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tussin said:
I’ve heard Fleming is a disappointment.
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Local kid from area, he has been injured his entire time... He is fully healthy and has not been a disappointment this camp... You'll see but hopefully after the ND game
 
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TIFWIW.........Was listening to Phil Steele yesterday. He doesn't think OSU is as heavy a favorite as the point spread indicates. Thinks the Irish could steal a win. Really likes Buchner.
 
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PANDFAN said:
Local kid from area, he has been injured his entire time... He is fully healthy and has not been a disappointment this camp... You'll see but hopefully after the ND game
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That's good to hear -- I live about 30 minutes away from Southern Columbia and was pumped to see a small PA school put out a national recruit like that.
 
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tOSU is going to make Buchner prove that he can throw the ball. If Rees tries to come out doing run/spread option stuff they tried with TB last year, we're going three and out until we switch it up. And by then it could be too late, playing from behind in a hostile environment.

IMO you have to come out and immediately establish that you can stretch the field. Styles outside the hashes. Lenzy over the top. If drive number one is, at minimum, enough to change the field position game before punting the ball back while also establishing that Buchner can sling it, that will be massive. Once you can keep their defense honest, ND can strike with a more balanced gameplan with Mayer and the run game.

My fear is that we receive the opening kickoff, run for no gain, run for one yard, then sacked or a short screen throw on third and long and we punt giving them great field position and a frenzied crowd. Going down 7-0 right away and having nothing established is a death sentence.

You only win this game by staying ahead of the chains, ahead of the score, ahead of the field position game. Methodical. Keep their offense off the field. Frustrate them by giving yourself third and short and converting.

Also, us fans are all wearing green right? Feels like that has become the consensus color in recent years.
 
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AgentJ said:
tOSU is going to make Buchner prove that he can throw the ball. If Rees tries to come out doing run/spread option stuff they tried with TB last year, we're going three and out until we switch it up. And by then it could be too late, playing from behind in a hostile environment.

IMO you have to come out and immediately establish that you can stretch the field. Styles outside the hashes. Lenzy over the top. If drive number one is, at minimum, enough to change the field position game before punting the ball back while also establishing that Buchner can sling it, that will be massive. Once you can keep their defense honest, ND can strike with a more balanced gameplan with Mayer and the run game.

My fear is that we receive the opening kickoff, run for no gain, run for one yard, then sacked or a short screen throw on third and long and we punt giving them great field position and a frenzied crowd. Going down 7-0 right away and having nothing established is a death sentence.

You only win this game by staying ahead of the chains, ahead of the score, ahead of the field position game. Methodical. Keep their offense off the field. Frustrate them by giving yourself third and short and converting.

Also, us fans are all wearing green right? Feels like that has become the consensus color in recent years.
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Maybe your fear is rooted in past play calling when Kelly still had a strong say in what was called. We might see Buchner go all "Kizer to Fuller USC" on the first play.
 
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AgentJ said:
My fear is that we receive the opening kickoff, run for no gain, run for one yard, then sacked or a short screen throw on third and long and we punt giving them great field position and a frenzied crowd. Going down 7-0 right away and having nothing established is a death sentence.
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My fear would be this.... but we burn a timeout before we get our first play off.
 
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Oregon ran for 269 and Michigan ran for 297. We definitely need to show a pass threat but even with a coaching change, OSU is soft against the run till proven otherwise.

Running into a wall would definitely be deflating for us. But running wild would have OSU seeing ghosts on defense again. I guess we’ll see.

Run, pass - Why not both in the end?
 
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AgentJ said:
tOSU is going to make Buchner prove that he can throw the ball. If Rees tries to come out doing run/spread option stuff they tried with TB last year, we're going three and out until we switch it up. And by then it could be too late, playing from behind in a hostile environment.

IMO you have to come out and immediately establish that you can stretch the field. Styles outside the hashes. Lenzy over the top. If drive number one is, at minimum, enough to change the field position game before punting the ball back while also establishing that Buchner can sling it, that will be massive. Once you can keep their defense honest, ND can strike with a more balanced gameplan with Mayer and the run game.

My fear is that we receive the opening kickoff, run for no gain, run for one yard, then sacked or a short screen throw on third and long and we punt giving them great field position and a frenzied crowd. Going down 7-0 right away and having nothing established is a death sentence.

You only win this game by staying ahead of the chains, ahead of the score, ahead of the field position game. Methodical. Keep their offense off the field. Frustrate them by giving yourself third and short and converting.

