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This has not really been an issue on our offensive or defensive lines though.

I was on my phone so it's hard to highlight and bold. I was more making a general statement about how they run their program and recruiting. One reason why they've had continued success and will probably do so in the future. I like our OL and DL coaches quite a bit. Like posted above, they run a different blocking scheme than ND does and that contributes to a lot of what folks might see as a difference. We ran all over that DL this year and so did many others. It's not the Stanford DL of old and won't be next year either.

With that said, like posted above. In the early parts of BK's tenure we certainly had our fair share of busts or misses on the DL
 

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looks like they will get pryts to flip tomorrow and will have 25 in their class
 

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looks like they will get pryts to flip tomorrow and will have 25 in their class

Stanford roster breakdown.

2.....QB's
5.....offensive lineman
4.....tight ends
4.....safeties
70...converted safeties.

No italics.
 

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Stanford roster breakdown.

2.....QB's
5.....offensive lineman
4.....tight ends
4.....safeties
70...converted safeties.

No italics.

I really wanna make a joke about D Rob getting into Stanford and balling out at safety...probably best that I don't.
 

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4 star CA RB Beau Bisharat was denied by Stanford admissions so has decommitted from the Trees and committed to Colorado

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After much consideration,<br>I have decided to commit to the University of Colorado! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CoffeeIsForClosers?src=hash">#CoffeeIsForClosers</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CUin16?src=hash">#CUin16</a> <a href="https://t.co/THp1CqSigR">pic.twitter.com/THp1CqSigR</a></p>— Beau Bisharat (@BBisharat) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBisharat/status/694756741657956352">February 3, 2016</a></blockquote>
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4 star CA RB Beau Bisharat was denied by Stanford admissions so has decommitted from the Trees and committed to Colorado

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After much consideration,<br>I have decided to commit to the University of Colorado! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CoffeeIsForClosers?src=hash">#CoffeeIsForClosers</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CUin16?src=hash">#CUin16</a> <a href="https://t.co/THp1CqSigR">pic.twitter.com/THp1CqSigR</a></p>— Beau Bisharat (@BBisharat) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBisharat/status/694756741657956352">February 3, 2016</a></blockquote>
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if you cant join the trees I guess smoking them would logically be the best alternative
 

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Admissions never ceases to amaze me. I'm pretty sure I read Bisharat had a 3.5 with Honors/AP classes at a Jesuit HS. He'd been committed since the spring and never got admitted. Guess he sucks at testing. Still, he had Ivy offers so that makes it even stranger.

There are a few public school guys on their admissions list that have been called out for not being Stanford quality. I would hope that factors other than education don't play a part.

I was going to say why do these guys wait so long but then the name Demetris Robertson came to mind.
 

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Feel kind of bad for the kid, hope Colorado was his backup plan and not just one that he picked blindfolded to sign.
 

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Feel kind of bad for the kid, hope Colorado was his backup plan and not just one that he picked blindfolded to sign.

He had other good offers, most notably Oregon. His dad played there but they wanted him at LB... same as most his offers besides Stanford and presumably Colorado. He wants to play RB so good for him. There are worse things than 4 years in Boulder. Plus he grew up 100 miles from Tahoe so good chance he likes the slopes.
 

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He had other good offers, most notably Oregon. His dad played there but they wanted him at LB... same as most his offers besides Stanford and presumably Colorado. He wants to play RB so good for him. There are worse things than 4 years in Boulder. Plus he grew up 100 miles from Tahoe so good chance he likes the slopes.

i be in the end he chose between Nebraska, Colorado and Oregon.
 

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Stanford Will Now Be Free To All Students From Families That Earn Less Than $125,000 Per Year (April 2, 2015)
Last week, Stanford University announced that more accepted students won’t have to pay anything for tuition, which normally runs nearly $46,000 a year.
Students whose families make less than $125,000 a year and have assets worth $300,000 or less, including home equity but excluding anything that they have saved in retirement accounts, won’t have to pay tuition. Students whose families make less than $65,000 also won’t have to pay for room and board, which can run about another $14,100. Scholarships or grants will cover the costs instead, and the school has a $21 billion endowment. The thresholds were previously $100,000 for free tuition and $60,000 for free room and board.
Students will still have to contribute at least $5,000 a year from part-time work during the school year, working during the summer, and/or savings.

