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*****light spoilers****


Btw, I'm pretty far into the game, just found some cave filled with bears and such, and Gerdur was dead inside, on top some rock mound like shed been sacrificed... Crazy. I know any character can absolutely die, but I've never just found them dead randomly like that....

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BTW ulk, I liked Oblivion more too... The houses and decor stuff in that game was great, and the side stories seemed better, still thought Skyrim was great though.


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Skyrim is awesome but I'm in the Oblivion is better camp. Love the quests, guilds, and as ACAMP stated, the randomness of the games encounters. I also spent countless hours in the College of Winterhold reading tomes. That said Skyrim got easy too quick and like someone said earlier the final battle was a letdown. It's cool making Legendary Daedric gear but that also makes you pretty much unstoppable. It needs to be more of a challenge and hopefully the next installment fixes that. And then there's the glitchy factor which when you think about the amount of.. well everything in the game it kind of makes sense. But that doesn't mean you get any less pissed when it happens to you. All in all I feel kind of silly for talking smack about Skyrim because it's really really awesome. I finished playing at 187 hours and you don't put that kind of time into a bad game. Have fun those of you just starting up and as someone else said The Elder Scrolls Wiki is full of information if you're feeling stuck.
 
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Morrowind was the height golf the series. It's been getting simpler and dumber with every game since then. Still great games though.
 
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I'm a level 3, about to deliver an axe to 'Jarl of Whiterun'.

So far, I haven't touched magic or spells and am just besting people with my axe. Is this bad strategy?
 

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I'm a level 3, about to deliver an axe to 'Jarl of Whiterun'.

So far, I haven't touched magic or spells and am just besting people with my axe. Is this bad strategy?

Play how you want really, though eventually, you'll need some magic.
 

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That said Skyrim got easy too quick and like someone said earlier the final battle was a letdown. It's cool making Legendary Daedric gear but that also makes you pretty much unstoppable. It needs to be more of a challenge and hopefully the next installment fixes that.

I've seen this complaint many times, and I don't really understand it. TES games have always been as easy or hard as you choose to make them. Skyrim is no exception. You could faceroll your way through Novice difficulty with an iron dagger. If you feel compelled to craft a full set of legendary Daedric gear, bump the difficulty up to Master or Legendary so combat doesn't become trivial.
 
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WTF is draedic gear and how do you craft it?

I still haven't touched magic and am not sure if I'm supposed to be investing money into it or what. How someone could pass this game without the internet is beyond me, lol.

I'm still addicted to picking locks.
 

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WTF is draedic gear and how do you craft it?

Daedric is a type of heavy armor. One of the best in the game, and widely considered to be the best looking too (provided you don't mind looking evil).

I still haven't touched magic and am not sure if I'm supposed to be investing money into it or what. How someone could pass this game without the internet is beyond me, lol.

You're playing the game as Bethesda intended. The only thing you need to worry about is having your combat skills fall behind. Every time you level up, many of the enemies you'll encounter level up, too. So if you spend a lot time picking locks, crafting, buying/ selling, etc, you'll soon find yourself too weak to kill anything.

So don't spread yourself too thin. Pick one method of combat (melee, stealth, magic), one method of defense (heavy armor, light armor, or Alteration) and one complementary/ utility tree (block, sneak, conjuration/ illusion). Then make sure you're purposely leveling those skills as you go.
 
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Daedric is a type of heavy armor. One of the best in the game, and widely considered to be the best looking too (provided you don't mind looking evil).



You're playing the game as Bethesda intended. The only thing you need to worry about is having your combat skills fall behind. Every time you level up, many of the enemies you'll encounter level up, too. So if you spend a lot time picking locks, crafting, buying/ selling, etc, you'll soon find yourself too weak to kill anything.

So don't spread yourself too thin. Pick one method of combat (melee, stealth, magic), one method of defense (heavy armor, light armor, or Alteration) and one complementary/ utility tree (block, sneak, conjuration/ illusion). Then make sure you're purposely leveling those skills as you go.

Interesting, thanks. So I take it when you choose your character at the beginning of the game, there's a different course of game for each character?

So once you 'beat' the game, you have more to do? Oh boy, lol.
 
