State and is all set to go there.... until Fresno learns of the credits/transcripts issues.... whatever those may be. Then something similar happens at a JUCO.

So I'm not sure how that "bursts our bubble" but I sure as hell do know that while we require our 5th year players to be enrolled in a full graduate program, players to graduate in 4 years, and all players to be taking a full course load at all times.... your school doesn't graduate kids, and doesn't give a crap about having your students take actual courses. Which is really disappointing, because USC is a very good school that has opted to be SEC-West and accordingly deserves zero respect. Other top tier academic institutions (Duke, Stanford, Northwestern, ND, Virginia, etc.) actually show an academic commitment to all students.

I think I just made in my pants. Great breakdown. That was beautiful.
 

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Mods,

could ya please consider an immediate Ban on ANY fan who comes here representing a team that is currently under NCAA sanctions.

When does their presence lead to anything good...

If I'm gonna be trolled, I'd like it to be some Navy guy, or some other respectable program's fan base...
 

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Lax you just wasted your time putting this post together for some guy who is trolling.

Regardless of the Trojan poster, Lax's explanation still serves a valid purpose as there are more than a few ND fans that didn't grasp the significance of the events and felt ND (Admissions) screwed BOTH Tee and Kelly.

ND's history of patience with student athlete's with Clearinghouse issues (you don't play but you still focus on classwork) his lack of attendance in class was a sign of a serious issue.

Regardless of the specifics, Tee's lack of enrollment anywhere else since his departure should have been an obvious red flag to any fan with an inkling of ND's academic standards.
 
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Regardless of the Trojan poster, Lax's explanation still serves a valid purpose as there are more than a few ND fans that didn't grasp the significance of the events and felt ND (Admissions) screwed BOTH Tee and Kelly.

ND's history of patience with student athlete's with Clearinghouse issues (you don't play but you still focus on classwork) his lack of attendance in class was a sign of a serious issue.

Regardless of the specifics, Tee's lack of enrollment anywhere else since his departure should have been an obvious red flag to any fan with an inkling of ND's academic standards.

So...what you're saying is...there's still a chance?
 

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Regardless of the Trojan poster, Lax's explanation still serves a valid purpose as there are more than a few ND fans that didn't grasp the significance of the events and felt ND (Admissions) screwed BOTH Tee and Kelly.

ND's history of patience with student athlete's with Clearinghouse issues (you don't play but you still focus on classwork) his lack of attendance in class was a sign of a serious issue.

Regardless of the specifics, Tee's lack of enrollment anywhere else since his departure should have been an obvious red flag to any fan with an inkling of ND's academic standards.
You bring up fair points.
 
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Sorry for the misspell, I am on my phone and didn't realize the phone made a wrong spelling correction with "Notre Dame University" before I hit the post button.

Where is the "of", as in University of Notre Dame. For the more intellectually challenged, (SC fans), Notre Dame is fine. You don't see us calling your fav flav, South California University.

Just in case you really were interested in NDU, here is some information:

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Its address is: 4545 College Road South Euclid, Ohio 44121-4293.

Otherwise, why don't you talk your salacious, silly self to a site that appreciates you more and you c-a-n u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d ?
 
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Where is the "of", as in University of Notre Dame. For the more intellectually challenged, (SC fans), Notre Dame is fine. You don't see us calling your fav flav, South California University.

Just in case you really were interested in NDU, here is some information:

Ulogo.gif


Its address is: 4545 College Road South Euclid, Ohio 44121-4293.

Otherwise, why don't you talk your salacious, silly self to a site that appreciates you more and you c-a-n u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d ?

It's Southern California University, not that it matters. I don't what you to get yell at by the troll.
 

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Let's get back to talking about Tee on his thread. The facts:

1. Tee early enrolled and stuck with his commitment even after a not to be named relative of his defected to Houston.
2. Tee had to leave Notre Dame for some reason that has been kept private.
3. Tee has remained silent on the reason for his leaving.
4. Tee does not bad-mouth Notre Dame, nor does he try to undercut the recruitment of other players from his high school.
5. Tee has hinted that he would like to return to Notre Dame.
6. Tee has acted with class throughout this ordeal.
7. Brian Kelly respectfully remains silent on the reason for Tee's leaving.

In my mind, Tee has acted with a great deal of class throughout the past six months. He deserves our continued respect, and I for one am rooting for his return to Notre Dame as a student. If he is able to play football, that would be great. But he appears to have a kind of "Rudy-Like" love for the university, and if there is a way to clear a path for his return I wish him all the success in the world.

Speculation regarding the reason he left Notre Dame is just that, Speculation.
 

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Let's get back to talking about Tee on his thread. The facts:

1. Tee early enrolled and stuck with his commitment even after a not to be named relative of his defected to Houston.
2. Tee had to leave Notre Dame for some reason that has been kept private.
3. Tee has remained silent on the reason for his leaving.
4. Tee does not bad-mouth Notre Dame, nor does he try to undercut the recruitment of other players from his high school.
5. Tee has hinted that he would like to return to Notre Dame.
6. Tee has acted with class throughout this ordeal.
7. Brian Kelly respectfully remains silent on the reason for Tee's leaving.

In my mind, Tee has acted with a great deal of class throughout the past six months. He deserves our continued respect, and I for one am rooting for his return to Notre Dame as a student. If he is able to play football, that would be great. But he appears to have a kind of "Rudy-Like" love for the university, and if there is a way to clear a path for his return I wish him all the success in the world.

Speculation regarding the reason he left Notre Dame is just that, Speculation.
AMEN
 
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