Stanford Recruiting and Everything Else

[IrishLax]

Not "one of the reasons"? Yeah, it is.

Sorry, that's not how I read your post. If you had said "One of the reasons they redshirted ten players from their '17 class was to get them acclimated to academics." I would've gotten your meaning. Instead I thought you were saying "Ten of their 2017 class of 14 were redshirted with one reason... that it helps them acclimated to academic demands." ... as in that it was the singular reasoning for them being redshirt.

 

[T Town Tommy]

It truly is absurd how well they've done with the propaganda, especially considering:
1. It isn't close to true. They get LOTS of help on admissions.
2. Many students ABSOLUTELY do hold them in contempt, and have posted such online or wrote op-eds about it (I'll see if I can google them up later).
3. They got caught distributing a list of easy classes for athletes, and got super embarrassed about it. They had been publishing that list for years and then stopped when they got caught because it was bad optics... now they just do it by word of mouth.

But props to David Shaw for cultivating this perception... perception = reality. And it's not like the overall idea isn't rooted in fact -- Stanford is a great school and they graduate almost all their players with meaningful degrees. It's just the icing that they put on it that always makes me roll my eyes so hard... like these kids actually think they aren't getting help to get into Stanford? Or special treatment once there?

I have always been led to believe that it is much harder for a football player to get in to Stanford vs Notre Dame but that the academic requirements were harder at Notre Dame once in school. Not the easy class side but the fact that ND requires football players to take full load classes in the fall whereas Stanford does not. Don't know how true any of that is but that's my "perception" of the Stanford/ND argument.

As far as Stanford students not liking football players.... is there anything Stanford students actually like? They seem like the most prunish 20 year olds on the planet. Yet somehow they like David Shaw... when the rest of the country, including me, find him a bit repulsive.

 

[dublinirish]

I have always been led to believe that it is much harder for a football player to get in to Stanford vs Notre Dame but that the academic requirements were harder at Notre Dame once in school. Not the easy class side but the fact that ND requires football players to take full load classes in the fall whereas Stanford does not. Don't know how true any of that is but that's my "perception" of the Stanford/ND argument.

As far as Stanford students not liking football players.... is there anything Stanford students actually like? They seem like the most prunish 20 year olds on the planet. Yet somehow they like David Shaw... when the rest of the country, including me, find him a bit repulsive.

most outside looking in folks feel same way about BK

 

[T Town Tommy]

most outside looking in folks feel same way about BK

LoL...

while I find some things BK has said in the past a bit puzzling, and the period of time in a dismal season where he seemed to lay more blame on players than coaching was a bit much, for the most part he just comes off like most any other Type A personality coach. Shaw, on the other hand, seems to pop his mouth off way too much. It's him pandering for national recognition and affirmation as a coach that perturbs me... especially since he hasn't been a real threat to win a NC. Not that he's a bad coach. He isn't. But his constant whining about "respect" drives me crazy. He would gain much more respect if he would be in meaningful playoff games at the end of each season.

 

[Irish#1]

Is this in terms of losing recruits to Stanford?

No. No offense to anyone, but it seems we recycle this same subject (Stanford easy classes, low attendance, etc.) with some regularity.

 

[dublinirish]

No. No offense to anyone, but it seems we recycle this same subject (Stanford easy classes, low attendance, etc.) with some regularity.

dont forget the drugs

 

[Irish#1]

dont forget the drugs

etc.

 

[IrishLax]

I have always been led to believe that it is much harder for a football player to get in to Stanford vs Notre Dame but that the academic requirements were harder at Notre Dame once in school. Not the easy class side but the fact that ND requires football players to take full load classes in the fall whereas Stanford does not. Don't know how true any of that is but that's my "perception" of the Stanford/ND argument.

As far as Stanford students not liking football players.... is there anything Stanford students actually like? They seem like the most prunish 20 year olds on the planet. Yet somehow they like David Shaw... when the rest of the country, including me, find him a bit repulsive.

