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ShamrockOnHelmet said:
I think this blog is vastly overstating the impact of Virginia and nc markets...
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You're talking about the D.C area when you talk about Virginia. A very large and wealthy popluated area. I would imagine there are a lot of graduates from the B1G living in the area.

Don't kid yourself if you think the B1G is done expanding. They are very smart and deliberate on how they want to do this. It's all about the money.
 
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Irish#1 said:
You're talking about the D.C area when you talk about Virginia. A very large and wealthy popluated area. I would imagine there are a lot of graduates from the B1G living in the area.

Don't kid yourself if you think the B1G is done expanding. They are very smart and deliberate on how they want to do this. It's all about the money.
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But there are basically zero UVA sports fans out there. UVA is like Notre Dame in terms of size and academic prestige... but without any sports tradition outside of lacrosse and no bandwagon fans. People in VA/NOVA/DC/MD who didn't go to UVA (aka 99% of them) root for Maryland or Virginia Tech.

There is literally no draw to adding Virginia to the B1G when you just added Maryland... unless you're going for a 6th lacrosse to team to kickoff B1G lacrosse... and we all know that's not the driver.
 
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IrishLax said:
But there are basically zero UVA sports fans out there. UVA is like Notre Dame in terms of size and academic prestige... but without any sports tradition outside of lacrosse and no bandwagon fans. People in VA/NOVA/DC/MD who didn't go to UVA (aka 99% of them) root for Maryland or Virginia Tech.

There is literally no draw to adding Virginia to the B1G when you just added Maryland... unless you're going for a 6th lacrosse to team to kickoff B1G lacrosse... and we all know that's not the driver.
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Exactly. I work in the area as does Lax and when the radio is on in DC, it's about the Terps. After the Terps, it's about pro sports. Between the 'Skins, Ravens, O's, Nats, Caps, and even the lowly Wizards, the area has enough sports. Not to mention the Maryland campus is like 20 mins from DC, if that. UVA would add nothing to B1G that Maryland already can't bring.
 
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Seen multiple reports today out of UVA shooting all this Big Ten talk down.
I know, I know. There's no story until there's a story. But UVA/UNC both seem like hardcore ACC, and neither makes much sense for the Big Ten unless you're purely gunning for 16 teams.
 
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IrishLax said:
But there are basically zero UVA sports fans out there. UVA is like Notre Dame in terms of size and academic prestige... but without any sports tradition outside of lacrosse and no bandwagon fans. People in VA/NOVA/DC/MD who didn't go to UVA (aka 99% of them) root for Maryland or Virginia Tech.

There is literally no draw to adding Virginia to the B1G when you just added Maryland... unless you're going for a 6th lacrosse to team to kickoff B1G lacrosse... and we all know that's not the driver.
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Lax did you read this The SEC and Big Ten Will Have 16 Members : Outkick The Coverage
 
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North Buffalo Irish said:
ESPN reported during the Indiana/UNC game that Cincinnati is desperate to get into the ACC ahead of UConn or especially Louisville.
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Cincinnati would probably be the best addition in terms of market, but Louisville has the best facilities and I believe UConn has the best academics. They should just add all 3 if another team leaves though.
 
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Definitely take Louisville over Cincinnati...I would say Connecticut would be a better pickup too.

UofL and UConn would help make the ACC the best basketball conference again. The Cards actually have a decent football program and will continue to improve if they can keep Charlie Strong. UConn is pedestrian in football, but the location and fanbase is more desirable than Cincy.

Can anyone explain why the ACC is so undesirable compared to the Big Ten?
 
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Just a thought, but maybe the reason there is not a set year for us to officially join the ACC yet is because Swarbrick is waiting to see what all this expansion leads to? If it leads to the demise of the ACC, then we switch to the Big 12 without the $50 Million exit fee due to officially never joining the conference?
 
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RallySonsOfND said:
Just a thought, but maybe the reason there is not a set year for us to officially join the ACC yet is because Swarbrick is waiting to see what all this expansion leads to? If it leads to the demise of the ACC, then we switch to the Big 12 without the $50 Million exit fee due to officially never joining the conference?
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Well, duh. Swarbrick isn't rushing into anything because so much is still up in the air. He made the safe move of taking the "one foot in the door" stance from the Big East and into the ACC.