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If I remember correctly, once you enter a cave/etc the enemies inside are locked into that level. So if you enter a cave at level 8 and come back at 56, you'll crush everything just by looking at it. That'd be boring, so beware.

Interesting, thanks. So I take it when you choose your character at the beginning of the game, there's a different course of game for each character?

The main line is the exact same, and the quests are all the same, but the order and the impact they have on your character change. For instance if you fight for the stromcloak then you can't fight for the empire, but you could next time with a different character.

So once you 'beat' the game, you have more to do? Oh boy, lol.

It takes a while, and get the DLCs.
 

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Interesting, thanks. So I take it when you choose your character at the beginning of the game, there's a different course of game for each character?

So once you 'beat' the game, you have more to do? Oh boy, lol.

I'm the kind of person that does every single side quest I can possibly do. If you haven't already figured this out, you get side quests by talking to various people. Once you enter a new big city just start talking to people and you will get a ton of quests. I've done probably 150 side quests and am only maybe halfway through the actual main storyline.

Also try and get a companion as soon as possible. They are invaluable for storage purposes and help out fighting too.
 

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I've seen this complaint many times, and I don't really understand it. TES games have always been as easy or hard as you choose to make them. Skyrim is no exception. You could faceroll your way through Novice difficulty with an iron dagger. If you feel compelled to craft a full set of legendary Daedric gear, bump the difficulty up to Master or Legendary so combat doesn't become trivial.


This is true of course. All I'm saying is that I think the game should continue to increase in difficulty as you progress through it. It should assume you are getting stronger and stronger weapons and armor. But that may be asking a lot. I honestly never even thought about turning up the level when I was playing it but that is a good idea. Can you change the level at any point in the game? It's been a couple years since I've played.
 
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I'm the kind of person that does every single side quest I can possibly do. If you haven't already figured this out, you get side quests by talking to various people. Once you enter a new big city just start talking to people and you will get a ton of quests. I've done probably 150 side quests and am only maybe halfway through the actual main storyline.

Also try and get a companion as soon as possible. They are invaluable for storage purposes and help out fighting too.

It's nice to finally have an idea of what you look like:

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On a serious note, how do you make a companion? I thought 'Raulgh' or whatever his name is was my homeboy, but he keeps taking off, lol.
 

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On a serious note, how do you make a companion? I thought 'Raulgh' or whatever his name is was my homeboy, but he keeps taking off, lol.

I forget the exact process but you basically just ask them to travel with you. Look it up online. Sometimes there's a glitch and they run off but they should reappear when you respawn.

And I'm not skinny but not nearly that big haha.
 

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Interesting, thanks. So I take it when you choose your character at the beginning of the game, there's a different course of game for each character?

So once you 'beat' the game, you have more to do? Oh boy, lol.


As GK said, there is sooooo much to do you could play for 1000 hours and not beat it. It's really up to you. Side quests, guild quests, all the dungeons to explore, etc. It's insane how deep this game is. The advice to talking to everyone when you get to a new town is good. As is not letting your combat fall behind. Another tip I have is when you're just wandering around keep dropping magic spells that you don't use regularly. For me it was alteration and conjuration (I think). That way you can be leveled up for later when you get a spell you may want or need to use. And since magic regenerates it doesn't cost you anything but it can save a lot of time later.
 
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I haven't used any magic spells at all (and don't know how to do this yet), but I have joined the Stormcloaks rebellion.
 

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I haven't used any magic spells at all (and don't know how to do this yet), but I have joined the Stormcloaks rebellion.

You are dead to me...

Also, Yosilda is the best wife... Just FYI.
 

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I haven't used any magic spells at all (and don't know how to do this yet), but I have joined the Stormcloaks rebellion.

Welcome to the Stormcloaks fellow son of Skyrim!

Have you taken an arrow to the knee yet?

I have yet to complete the vampire DLC...I'll get there someday!
 

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-Full upgraded glass armor, or thieves guild upgraded armor.
-Chilebrand, upgraded
-bow and arrows for days as my weapon of choice
-necklaces and rings to upgrade my carry weight


It's how I roll.
 

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Morrowind was the height golf the series. It's been getting simpler and dumber with every game since then. Still great games though.

