Sept 9 | Georgia

[woolybug25]

Man that's pathetic. I will feel terrible for the ND players if that is the case. It's supposed to be a big night game with an electric atmosphere and they are going to be audibly booed coming out of their own tunnel. All because people need to make $100 on a ticket. Grow up. It's a joke. I wish there was a way to revoke tickets from people that do this.

That's what is really weird to me. A bunch of Notre Dame graduates with six figure salaries selling their tickets to make a couple hundred bucks. It's #sad.

 

[ResLife Hero]

I am fully expecting 60-40 ND to UGA fans at best. They are coming out in force for this one.

Heard "over 30,000 Georgia fans" on ESPN this morning. It's going to be damn near 50/50 which blows.

 

[GowerND11]

Can I ask why exactly? I guess I can't distinguish why the timing of the game on the schedule would make the punishment different for the penalty.



"good football plays" do not end with a player getting lit up with helmet to helmet contact. Nicco busted into that hole fully loaded with his usual spearing style of play. It was reckless and a penalty to the letter of the law, which I posted below bolded with Nicco's issue on that play.

"No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)

Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:
•Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
• A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
• Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
•Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet"

If you watch the play, I don't see how it is defensible. That is even with not adding the fact that this is Nicco's MO. There are dozens of example on tape of him playing this way. I'm assuming that the refs weren't using his past history in the decision, but if I was a ST coach for an opponent, I would definitely see this in film and let the ref know pregame to watch out for it.

I've just never really been a fan of having something carrying over to a new season. Guy gets a red card in soccer on the last day of the season, he's suspended for the first game (or 3) of the new one? Meh, it's a clean slate IMO so therefore that shouldn't carry over.

Now if, for instance, there was something heinous such as a brawl, yes I can see suspending a guy for the following year, but not on an enforced penalty/foul.

 

[Free Manera]

That's what is really weird to me. A bunch of Notre Dame graduates with six figure salaries selling their tickets to make a couple hundred bucks. It's #sad.

Exactly. Meanwhile most state school alums with much lower earning capacity would never dream of selling out their school like that.

 

[woolybug25]

I've just never really been a fan of having something carrying over to a new season. Guy gets a red card in soccer on the last day of the season, he's suspended for the first game (or 3) of the new one? Meh, it's a clean slate IMO so therefore that shouldn't carry over.

Now if, for instance, there was something heinous such as a brawl, yes I can see suspending a guy for the following year, but not on an enforced penalty/foul.

Then what would stop people from taking the last game of the season as a "free for all" where they can do whatever they want if it helps their team win?

Also, I still don't understand "why" you think they should get a clean slate. Seems like you think they should get off simply because... well... it doesn't feel right?

 

[snoopdog]

Then what would stop people from taking the last game of the season as a "free for all" where they can do whatever they want if it helps their team win?

Also, I still don't understand "why" you think they should get a clean slate. Seems like you think they should get off simply because... well... it doesn't feel right?

Well it is College ball, and a large percentage of the players are seniors who will never play again....so maybe it would be best to sit out seniors in their last game to prevent heinous acts to help squad win. .........just a thought

 

[GowerND11]

Then what would stop people from taking the last game of the season as a "free for all" where they can do whatever they want if it helps their team win?

Also, I still don't understand "why" you think they should get a clean slate. Seems like you think they should get off simply because... well... it doesn't feel right?

No of course they shouldn't just make it a "free for all." We'll have to disagree with this, but when it's a a penalty/foul that wasn't malicious, not fighting, throwing helmets, etc. it should end at the end of the season to me.

I get not wanting a last game of the season to turn into anarchy, but there's still rules to follow. And if a player acts egregious enough, there's consequences, whether it's thrown out of the game, to fines (professional sports obviously), to school sanctioned discipline.

 

[dublinirish]

I've just never really been a fan of having something carrying over to a new season. Guy gets a red card in soccer on the last day of the season, he's suspended for the first game (or 3) of the new one? Meh, it's a clean slate IMO so therefore that shouldn't carry over.

Now if, for instance, there was something heinous such as a brawl, yes I can see suspending a guy for the following year, but not on an enforced penalty/foul.

generally red cards/suspensions do carry over from one season to the next..

 

[IrishLax]

This is kinda reminding me of Texas last year isn't it? Their OL doesn't appear to be anything special, if not, their weakness. QB is very green. RB' were good.