Stanford is a lot harder to get into than ND for a football player. The myth is that you need like a 3.8 and 1300 SAT... and that myth exists because David Shaw has carefully cultivated it. Remember when he said he wouldn’t do satellite camps because “maybe one kid in the state could get in to Stanford?” It’s nothing but lies and propaganda. The truth is that a 3.0 and a 1000 is the bare minimum, and then the application process is pretty subjective. Most kids they take have much better than that minimum, but that’s all you need as a baseline if you’re really good at football... hardly the quality of a “normal” Stanford student by any sense of the imagination.

 

[dublinirish]

got a commit from 4 Star 2019 TX OL Branson Bragg

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you God. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COMMITTED?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COMMITTED</a> <a href="https://t.co/k8MSDysUf0">pic.twitter.com/k8MSDysUf0</a></p>— Branson Bragg (@bransonbragg72) <a href="https://twitter.com/bransonbragg72/status/1007760026709250048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Wingman Ray]

got a commit from 4 Star 2019 TX OL Branson Bragg

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you God. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COMMITTED?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COMMITTED</a> <a href="https://t.co/k8MSDysUf0">pic.twitter.com/k8MSDysUf0</a></p>— Branson Bragg (@bransonbragg72) <a href="https://twitter.com/bransonbragg72/status/1007760026709250048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Like minded as in flaming liberal? Why is it that mention of God and Stanford just seem like oil and water?

 

[IrishLion]

Like minded as in flaming liberal? Why is it that mention of God and Stanford just seem like oil and water?

Let's don't do politics and religion in a football thread, eh?

 

[dublinirish]

Let's don't do politics and religion in a football thread, eh?

Modspeak: Stick to Tacos lads

 

[connor_in]

Let's don't do politics and religion in a football thread, eh?

 

[zelezo vlk]

Modspeak: Stick to Tacos lads

 

[IrishLion]

Modspeak: Stick to Tacos lads

Y u italics


Food threads or GTFO

 

[dublinirish]

Y u italics


Food threads or GTFO

Pro Tip: You can say anything to a Mod with italics and get away with it.

Update the bannerz you low energy Ubisoft zealot

 

[IrishLion]

Pro Tip: You can say anything to a Mod with italics and get away with it.

Update the bannerz you low energy Ubisoft zealot

I still don't see a need for italics.

For real though, mods don't have front-page design and edit power. That falls to our admins.

Aka, inbox your complaints to Whiskey and Beau haha

 

[Legacy]

Quick Numbers.

Stanford has sixteen Seniors with no eligibility left and twelve Redshirt Seniors.

They have three verbal commitments (8th in Pac12), including Salim Turner-Mohammed.

We are competing with them for (247 "Warm"):
Cornelius Johnson, WR
T.J. Sheffield, WR
Aeneas Dicosmo, WDE

Players in whom ND has been interested, but Stanford are favored to sign:
Walter Rouse, OT
Austin Jones, RR
Hudson Henry, TE

The Tree should be shooting for a class size of twenty or greater.

 

[NDMIA]

Quick Numbers.

Stanford has sixteen Seniors with no eligibility left and twelve Redshirt Seniors.

They have three verbal commitments (8th in Pac12), including Salim Turner-Mohammed.

We are competing with them for (247 "Warm"):
Cornelius Johnson, WR
T.J. Sheffield, WR
Aeneas Dicosmo, WDE

Players in whom ND has been interested, but Stanford are favored to sign:
Walter Rouse, OT
Austin Jones, RR
Hudson Henry, TE

The Tree should be shooting for a class size of twenty or greater.

I originally read this as 16 seniors and 12 RS SR’s which would be huge losses but I realize 16 will be gone. Stanford is among the lowest in terms of attrition rate so they can’t oversign like ND let alone the SEC schools.