I fear that TV is ruining college sports. I pray that capitalism destroys the cable companies via internet a la carte television service before it's too late. Having any more than 12 is silly, and more than 14 is pathetic. I miss the days when everyone played everyone else!

Swarbrick is on record that Notre Dame is waiting until the "a la carte" technology is readily available before they launch their Notre Dame Network. He wasn't sold on Texas' deal with ESPN.
 
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Losing Maryland and adding Louisville only makes the ACC stronger in football and basketball. And it makes ND's strength of schedule stronger since we will play them every year in Basketball and every 2-3 years in football.
 
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swarbricks move to acc in non-football plus the 5 game gurantee basically indicated to delaney that ND is now and forever more off the table and so he (delaney) made his move on maryland and rutgers so in a sense jacks last move kinda caused this latest round of realignment in a way.
 
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It's been interesting seeing the conference realignment BS start up again so early. It's been kinda funny, all I've seen in the B1G message boards that I frequent is that they've all but "destroyed the ACC" with the move of Maryland. They've been under the impression that UVA, North Carolina, and Georgia Tech were done deals to follow suit. Once those three lynchpins are out, they figured Florida State was bookin' it too. Now that UNC and UVA seemingly have solidified their positions, and with the addition of Louisville, it seems the ACC is just as strong or stronger than it was before.
 
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ulukinatme said:
It's been interesting seeing the conference realignment BS start up again so early. It's been kinda funny, all I've seen in the B1G message boards that I frequent is that they've all but "destroyed the ACC" with the move of Maryland. They've been under the impression that UVA, North Carolina, and Georgia Tech were done deals to follow suit. Once those three lynchpins are out, they figured Florida State was bookin' it too. Now that UNC and UVA seemingly have solidified their positions, and with the addition of Louisville, it seems the ACC is just as strong or stronger than it was before.
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The BIG10 and SEC are going to get to 16 teams it is just a matter of time. They both have their eyes set on the states of Virginia and North Carolina (BIG10 GT as well). The money disparity between the SEC BIG10 and the ACC will be too big to ignore.
 
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Let me start this comment by saying that I prefer our Independent status and hope that can stay the same forever.

However moving forward to a four super-conference sounds really cool, if done the right way.
As of now you have a lot of traditional rivalries that are gone and more on the way.
Once the latest fall out of moving teams occur generational games may disappear.
I fear the addition of the four team playoff will make tough out of conference games extinct.
If you think the politicking going on now is crazy wait until there's one undefeated team and five teams with one loss... someone always gets screwed.
After seeing the way the FBS coaches tried their best to keep us out of the championship game, I can see us as the team getting left out when possible.

Four Super-Conferences: win your conference and you're in.
The fear of expanding playoffs is solved.
Every other bowl eligible team goes bowling so that wouldn't change.

Out-of-conference games wouldn't hurt your chances to enter the playoffs.
You could get A&M vs Texas again and The ND/SC game could continue forever.
Just imagine the great match-ups that would take place since all that a hard OOC schedule would do is make your team battle tested and ready for conference play.

IMO- it would elevate the level of play and the most important thing: it would eliminate the biased human polls and no more non-FBS match-ups.
 
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The Big East championship decided tonight when the team that this week bolted for the ACC defeated the team that last week defected to the Big Ten.
 
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Wonder what the Big East officials were thinking watching that game tonight... Their two best teams are going to be gone in a couple years.
 
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Let's say the ACC blows up, but we're required to join a conference. Big 12 seems the most logical, but what if we joined the SEC? I think it's obviously that geography is no longer an issue here. I think it could happen. A SEC channel could now get the Chicago, Boston, and NY markets.

I wouldn't like it, but interested what others might think.
 
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pumpdog20 said:
Let's say the ACC blows up, but we're required to join a conference. Big 12 seems the most logical, but what if we joined the SEC? I think it's obviously that geography is no longer an issue here. I think it could happen. A SEC channel could now get the Chicago, Boston, and NY markets.

I wouldn't like it, but interested what others might think.
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Not sure if the SEC would offer up a deal similar to the ACC's. The ACC made the most sense from a footprint perspecitve, olympic sports perspective, academic perspective and football perspective. Outside of football, I don't see ND matching well with the SEC.

Ironically, when looking at it this way, the Big 10 would make the most sense outside of football. :puke: But, the Big 12 would trump this if staying independent was an option.
 
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