Does it? or am i off?

Big difference is their defense. Georgia's defense is a top 25 group on paper with potential to be top 10.

 

[NDohio]

That's what is really weird to me. A bunch of Notre Dame graduates with six figure salaries selling their tickets to make a couple hundred bucks. It's #sad.

You would think they would sell them to other ND fans that have a nice income and afford to pay top dollar for a chance to get into this game.

It'll be very disappointing if there are 30k fans in red on Saturday.

 

[woolybug25]

Well it is College ball, and a large percentage of the players are seniors who will never play again....so maybe it would be best to sit out seniors in their last game to prevent heinous acts to help squad win. .........just a thought

Ha... wut?

No of course they shouldn't just make it a "free for all." We'll have to disagree with this, but when it's a a penalty/foul that wasn't malicious, not fighting, throwing helmets, etc. it should end at the end of the season to me.

I get not wanting a last game of the season to turn into anarchy, but there's still rules to follow. And if a player acts egregious enough, there's consequences, whether it's thrown out of the game, to fines (professional sports obviously), to school sanctioned discipline.

How is targeting not a malicious penalty?

I guess I just don't get how you feel like it's worthy of the punishment in other games, just not the final one. It's not very logical.

 

[greyhammer90]

"good football plays" do not end with a player getting lit up with helmet to helmet contact.

Yes they do. You do know what the primary responsibilities of a middle linebacker are in short yardage situations right?

"No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)

You quote the rule but ignore my actual point? The running back was not "defenseless". It doesn't matter that Nico hit him in the head or speared him. That's legal when done on a player who is not defensless. It's a legal hit.

Since we're quoting rules:

Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14):

A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return.
A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
A player on the ground.
A player obviously out of the play.
A player who receives a blind-side block.
A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped.
A quarterback any time after a change of possession.
A ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feet-first

Now tell me which of those categories qualifies in this play:

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[FightingIrishLover7]

Heard "over 30,000 Georgia fans" on ESPN this morning. It's going to be damn near 50/50 which blows.

What the really sad thing is, you know their fans are going to be louder/more rowdy than our white hairs.

 

[ThePiombino]

That's what is really weird to me. A bunch of Notre Dame graduates with six figure salaries selling their tickets to make a couple hundred bucks. It's #sad.

Six-figure salaries = six-figure expenses. MO MONEY MO PROBLEMS. Holla!

 

[woolybug25]

Six-figure salaries = six-figure expenses. MO MONEY MO PROBLEMS. Holla!

YOLO!

 

[NDRock]

Should be a good game. Two programs who consistently recruit well off the field and underperform on it. Neither one of us has many big wins the last 5 years.

 

[IrishLax]

You would think they would sell them to other ND fans that have a nice income and afford to pay top dollar for a chance to get into this game.

It'll be very disappointing if there are 30k fans in red on Saturday.

The problem is that the demand was one-sided. The ones with the money to attend this game already had the tickets, the ones looking for tickets on the secondary market were almost exclusively Georgia fans.

According to my ticket broker friend, many lower bowl tickets sold for over $1k... the only people willing to pay that price were Georgia fans, this game isn't worth that market value to most ND fans.

"30 thousand Georgia fans" would be a touch less than 40% so I think that ESPN is pretty darn close to spot on, and probably doesn't even consider people coming up for the game that will try to scalp.

 

[NorthDakota]

What the really sad thing is, you know their fans are going to be louder/more rowdy than our white hairs.

I dont believe for one second that it'll be 30K. I'm sure there will be a lot of them though. It'll look bad as well since red stands out in a crowd.

 

[woolybug25]

I dont believe for one second that it'll be 30K. I'm sure there will be a lot of them though. It'll look bad as well since red stands out in a crowd.

Ha. That's weird cuz I feel extremely confident that 30k Dawgs will be in the stadium.

I think it will be closer to 40k actually.

 

[GowerND11]

generally red cards/suspensions do carry over from one season to the next..

Yes I know. Sorry if not clear, what I meant was I don't agree with that either. Again people may say what stops someone from a dirty slide tackle in the last game, especially against a rival and stuff, but that's where a fine could/should be imposed if it is deemed malicious.