If you guys haven't played Morrowind and enjoy Oblivion and Skyrim, you should definitely check it out. It's more challenging since the directions that NPC's give you is all you have to go by and no compass telling you where to go. Sometimes it makes for a real headache finding the locations in the wild but IMO it just adds to the game. Creatures aren't leveled to you but I'm pretty sure are preset, meaning you can't walk into any cave at level 1 and clear it out like in Oblivion.

I never really got into using magic in either Morrowind or Oblivion as I mostly played around a stealth character, but one of the most useful spells they didn't include in Oblivion was Levitate, it allowed for shortcuts scaling mountains, escaping fights, etc. Another thing that added to difficulty was that the magic bar didn't refill on its own, you had to use potions (or eat ingredients? I haven't played in a long time) to restore magic points.

Yeah, I'm going to have to locate my copy soon. (I haven't played Skyrim yet, I will own it some day though.)
 

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My character is well balanced. Block is basically the only skill I ignore completely. I use archery until I'm in close combat where I switch to a one handed weapon and magic. My alchemy, smithing enchanting and light armor skills are also really high.

Will probably start playing again soon but bio shock infinite and borderlands 2 were free on play station plus so I'm balls deep in both if those,
 

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I've found that you level up your one handed skill much faster without a companion.
 

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Welcome to the Stormcloaks fellow son of Skyrim!

Have you taken an arrow to the knee yet?

I have yet to complete the vampire DLC...I'll get there someday!

Skyrim has vampire DLC? The vampire story was the most obnoxious plotline of Oblivion IMO. I can't see paying money to inflict that kind of pain upon myself on purpose.

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I've seen this complaint many times, and I don't really understand it. TES games have always been as easy or hard as you choose to make them. Skyrim is no exception. You could faceroll your way through Novice difficulty with an iron dagger. If you feel compelled to craft a full set of legendary Daedric gear, bump the difficulty up to Master or Legendary so combat doesn't become trivial.

Didn't the enemies scale with the player in the more recent TES games? I think in the older ones you could end up walking into a dungeon that was too advanced and end up getting spanked. I could be wrong there, been awhile since I've played III and prior titles.

I'm a level 3, about to deliver an axe to 'Jarl of Whiterun'.

So far, I haven't touched magic or spells and am just besting people with my axe. Is this bad strategy?

You can be a strictly weapons type warrior if you want, but the beauty of TES is that you're not confined by any one type of build. You can specialize in one area, be a jack of all trades, or anything and everything in between. I will say that some schools of magic will behoove you if you practice them from time to time. For instance, I find that keeping a low level heal spell handy will save you lots of gold long term. Spells that increase your defense can also be handy. Theres plenty of other spells that can really change the way a battle plays out. For instance, a couple Frenzy spells in a bandit dungeon will cause them to beat each other up, mass chaos! A pure mage player is tough to play for beginners, but it can be really fun playing with spell combinations to see what you're capable of. Illusion and Alteration spells are particularly entertaining....mmmm...Paralyze.

I do have a suggestion however: practice using a ranged weapon or destruction magic, it'll come in handy. When you start facing dragons regularly you're going to want either a bow or destruction magic to hit them with while they're in the air. Either one is fine, they both have strengths and weaknesses. Late in the game it won't matter so much and you can rely mostly on your axe again in these fights, but in the beginning and middle portions of the game it's nice to be able to shield yourself behind a rock from dragon fire and then pelt him as he's hovering.

Morrowind was the height golf the series. It's been getting simpler and dumber with every game since then. Still great games though.

Morrowind was pretty bad ass. Its been so long since I've played it, I'm not sure I can really compare it to the more recent TES games. I do know that I heavily modded it after I completed the first play through. I remember that you could create some crazy magic items in that game , like a ring that let you run really fast and also float/fly through the air...awesome for traveling. I do remember Morrowind had all those different Dark Elf houses you could belong to, I enjoyed those quest lines.
 
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Skyrim has vampire DLC? The vampire story was the most obnoxious plotline of Oblivion IMO. I can't see paying money to inflict that kind of pain upon myself on purpose.