Time for ND to step up to the plate.
 
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This is sort of a game to increase applications and decrease the admit rate. Even need-blind schools still ask you to indicate whether you're applying for financial aid on the application. There is a strong bias for the wealthy kids. If you're a wealthy minority, you stand a great chance at an elite education with relatively modest grades.
 

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It's important that Notre Dame recognize the financial burden many of its students and families endure to get their degrees. Those families in the middle class are most at stress. Student loan debt has tripled in the U.S in the last decade.

The total annual cost to attend ND for a year is $64,775 with an average of $37,300 given for first year students "demonstrating financial need" at Notre Dame. Now I don't know how much family income limits are considered "financial need". But the math for an average student demonstrating that need would amount to $27,475 per year or almost $110,000 for four years. The squeeze is on middle class families with multiple children to have one attend Notre Dame. An ND education should not be for rich or the low income families.

Stanford says that 77 percent of undergraduates leave without student debt with similar annual costs for attendance. I don't know what percentage of Notre Dame students graduate without student debt. The average debt for graduating students for all colleges in the U.S. is $27,900. Stanford has a student population of just over 16,000. Notre Dame's student population is just over 14,000.

Harvard's student profile, as an example, shows that 56% of its students come from families earning over $125,000 a year. That is the limit Stanford has established for free tuition with the requirement that the student must contribute with a campus job for $5,000.

Notre Dame has the tenth highest endowment in the nation at $8 billion (Stanford's is third at $21 billion). ND's bond liability is only $890 million.

As the Provost of Stanford said,
“Our highest priority is that Stanford remain affordable and accessible to the most talented students, regardless of their financial circumstances. Our generous financial aid program accomplishes that, and these enhancements will help even more families, including those in the middle class, afford Stanford without going into debt.”

ND gives over $30 million annually to need-based students. It does a lot in that regard. Notre Dame financial situation should assist more for families who are not making over $125,000 a year to attract high-achievement, talented, dedicated and qualified students who would like to come to Notre Dame but can't afford it and are not getting an athletic scholarship with all it covers plus the cost of attendance. That's all I am saying.
 
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It's important that Notre Dame recognize the financial burden many of its students and families endure to get their degrees. Those families in the middle class are most at stress. Student loan debt has tripled in the U.S in the last decade.

The total annual cost to attend ND for a year is $64,775 with an average of $37,300 given for first year students "demonstrating financial need" at Notre Dame. Now I don't know how much family income limits are considered "financial need". But the math for an average student demonstrating that need would amount to $27,475 per year or almost $110,000 for four years. The squeeze is on middle class families with multiple children to have one attend Notre Dame. An ND education should not be for rich or the low income families.

Stanford says that 77 percent of undergraduates leave without student debt with similar annual costs for attendance. I don't know what percentage of Notre Dame students graduate without student debt. The average debt for graduating students for all colleges in the U.S. is $27,900. Stanford has a student population of just over 16,000. Notre Dame's student population is just over 14,000.

Harvard's student profile, as an example, shows that 56% of its students come from families earning over $125,000 a year. That is the limit Stanford has established for free tuition with the requirement that the student must contribute with a campus job for $5,000.

Notre Dame has the tenth highest endowment in the nation at $8 billion (Stanford's is third at $21 billion). ND's bond liability is only $890 million.

As the Provost of Stanford said,

ND gives over $30 million annually to need-based students. It does a lot in that regard. Notre Dame financial situation should assist more for families who are not making over $125,000 a year to attract high-achievement, talented, dedicated and qualified students who would like to come to Notre Dame but can't afford it and are not getting an athletic scholarship with all it covers plus the cost of attendance. That's all I am saying.

Point of correction: ND's endowment is $10.5B.
 

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It's important that Notre Dame recognize the financial burden many of its students and families endure to get their degrees. Those families in the middle class are most at stress. Student loan debt has tripled in the U.S in the last decade.