 

[IrishLax]

Remember, Texas @ ND was something similar with about 30k Texas fans. This is bucket list type stuff for a lot of people, and it's basically unavoidable... it's also why I'd prefer neutral site games with a 50/50 split of tickets over these home-and-homes we've been doing. The Wisconsin series that is a home-and-home away from home is maybe the best model.

 

[ResLife Hero]

What the really sad thing is, you know their fans are going to be louder/more rowdy than our white hairs.

Yeah, I expect to be asked to sit down by the second defensive possession. Seems to happen every time.

 

[Senoj13]

30K sounds high to me. But what's interesting is that there were no tickets available for this game during the single game sale on und.com. So all of these tickets other than the school's allotment have to be coming from season ticket holders or alumni who got this game through the lottery. Correct?

 

[GowerND11]

Ha... wut?



How is targeting not a malicious penalty?

I guess I just don't get how you feel like it's worthy of the punishment in other games, just not the final one. It's not very logical.

He's already getting ejected from the game. I also think targeting is more grey than the rules interpret as greyhammer, I think, agrees with. To me, targeting does not equal malicious in all cases. A middle ground, would be the ability to appeal the suspension on the grounds of a review after the game.

Again, I feel many times guys are unfairly called for targeting when, in reality, the ball carrier dips his own head into the path of the defender. I also think slow motion makes hits look more malicious than they are in real time. Vicious hits? No doubt, but not malicious.

 

[snoopdog]

Ha... wut?



How is targeting not a malicious penalty?

I guess I just don't get how you feel like it's worthy of the punishment in other games, just not the final one. It's not very logical.

Just being facetious. Apologies....


And Targeting is a malicious penalty. and a costly penalty (15 yds and automatic first down and expulsion). Meaning coaches are going to fully address this every day in practice.

If a player was targeting heads as part of his tackling, he would never see the field, especially a fringe player like Nicco. And on this particular tackle, the head to head was CLEARLY 100% incidental. It's football....incidental helmet collisions will happen. There is no way to avoid it, even if they removed helmets, head to head contact will happen.

Referees got that particular call wrong....it happens...no big deal. BUT the NO calls against Notre Dame last year on Kizer were absolutely egregious, but still incidental. really just my opinion.....and FWIW....... actual targeting has dropped off to basically zero in college football today. You never see a kid lead with the crown of his helmet on a tackle.

 

[greyhammer90]

Yeah, I expect to be asked to sit down by the second defensive possession. Seems to happen every time.

People say this, but I've been to plenty of games at ND, and stood for pretty much the entire time, and have never once been asked to sit down. Maybe it's because I can't afford the good seats and am sitting with the other Subway alumni but I've always had a pretty good experience.

 

[koonja]

The ISD guys were asked who from our roster would start for Georgia.

They basically said our entire OL, Wimbush, and ESB on offense. That's pretty dang good.

On defense, only Daelin Hayes at OLB. That gives you some perspective of what type of defense we're looking at Saturday.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Remember, Texas @ ND was something similar with about 30k Texas fans. This is bucket list type stuff for a lot of people, and it's basically unavoidable... it's also why I'd prefer neutral site games with a 50/50 split of tickets over these home-and-homes we've been doing. The Wisconsin series that is a home-and-home away from home is maybe the best model.

I, for one, can't stand neutral site games. I would love to see a ND, Texas, USC, Michigan type home and home for my Tide. And fans that sell their tickets to these type games are pretty low in my book. I understand the supply/demand that can cause the prices for such marquee matchups to go sky high but as a purist, what better way to enjoy CFB than to see great games that could be talked about for years?

edit: and then announce Miami in 2021 in Atlanta. Damn.

 

[ResLife Hero]

People say this, but I've been to plenty of games at ND, and stood for pretty much the entire time, and have never once been asked to sit down. Maybe it's because I can't afford the good seats and am sitting with the other Subway alumni but I've always had a pretty good experience.

I'm also a pretty broad 6'4" which probably doesn't help my case, but I've been asked/yelled at to sit down at 75% of the games I've been to since graduating. Especially frustrating on 3rd downs when the stadium really should be loud. Glad you haven't had that though. Gives me hope going into the weekend.

 

[GowerND11]

I think one of the major problems with selling tickets is we have many jaded fans that see it as their way to stick it to the university, athletic department, and/or BK. It's almost satisfying to them if we lose because it justifies their argument while providing material for their agenda and money in their pockets.