Silly Season 2015/2016 (Coaching Changes)
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This is probably more appropriate here.
Houston coach Tom Herman to Texas is 'all but official' report says | NOLA.com
Houston coach Tom Herman to Texas is 'all but official' report says | NOLA.com
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Fun Fact. Tom Herman kisses each one of his football players on the cheek pre-game.
“How do you motivate a human being to do things against his own nature?” Herman said in an interview. “There’s two things: love and fear. And to me, love wins every time.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/s...ugars-tom-herman-kiss-macho-culture.html?_r=0
“How do you motivate a human being to do things against his own nature?” Herman said in an interview. “There’s two things: love and fear. And to me, love wins every time.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/s...ugars-tom-herman-kiss-macho-culture.html?_r=0
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Wonder what flavor of lip gloss he uses?
ACamp1900
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Not saying it won't happen, but this does remind me of how Saban to Texas was all but official also...
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If true, this would be a perfect marriage.
Ndaccountant
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It's not love unless you use your tongue.
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Lord knows mines not!
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While I really like Herman, we all should realize that he's now lost to Navy and SMU in the same season, with the same team that was considered a playoff contender. We'd be driving over, reversing, driving back over, reversing, on and on, if that was at ND. So I do think now is a good time for refreshing perspective.
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The fact that they were even a playoff contender is what makes him special.
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Can't say I think its even close. One was coming from a football power with a tremendous amount of control over his program to make, a lateral move. Herman is making quite a large leap from Houston to Texas, having never been a successful HC at a big time P5 program before. Very different scenarios. This is far more likely.
Bama > Texas (currently)
Texas >>>>>>>>>>Houston (basically always)
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Its still a fairly significant underperformance, is it not?
Wouldn't this be the exact thing we have questioned Kelly over. Playing close/losing the games we should dominate to inferior opponents.
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Yes and no. More so that Texas is wooing another team's coach in the middle of the season (and the boosters are prolly doing so with little couth); but Houston =/= Bama, so I don't see it ending the same way. He gone.
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Agreed. This wasn't a quick turn around of a nobody. Sumlin had them knocking on the door and they fired Herman's predecessor because he wasn't meeting expectations (3 years in, 21 - 17 record).
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Isn't Houston's talent on par with teams like SMU? If so, the fact that they're what, like 16-3 in the last 2 years is above par. JMO - no details or facts, per the usual.
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Silly Season 2015/2016 (Coaching Changes)
Currently 27th in team recruiting rankings
41st in 2016 after a monster season
91st in 2015
SMU in that frame:
Currently 64th in team recruiting rankings
74th in 2016
81st in 2015
I'd put their talent above SMU, but not by the ridiculous margin you would think.
*It is important to note that Houston is #1 in their conference right now and last year, and never were tops before that (going all the way back to 2003, when they were in CUSA)
Currently 27th in team recruiting rankings
41st in 2016 after a monster season
91st in 2015
SMU in that frame:
Currently 64th in team recruiting rankings
74th in 2016
81st in 2015
I'd put their talent above SMU, but not by the ridiculous margin you would think.
*It is important to note that Houston is #1 in their conference right now and last year, and never were tops before that (going all the way back to 2003, when they were in CUSA)
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koonja
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Thanks for pulling that. The current ranking (27) is irrelevant since they're still in high school. And yeah, their average for the last two classes is 66th. So they're competing against teams with similar talent I'd say.
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To put it into perspective, Deontay Greenberry was their highest rated commit ever.
And anyone who thinks Herman isn't turning chicken sh-t into chicken salad right now is crazy.
To put it into perspective, Deontay Greenberry was their highest rated commit ever.
And anyone who thinks Herman isn't turning chicken sh-t into chicken salad right now is crazy.
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Until Ed Oliver last year...he was a composite 5* Top 10 player nationally
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I think some of the recent fall out at Houston isn't so much Herman but rather Herman's players. They watch ESPN. They read the local papers. They probably realize they are playing for a lame duck coach at this one point. Hard to coach and motivate players when they know you are leaving them behind.
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They had a very good/great year last year but they've lost two games and will probably lose to Louisville later in the year. I'm not sure a 9-3/8-4 (still have to play a good Memphis team on the road) type season is that impressive. It's definitely a good season at Houston but not something I would think makes him a can't miss hire for Texas.
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Let me just say, that I think Herman is a very good coach. I was simply illustrating that they have had two bad losses, in the same season. It was just to give perspective that some really good coaches, lose games they shouldn't. Just happened to Urban as well. Houston's season is a disappointment, as of today, based on what they expected coming into the season. Even if they lose to Oklahoma and win out, they are sitting in a better position, than they are today. And lets be clear, they lost by 22 to SMU. It was 28 -7 at half. They never even had a shot to win that game, accept when it was 0-0 at kickoff. SMU is 3-4.
I look at it as, what was the team expecting going into the season and what transpired. Their season (Houston's) is not as big of fail, as ND is currently undertaking, no doubt about that. But its still a fail, to some degree, as they won't be where they expected to be, when the season kicked off.
I look at it as, what was the team expecting going into the season and what transpired. Their season (Houston's) is not as big of fail, as ND is currently undertaking, no doubt about that. But its still a fail, to some degree, as they won't be where they expected to be, when the season kicked off.
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The thing is they did not just lose to a SMU team that was a 20 + plus underdog and came in with a record 2-4 record, they got crushed!
What I want to look for now is to see how Houston plays out the regular season. If they win their remaining games, which includes Louisville, then excellent job by Herman. If they lose only to Louisville, then still good job by Herman. But, if the team goes into a tail spin and Herman loses control of the season and the team, I would be very cautious hiring him.
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This is what I want to play close attention to. I want to see if Herman can motivate and coach this team to win the remaining games, barring the Louisville game.
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To play devil's advocate, was cincy some conference winning BCS team before Kelly?
That's nice but I want chicken shit to fertilizer to corn to feed, to cow, to beef and steaks my man.
Weis improved the program, Kelly improved the program, next guy needs to be able to finish the job whenever they move on from BK.
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It got hit on by NDdomer2, and I obviously know your logical answer to this already, but it is a funny observation to note that in 2009, your post could have said "The fact that Cincinnati was even a national championship contender is what makes Kelly special."
I still wonder what would have happened if the refs hadn't put that 0:01 back on the clock for Texas... would they have had the balls to put Cincy in the national championship game? Boise and TCU both finished the regular season unbeaten, as well, but neither had been as impressive or as tested as Cincy. Also, Florida's only loss was a convincing defeat at the hands of Bama during conference championship week... would they have given Tebow a shot at redemption, even though Bama had won the first matchup decisively?
Based on what Houston fans are saying, they're laying their disappointment at the feet of the coordinators. Apparently the playcalling against SMU was terrible at best, and has been suspect all year... having been at the UC-Houston game earlier in the year, I can confirm that I was scratching my head at Houston's first-half gameplan that kept UC in the game (and even had UC leading late in the game).
If the Houston fans are right in their criticism, then you can't blame the players for lack of motivation if their lame-duck coach and his coordinators are air-mailing their gameplans, looking at greener pastures.