The total annual cost to attend ND for a year is $64,775 with an average of $37,300 given for first year students "demonstrating financial need" at Notre Dame. Now I don't know how much family income limits are considered "financial need". But the math for an average student demonstrating that need would amount to $27,475 per year or almost $110,000 for four years. The squeeze is on middle class families with multiple children to have one attend Notre Dame. An ND education should not be for rich or the low income families.

Stanford says that 77 percent of undergraduates leave without student debt with similar annual costs for attendance. I don't know what percentage of Notre Dame students graduate without student debt. The average debt for graduating students for all colleges in the U.S. is $27,900. Stanford has a student population of just over 16,000. Notre Dame's student population is just over 14,000.

Harvard's student profile, as an example, shows that 56% of its students come from families earning over $125,000 a year. That is the limit Stanford has established for free tuition with the requirement that the student must contribute with a campus job for $5,000.

Notre Dame has the tenth highest endowment in the nation at $8 billion (Stanford's is third at $21 billion). ND's bond liability is only $890 million.

As the Provost of Stanford said,

ND gives over $30 million annually to need-based students. It does a lot in that regard. Notre Dame financial situation should assist more for families who are not making over $125,000 a year to attract high-achievement, talented, dedicated and qualified students who would like to come to Notre Dame but can't afford it and are not getting an athletic scholarship with all it covers plus the cost of attendance. That's all I am saying.

This is just fundamentally wrong on so many levels, ND does a great job with financial aid for most families with limited income. Somehow, you're painting that as being "not enough." They are not Stanford or Harvard, but they are better than literally 99% of colleges in this country. You do not deserve to go to private college for free simply for being "middle class"... whatever that is. That's just stupid.

The truth is, over half of Notre Dame's undergrads gets need-based financial aid. As you said, the payout is pretty large and totals over $100 million/year given out. I know a current student with family income of over $100k that has almost 100% of tuition paid for. That is a "middle class" family with multiple kids having gone through or going through college. It is not Notre Dame's job or mandatory function to set lines in the sand where everyone below a certain point goes for free... and student debt isn't the end of the world when you go to a good school like Notre Dame, get a good degree, and then get a good job.
 
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It's time for the federal government to stop subsidizing public and private universities through blank checks for students. That would stop run away tuition in a hurry. If you give a mouse a cookie, he's going to build million dollar housing and state-of-the-art classrooms and claim kids can't learn without them. Also, it would prevent graduates from not being able to participate fully in the housing market after graduation. Subsidizing education is bleeding into other parts of familial, social, and economic life.

This is just fundamentally wrong on so many levels, ND does a great job with financial aid for most families with limited income. Somehow, you're painting that as being "not enough." They are not Stanford or Harvard, but they are better than literally 99% of colleges in this country. You do not deserve to go to private college for free simply for being "middle class"... whatever that is. That's just stupid.

The truth is, over half of Notre Dame's undergrads gets need-based financial aid. As you said, the payout is pretty large and totals over $100 million/year given out. I know a current student with family income of over $100k that has almost 100% of tuition paid for. That is a "middle class" family with multiple kids having gone through or going through college. It is not Notre Dame's job or mandatory function to set lines in the sand where everyone below a certain point goes for free... and student debt isn't the end of the world when you go to a good school like Notre Dame, get a good degree, and then get a good job.

This all may be true, but I got the shaft because of my family's situation. Only child in a middle class family = no need-based financial aid for you!
 

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This all may be true, but I got the shaft because of my family's situation. Only child in a middle class family = no need-based financial aid for you!

Granted, this was now a decade ago (holy crap I'm getting old), but I had a friend who was the oldest of 7 and couldn't go to ND because he got effectively zero aid. His later siblings... because they could demonstrate other children in school... got tons of aid.

I had another friend that LOST aid because his parents got a divorce and that screwed with the formula, and he had to transfer out for a year and then back in once everything sort of caught up. My understanding is that aid is a lot more expansive now than it was then.
 

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I essentially paid nothing years 2-4 at ND. If not for a mix-up year 1 that would have been free too. Law school was a different story :/

My understanding is that ND covers 100% of the difference between your FAFSA EFC and tuition + room/board.
 