I can't compare it to Oblivion, but the Vampire DLC is pretty fun in Skyrim.
 

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I can't compare it to Oblivion, but the Vampire DLC is pretty fun in Skyrim.

Skyrim's vampire storyline is much longer and more detailed than Oblivion's, but then again Oblivion's was a built in story to the vanilla game and not a whole DLC.

Game Society for Pimps (Same guys that do the Chad Vader videos) did some videos on Youtube with Skyrim's DLC. They mostly show how NOT to play the game, but it's entertaining.

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Can you change the level at any point in the game? It's been a couple years since I've played.

Yes. You can even change it in the middle of a fight. Start -> System -> Gameplay -> Difficulty.

On a serious note, how do you make a companion? I thought 'Raulgh' or whatever his name is was my homeboy, but he keeps taking off, lol.

Here's a list of potential followers. The easiest way to get one is simply to follow the main quest through Riverwood to Whiterun. Kill the dragon, become Thane of Whiterun, and buy Breezehome for 5k gold*. Every time you buy a home, it comes with housecarl who will serve as your follower. Even if you prefer to go solo (to maintain stealth, etc.), followers are very useful as pack mules. Buying a home also gives you an "owned" bed you can sleep in for the Well-Rested bonus (+10% skill leveling rate for 8 hours, improved with a spouse to +15%) and safe storage for your loot.

Since it sounds like you're playing as a warrior-type, you'll also want to join the Companions in Whiterun. They're Skyrim's warrior faction. Completing the quest line nets you one of the best 2h Axes in the game, several powerful followers, and free training in Archery, Two-Handed, One-Handed, Block and Heavy Armor.

Also, Yosilda is the best wife... Just FYI.

Nah, bro. Aela's a beast between the sheets.

-Full upgraded glass armor, or thieves guild upgraded armor.
-Chilebrand, upgraded
-bow and arrows for days as my weapon of choice
-necklaces and rings to upgrade my carry weight.

It's how I roll.

If you're crafting it yourself, most types of armor can hit the armor cap (567 displayed, 80% DR). So I went with Elven, since (1) it's the lightest set in the game (a full set only weighs 7 lbs); and (2) it requires the lowest perk point investment to hit the armor cap of any set (2 in Smithing and 3 in Light Armor).

Legendary Elven Bow, Battleaxe, Dagger
Armor capped
Magic resistance capped (85%)
80% Spell Absorption (Atronach perk in Alteration + Atronach Stone)
Enchants are mostly Resist Magic, Stamina Regen, and Carry Weight

If you guys haven't played Morrowind and enjoy Oblivion and Skyrim, you should definitely check it out. It's more challenging since the directions that NPC's give you is all you have to go by and no compass telling you where to go. Sometimes it makes for a real headache finding the locations in the wild but IMO it just adds to the game. Creatures aren't leveled to you but I'm pretty sure are preset, meaning you can't walk into any cave at level 1 and clear it out like in Oblivion.

I wouldn't say that the lack of directional guidance "adds to the game". Fast Travel was a huge improvement to the series. I played Morrowind on PC, and once I figured out the console command to just teleport somewhere, my enjoyment of the game increased immensely. If Fast Travel ruins your immersion in Skyrim, just don't use it. Some players rely on the carriage services to get between Holds, and strike out on quests from there.

I never really got into using magic in either Morrowind or Oblivion as I mostly played around a stealth character, but one of the most useful spells they didn't include in Oblivion was Levitate, it allowed for shortcuts scaling mountains, escaping fights, etc.

Bethesda had to cut Levitate from Oblivion (and later, Skyrim) because the cities are instanced. That is, their contents don't load until you enter through one of the city gates, which really cuts down on the resource requirements of the game (which was necessary as Oblivion was the first TES game to be released on consoles). If Levitate was still in the game, you just float over a city wall and see that, well, the city's not really there until you go through a gate.

Another thing that added to difficulty was that the magic bar didn't refill on its own, you had to use potions (or eat ingredients? I haven't played in a long time) to restore magic points.

Yup, no natural Magicka Regen. You had to chug potions in battle, and rest out of battle to recover it. For those who think playing a pure caster in Skyrim is hard, Morrowind would make you cry.