Also, us fans are all wearing green right? Feels like that has become the consensus color in recent years.
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I think the key for ND over the recent years has been ”committing“ to the run. So I’m not opposed to what you’re laying out here but if ND’s best bet to compete is via the run…they need to commit to the run (i.e., 40+ carries). Yes that will mean some frustrating drives early on and some 4th & shorts that get stuffed but if the OL is truly ND’s strength & tOSU’s D is truly their weakness (how weak we really don’t know), then they must “commit” to the run or it’s going to be like you said:

1st down…run for no gain
2nd down…run for minimal gain
3rd & long…short pass for no gain or worse
4th down…punt giving tOSU great field position
 
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IRISHDODGER said:
I think the key for ND over the recent years has been ”committing“ to the run. So I’m not opposed to what you’re laying out here but if ND’s best bet to compete is via the run…they need to commit to the run (i.e., 40+ carries). Yes that will mean some frustrating drives early on and some 4th & shorts that get stuffed but if the OL is truly ND’s strength & tOSU’s D is truly their weakness (how weak we really don’t know), then they must “commit” to the run or it’s going to be like you said:

1st down…run for no gain
2nd down…run for minimal gain
3rd & long…short pass for no gain or worse
4th down…punt giving tOSU great field position
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I agree. But you'd have to imagine tOSU's last 8 months have been dedicated to stopping the run. Every workout they've been reminded. It's been drilled into them. Now you have a new QB making his first start in this sort of environment that the team was scared to outright throw the ball with last season. Their gameplay will be to dedicate all of their resources to stopping the run and bringing pressure to speed up Buchner. All it takes is a few throws to let them know they can't just play downhill for 60 minutes.
 
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Irish#1 said:
Maybe your fear is rooted in past play calling when Kelly still had a strong say in what was called. We might see Buchner go all "Kizer to Fuller USC" on the first play.
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But Rees said it wasn’t this way.
 
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Kamryn Babb out for the year with knee injury. Was expected to be their fourth WR. From the posts I've seen, not a big loss, but they're crushed for the kid as he's had injuries his whole career.
 
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Kamryn Babb out for the year with knee injury. Was expected to be their fourth WR. From the posts I've seen, not a big loss, but they're crushed for the kid as he's had injuries his whole career.
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It’d be surprised if they were even counting on Babb to be second string, definitely deeper than 4th.

Jeremiyah Love’s HS by coincidence
 
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Kamryn Babb out for the year with knee injury. Was expected to be their fourth WR. From the posts I've seen, not a big loss, but they're crushed for the kid as he's had injuries his whole career.
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Dale said:
It’d be surprised if they were even counting on Babb to be second string, definitely deeper than 4th.

Jeremiyah Love’s HS by coincidence
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That's like 4 ACL injuries over 4 years for that kid, and I think to both knees at different times.

That sucks, big time. Birm said he had been flashing in practice since getting fully healthy, too.
 
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Wild Bill said:
Styles looks like he'll be a really good player, maybe even great, and he may be a better college receiver than Harrison and Fleming by the time he graduates but I have no reason to believe he'd start over Fleming or Harrison right now. That's just one idiot's opinion
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Maybe not. I think he'd probably share reps at least though. What's the best defense those guys faced last year, Michigan? As good as OSU's WRs were last year, neither of those two Buckeyes saw any targets in that game, and possibly no action outside of special teams reps. Against the #2 DFEI OSU Cowboys Styles had as much or more yards than either of those guys had all season, and for all of 2021 he was more productive than both guys combined. He really didn't start seeing action till after the BYE. Harrison and Fleming's production will certainly go up this season even as they will give up most of the catches to Smith-Njigba, but Styles will be our #1 and quite possibly with surpass Fleming and Harrison on a tougher schedule. I think he'd play his way into a lot of action even in that impressive WR group for tOSU.
 
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Man, this Patterson injury whispers is really darkening up my green tinted glasses.
 
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I agree. But you'd have to imagine tOSU's last 8 months have been dedicated to stopping the run. Every workout they've been reminded. It's been drilled into them. Now you have a new QB making his first start in this sort of environment that the team was scared to outright throw the ball with last season. Their gameplay will be to dedicate all of their resources to stopping the run and bringing pressure to speed up Buchner. All it takes is a few throws to let them know they can't just play downhill for 60 minutes.
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I'm with you here. Especially with Patterson out now. Gotta come out off schedule and in a hurry. Come out swinging. Nothing takes a crowd out like the road team moving the chains or hitting a bomb in the first few plays. Knock the wind out of their sails, ala Kizee to Fuller or Holiday to battle 2002.
 
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Zig when others zag baby. Everyone and their mothers thinks ND should play as a very methodical, run-controlled offense to both play to our strengths and limit the OSU offense… especially with how mobile Buchner is.

And that’s not to say we shouldn’t, but it’s what OSU will expect and be prepared for. Imagine hitting on some shots early and switching to RPO after being up 7-14 when we have them on their heels, not knowing what to expect.
 
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Perfect play is a first down run by Estime up the guts, pound them early so they know it’s going to be a long day for the front 7. Second down hard fake to Estime before rolling out to the right throwing a deep corner pass to styles or Lenzy, that way if you don’t connect you still have third down to get a chain moving QB run or pass to Mayer to keep the drive going.
 
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If they can lose 1 of their 2 best WRs and one of their most explosive RBs and one of their most experienced and developed OL, then we'll call it even. But they better hurry, there are only a couple weeks before we play.
 
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