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This is just fundamentally wrong on so many levels, ND does a great job with financial aid for most families with limited income. Somehow, you're painting that as being "not enough." They are not Stanford or Harvard, but they are better than literally 99% of colleges in this country. You do not deserve to go to private college for free simply for being "middle class"... whatever that is. That's just stupid.

The truth is, over half of Notre Dame's undergrads gets need-based financial aid. As you said, the payout is pretty large and totals over $100 million/year given out. I know a current student with family income of over $100k that has almost 100% of tuition paid for. That is a "middle class" family with multiple kids having gone through or going through college. It is not Notre Dame's job or mandatory function to set lines in the sand where everyone below a certain point goes for free... and student debt isn't the end of the world when you go to a good school like Notre Dame, get a good degree, and then get a good job.

Generally agree, but I would like to point out that finaid at elite privates isn't usually about some high-minded ideal like educating anyone regardless of cost, but rather competing for the best students. I had a friend who wasn't able to afford ND and so was relegated to an Ivy where he was very unhappy because ND gave him the least amount of money of the schools to which he applied. This guy has Rudy-level love for ND so it's regrettable we let him go somewhere else.
 

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I essentially paid nothing years 2-4 at ND. If not for a mix-up year 1 that would have been free too. Law school was a different story :/

My understanding is that ND covers 100% of the difference between your FAFSA EFC and tuition + room/board.

I don't believe that is accurate. My Son has been accepted to ND and the financial part of the equation is potentially a pretty big factor. I've ran the ND Net Price Calculator too many times to count.

Tuition + Room + Board + other misc fees

minus EFC

minus Student Loans (7,500)

minus Student Work Study (2,700)

Equals ND grant award


It's great that ND ensures that there will never be a financial gap but in most people's cases that means $30,000 worth of student loans after four years.

Most of the other Ivy's and the University of Chicago appear to have better financial aid based upon what I've seen using the Net Price Calculators
 

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This is just fundamentally wrong on so many levels, ND does a great job with financial aid for most families with limited income. Somehow, you're painting that as being "not enough." They are not Stanford or Harvard, but they are better than literally 99% of colleges in this country. You do not deserve to go to private college for free simply for being "middle class"... whatever that is. That's just stupid.

The truth is, over half of Notre Dame's undergrads gets need-based financial aid. As you said, the payout is pretty large and totals over $100 million/year given out. I know a current student with family income of over $100k that has almost 100% of tuition paid for. That is a "middle class" family with multiple kids having gone through or going through college. It is not Notre Dame's job or mandatory function to set lines in the sand where everyone below a certain point goes for free... and student debt isn't the end of the world when you go to a good school like Notre Dame, get a good degree, and then get a good job.

Humbly, I offered my fundamentally wrong and stupid response to your request to "Explain", Lax.

You've made good points about how much Notre Dame commits to its students in need. The only difference that I can offer between your and my viewpoint is mine is from a students and families perspective.

As for your points, ND is one of 62 out of 1,136 that report meeting the full financial aid for its students. (linked) I think they are in a financial position that they could. Should they?

A parents' and student's decisions may also involve what is a "good degree"? Do liberal arts degrees count?

Let's say that ND projects more families with incomes of greater than $60,000 a year and less than $125,000, go where the money offered is. Notre Dame may see itself as a Harvard where extremes in family incomes pushes out many Notre Dame alumni's families though they have "good jobs". Does it project less students with liberal arts degrees? Is this where it wants to head? If your child got into ND or Stanford and qualified for the extensive aid Stanford now offers, what would you choose?

Student loans are just that. These are lifetime decisions. Consider this:
Americans are increasingly entering their retirement years with student loan debt. Outstanding federal student loan balances for people 65 and older have ballooned from about $2.8 billion in 2005 to $18.2 billion in 2013, according to a GAO analysis of Survey of Consumer Finances data. There are now approximately 706,000 senior citizen households that still have student loan debt.
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I am limited in resources to answer many of these questions.

Whether Notre Dame and other educational institutions should maintain their tax-exempt status is another question - a can of worms I am not suggesting we open. That may or may not be where Rack Em is headed.