Didn't the enemies scale with the player in the more recent TES games? I think in the older ones you could end up walking into a dungeon that was too advanced and end up getting spanked. I could be wrong there, been awhile since I've played III and prior titles.

That was the biggest problem with Oblivion. Everything in the game leveled with you. So you'd spend days leveling up, and getting better gear, etc., and then you'd walk back into the very first dungeon and get destroyed by bandits wearing full sets of glass and daedric armor. A fan later released something called Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul on PC which fixed most of Oblivion's glaring issues, including this one. Enemies still leveled with the player, but only within a certain range, and according to different zones (the further you traveled from the Imperial City, the nastier the enemies got). So the bandits in that very first dungeon would be level 5 at the beginning of the game, but would top out at 10-15 if you came back later. Conversely, if you immediately traveled to an Ayleid ruin on the fringe of the map at a low level, you'd probably get one-shot by an Ancient Vampire inside. Totally fixed the game.

Bethesda hired that guy, and he incorporated the same type of thing in Skyrim. Though since the cities in Skyrim are somewhat decentalized, enemies get nastier at higher elevations. So if you run straight to the top of a mountain as a level 1 noob, you're liable to get stomped by a Frost Troll or something. Giants have a static level (30, I think) from the very start, etc.

You can be a strictly weapons type warrior if you want, but the beauty of TES is that you're not confined by any one type of build. You can specialize in one area, be a jack of all trades, or anything and everything in between. I will say that some schools of magic will behoove you if you practice them from time to time. For instance, I find that keeping a low level heal spell handy will save you lots of gold long term. Spells that increase your defense can also be handy. Theres plenty of other spells that can really change the way a battle plays out. For instance, a couple Frenzy spells in a bandit dungeon will cause them to beat each other up, mass chaos! A pure mage player is tough to play for beginners, but it can be really fun playing with spell combinations to see what you're capable of. Illusion and Alteration spells are particularly entertaining....mmmm...Paralyze.

I've found Magic to be sort of "all or nothing" in Skyrim. Casting most spells requires (1) a large Magicka pool; (2) Cost-reducing perks; and/or (3) Cost-reducing enchantments on your gear. A Warrior-type isn't likely to have any of those things. I suppose a melee fighter could level Restoration enough to be able to use Close Wounds in battle, but other than that, the whole "spellsword" concept is hard to execute well, at least on higher difficulty levels.

Morrowind was pretty bad ass. Its been so long since I've played it, I'm not sure I can really compare it to the more recent TES games. I do know that I heavily modded it after I completed the first play through. I remember that you could create some crazy magic items in that game , like a ring that let you run really fast and also float/fly through the air...awesome for traveling. I do remember Morrowind had all those different Dark Elf houses you could belong to, I enjoyed those quest lines.

For those playing Skyrim on PC, some ambitious modders are in the process of completely recreating Morrowind within Skyrim. I'd be all over that if I had a decent machine.

*If you drop all your money in a container right after you select the dialogue to buy a home, you'll still get the key, but can recover all your gold afterward.
 
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Nah, bro. Aela's a beast between the sheets.

:laugh: Reps.

It's worth noting too that Aela caps at level 50, while most followers you encounter in the game cap at level 30 roughly, so that's an added benefit to having her. Housecarls also cap at 50, along with other members of the Companion's Circle, and Serena from the Dawnguard DLC. J'zargo from the College of Winterhold has the ability to reach level 81 for whatever reason.

Mjoll the Lioness is also a great follower to have as she's marked essential and therefore can't die. She's pretty tough in her own right as well.

Damn, I haven't reinstalled Skyrim since I rebuilt my PC....might have to get to work.
 
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I'm starting to feel like 'Jarl Ulfric Stormcloak' is a big doucher, and I don't want to fight for stormcloaks anymore.

How do you break allegiances, and who can I possibly join?
 

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I'm starting to feel like 'Jarl Ulfric Stormcloak' is a big doucher, and I don't want to fight for stormcloaks anymore.

How do you break allegiances, and who can I possibly join?

well he's kind of a white supremacist so yeah, he's a doucher.

I don't know if you can break allegiances. Depends on how far you are into being a stormcloak.
 
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