Right now they are at 79 scholarships without unknown walk ons who’ve been added. Losing 16 guys with eligibility would leave them at 63 with 1 mission trip kid coming in (Levani Damuli). So they could take 21 to get to the full 85 or even a few more to get above as they had a few grad transfers this offseason (Keller Chryst & Terrence Alexander off the top of my head) & 3 early departures to the NFL (Justin Reid, Harrison Phillips, & Dalton Schultz) which could happen again next offseason. I think theyll be happy to get between 22-25 guys.

 

[Legacy]

I originally read this as 16 seniors and 12 RS SR’s which would be huge losses but I realize 16 will be gone. Stanford is among the lowest in terms of attrition rate so they can’t oversign like ND let alone the SEC schools.

Right now they are at 79 scholarships without unknown walk ons who’ve been added. Losing 16 guys with eligibility would leave them at 63 with 1 mission trip kid coming in (Levani Damuli). So they could take 21 to get to the full 85 or even a few more to get above as they had a few grad transfers this offseason (Keller Chryst & Terrence Alexander off the top of my head) & 3 early departures to the NFL (Justin Reid, Harrison Phillips, & Dalton Schultz) which could happen again next offseason. I think theyll be happy to get between 22-25 guys.

I agree, of course, though I had them at 81 with Richardson getting a scholarship and did not know that Damuli was returning this year. My feeling is that lately they have not had as many RS Seniors accepting a fifth year as in the past or as many grad transfers like Casey Tucker, Chryst and Alexander. Lately, with gr tr, Early entrants and players not accepting fifth years (plenty of room), they always seem to be around eighty. With that kind of annual room, they always give some PWOs scholarships. Assuming they give scholarships to Senior walkons, they would have five available to get to eighty-five plus the sixteen graduating before any attrition or RS Seniors moving on. I'll check the roster to see who left that I missed. Their class size always seems to have a couple LDS kids who sign but go on mission, so we're probably talking 20-23. You are comparing ND and SEC in "oversigning". Thanks for the thoughts.

 

[NDMIA]

I agree, of course, though I had them at 81 with Richardson getting a scholarship and did not know that Damuli was returning this year. My feeling is that lately they have not had as many RS Seniors accepting a fifth year as in the past or as many grad transfers like Casey Tucker, Chryst and Alexander. Lately, with gr tr, Early entrants and players not accepting fifth years (plenty of room), they always seem to be around eighty. With that kind of annual room, they always give some PWOs scholarships. Assuming they give scholarships to Senior walkons, they would have five available to get to eighty-five plus the sixteen graduating before any attrition or RS Seniors moving on. I'll check the roster to see who left that I missed. Their class size always seems to have a couple LDS kids who sign but go on mission, so we're probably talking 20-23. You are comparing ND and SEC in "oversigning". Thanks for the thoughts.

Lol I know the SEC gets ridiculous but actually since the age of gray shirting, early signing period, and other factors there has been less room for oversigning kids in the SEC. Bama did not nearly have as many guys this year as they’ve had in the past. Notre Dame under Brian Kelly is finally realizing the benefits of signing close to 100 guys for the following season because of the amount of attrition that occurred. We lose about 15 guys every year to medical, transfers, and the NFL so BK has gotten much better with roster management and ND has benefitted because of the tactic. It’s different in the Bama realm though because they’ll go last minute gray shirts with guys where Notre Dame doesn’t do that. ND lost 17 dudes with eligibility remaining for this season.

Quenton Nelson - NFL
Equanimeous St. Brown - NFL
Josh Adams - NFL
CJ Sanders - SMU
Jonathon MacCollister - UCF
Elijah Taylor - EKU
Deon McIntosh - E Miss CC
Jay Hayes - Georgia
Nick Watkins - Houston
Freddy Canteen - Tulane
Pete Mokwuah - Transfer
Brandon Tiassum - Dismissed
CJ Holmes - Dismissed
Kevin Stepherson - Dismissed
Daniel Cage - Retired
Jimmy Byrne - Retired
David Adams - Retired

 

[Legacy]

Stanford has gone from three commits since 6/28 to seven.
The four that committed this past week are:
Austin Jones, RB
Kyu Kelly, CB
Nicholas Toomer, CB
Jake Hornibrook, OT

Jones is four star. The rest are three stars.