Additionally, UPDATED for 2015: 100% Meet Need Colleges List is the same but notations say:
Students may be required to take out federal student loans as part of their financial aid awards.
 
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I don't believe that is accurate. My Son has been accepted to ND and the financial part of the equation is potentially a pretty big factor. I've ran the ND Net Price Calculator too many times to count.

Tuition + Room + Board + other misc fees

minus EFC

minus Student Loans (7,500)

minus Student Work Study (2,700)

Equals ND grant award


It's great that ND ensures that there will never be a financial gap but in most people's cases that means $30,000 worth of student loans after four years.

Most of the other Ivy's and the University of Chicago appear to have better financial aid based upon what I've seen using the Net Price Calculators

$30,000 over the course of four years is essentially nothing considering the value of an ND education. If $30,000 grand is holding your son back I would be happy to talk to him about why it shouldn't.
 

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$30,000 over the course of four years is essentially nothing considering the value of an ND education. If $30,000 grand is holding your son back I would be happy to talk to him about why it shouldn't.

Yeah, I would gladly pay 30 grand to send my daughter there one day. I am about to finish my degree from one of the online ones and it would have cost me $60,000 alone in tuition if it weren't for military grants and the GI Bill. It kind of makes me want to cry to see those figures for ND lol.
 

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Humbly, I offered my fundamentally wrong and stupid response to your request to "Explain", Lax.

You've made good points about how much Notre Dame commits to its students in need. The only difference that I can offer between your and my viewpoint is mine is from a students and families perspective.

As for your points, ND is one of 62 out of 1,136 that report meeting the full financial aid for its students. (linked) I think they are in a financial position that they could. Should they?

I wasn't trying to say that you were stupid I was trying to say that the idea that Notre Dame "doesn't do enough" and that this in turn squeezing out a large quantity talented, prospective students doesn't make sense.

The academic profile of Notre Dame students ranks in the #8 through #13 range of universities, per data that was recently released. That outpaces their USN&WR ranking by a significant margin. They're obviously getting a very talented, very competitive group of students. I do not know where these students fall on the economic spectrum, but the vast majority of people I knew at Notre Dame were "middle class" by most definitions. There really isn't evidence that they need to step up to the plate to be competitive with other elite private schools.

When before I said "explain" it was under the assumption that it was somehow football related and I didn't understand the connection. Now it's clear your point was strictly academic.
 

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I don't believe that is accurate. My Son has been accepted to ND and the financial part of the equation is potentially a pretty big factor. I've ran the ND Net Price Calculator too many times to count.

Tuition + Room + Board + other misc fees

minus EFC

minus Student Loans (7,500)

minus Student Work Study (2,700)

Equals ND grant award


It's great that ND ensures that there will never be a financial gap but in most people's cases that means $30,000 worth of student loans after four years.

Most of the other Ivy's and the University of Chicago appear to have better financial aid based upon what I've seen using the Net Price Calculators

20 Tuition-Free Colleges
(See "Best Colleges Providing Free Tuition Based on Family Income" section) This also includes average academic profiles.

If you were offered a PWO at both ND and Stanford, for instance, which would you choose?
 
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20 Tuition-Free Colleges
(See "Best Colleges Providing Free Tuition Based on Family Income" section) This also includes average academic profiles.

If you were offered a PWO at both ND and Stanford, for instance, which would you choose?

If I was actually good enough to play, then the decision would be easy. I would pay more and attend the University of Notre Dame. I think my son would agree if he were faced with the question. Exclude football from the equation, I go to Stanford in a heartbeat when factoring in the financial part of the equation.

I just ran the numbers for Notre Dame, Stanford, Penn and Univ of Chicago. All of them were showing similar levels of work study dollars. Below is our 4 year estimated cost to attend these fine universities, assuming no rate increases (LOL) and no significant changes to our finances

Stanford - $39,600 (No Loans)
Notre Dame - $96,900 ($66,900 plus $30,000 in loans)
Univ of Pennsylvania - $52,600 (No Loans)
Univ of Chicago - $60,368 (No Loans)
 
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