Oregon is killing it. Ranked 7th nationally, 14 commits (9 are four stars). Average star rating is better than ND's (91.7 v 90.0) Willie Taggart, who??

 

[arrowryan]

They landed Pakola to go along with Herron. They also just got a crystal ball for WR Elijah Higgins. I don't think I'll ever be able to wrap my head around why kids want to play football there.

Oh well, Stanford has received ass whoopins two weeks in a row now. I like to think we broke them.

Also, glad to see our d-line make Walker Little look bad. I remember when a lot of people on here wanted him.

 

[ab2cmiller]

IE members when we lose recruiting battles to every other school ----- recruit obviously didn't mean it when he said he cared about education.

IE members when we lose recruiting battles to Stanford ----- why in the world would that recruit want to play in front of that fan base.

 

[Luckylucci]

They landed Pakola to go along with Herron. They also just got a crystal ball for WR Elijah Higgins. I don't think I'll ever be able to wrap my head around why kids want to play football there.

Oh well, Stanford has received ass whoopins two weeks in a row now. I like to think we broke them.

Also, glad to see our d-line make Walker Little look bad. I remember when a lot of people on here wanted him.

It should've been 3 weeks in a row, Oregon fans are really unhappy about this. They feel like they got cheated. They lost the game and Stanford has got housed in the two games after. So now their loss looks even worse, lol.

 

[arrowryan]

IE members when we lose recruiting battles to every other school ----- recruit obviously didn't mean it when he said he cared about education.

IE members when we lose recruiting battles to Stanford ----- why in the world would that recruit want to play in front of that fan base.

I don’t mind if kids want to play at a football school or want to go get an education while playing football. But Stanford is just weird. I don’t like their head coach. They have like 5 fans. And they try really hard to get recruits to visit after the season is over because they know their game day experience is embarrassingly bad.

 

[ResLife Hero]

I saw Hudson Henry trending away from them and decided to check out their class. One surprise I noticed: they haven't gotten a DT commit since Dalyn Wade-Perry in 2017. Given, they signed 3 in 2016, but anyone know if this is by design, or do they have a major roster hole on the DL? From what I saw, they don't have much of a board for DT in 2019 either.

 

[NDMIA]

I saw Hudson Henry trending away from them and decided to check out their class. One surprise I noticed: they haven't gotten a DT commit since Dalyn Wade-Perry in 2017. Given, they signed 3 in 2016, but anyone know if this is by design, or do they have a major roster hole on the DL? From what I saw, they don't have much of a board for DT in 2019 either.

Stanford plays a 3-4. Here is their 2019 roster in regards to DLine...

2019 DL Roster (10 Scholarships)
RS SR 3* Dylan Jackson
RS JR 3* Michael Williams
RS JR 3* Bo Peek
RS JR 3* Jovan Swann
RS JR 3* Thomas Schaffer
RS SO 4* Dalyn Wade-Perry
RS SO 4* Ryan Johnson
SO 4* Thomas Booker
RS FR 4* Andres Fox
FR 4* Joshua Pakola

The bolded guys are the nose tackles in their 3-4 right now and they should probably add 2 more defensive lineman in this cycle, but there aren't many offers out there for defensive lineman. In terms of needs I think they are comfortable with those 3 and then Jovan Swann can play there in a pinch. I think they'll offer a guy or two down the road after the season to boost their depth. They seem to come in late with offers for some guys when grades roll around.

 

[KizerWilhelm]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s the scene for a big Pac-12 North showdown between ranked foes Washington State and Stanford. <a href="https://t.co/V6iWbXSGE8">pic.twitter.com/V6iWbXSGE8</a></p>— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) <a href="https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1056322664271204352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[beryirish]

I love seeing Stanford struggle...but not this year. Was really hoping they'd pull out the victory Saturday.