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Or if Notre Dame had a different and more experienced offensive coordinator we win that game.

People used to dump on Kelly for holding the offense back while we now know it’s Tommy that’s holding the offense back
Shhhhhhhhhh. Wrong speak. Blame the oline, nothing else.
 

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After sleeping on it — no snap judgments until we see if they can fix the OL. The OL was just so bad I don’t know how you evaluate the other players.

I was very confident in Alt, Fisher, and Patterson. I was a skeptic on Correll and Lugg is who he is. Without Patterson you basically have two good bookends with three guys in the middle who can’t get any push in the run game and just ole most interior pass rushers. Need to move Patterson back to center and then trial Kristofic/Spindler/freshmen until you find who works. If we can’t run the ball, then we are screwed because Buchner has a 0% chance of winning games chucking it all over the field like Tommy would do with Coan or another real pocket passer. ND is a 6-8 win team if they can’t run the ball.

It’ll look fixed vs Marshall. Our schedule is pretty much crap until November 5 with the exception of a mediocre BYU
 

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After sleeping on it — no snap judgments until we see if they can fix the OL. The OL was just so bad I don’t know how you evaluate the other players.

I was very confident in Alt, Fisher, and Patterson. I was a skeptic on Correll and Lugg is who he is. Without Patterson you basically have two good bookends with three guys in the middle who can’t get any push in the run game and just ole most interior pass rushers. Need to move Patterson back to center and then trial Kristofic/Spindler/freshmen until you find who works. If we can’t run the ball, then we are screwed because Buchner has a 0% chance of winning games chucking it all over the field like Tommy would do with Coan or another real pocket passer. ND is a 6-8 win team if they can’t run the ball.
Yep... what really hurt was the 3rd down conversions. The Irish pretty much matched YPP last night. Also, not enough outs and slants that should have come later in the third and in the fourth quarters. The pressure was on throughout the 2nd half. Rees should have shortened up the routes and run a couple of draws/screens to relieve the pressure.
 

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After sleeping on it — no snap judgments until we see if they can fix the OL. The OL was just so bad I don’t know how you evaluate the other players.

I was very confident in Alt, Fisher, and Patterson. I was a skeptic on Correll and Lugg is who he is. Without Patterson you basically have two good bookends with three guys in the middle who can’t get any push in the run game and just ole most interior pass rushers. Need to move Patterson back to center and then trial Kristofic/Spindler/freshmen until you find who works. If we can’t run the ball, then we are screwed because Buchner has a 0% chance of winning games chucking it all over the field like Tommy would do with Coan or another real pocket passer. ND is a 6-8 win team if they can’t run the ball.
The one play that sticks out is Sawyer (maybe Eichenberg) came screaming up the middle untouched while Lugg double teamed with Fisher. Buchner still in his drop when he gets crushed. The worst of it was Lugg’s back was nearly showing to the gaping hole that was left so he never even attempted to put a hand up. I’m not even sure he saw him on what looked to be a pretty simple blitz.
 

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The play calling was sad.. we weren’t establishing a run until TB proved he could throw the ball & our OL wasn’t giving him time.

So instead of throwing screens or quick outs/slants we try QB runs.. We needed to establish a passing game to open up the run..
Outside of no screens I think Tommy called what he did because of the O line play, particularly the middle. Patterson was sorely missed. Maybe Lugg plays better with Patterson next to him? Lugg let two guys come through pretty much untouched. Moving Patterson back to C might be needed.
 

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After sleeping on it — no snap judgments until we see if they can fix the OL. The OL was just so bad I don’t know how you evaluate the other players.

I was very confident in Alt, Fisher, and Patterson. I was a skeptic on Correll and Lugg is who he is. Without Patterson you basically have two good bookends with three guys in the middle who can’t get any push in the run game and just ole most interior pass rushers. Need to move Patterson back to center and then trial Kristofic/Spindler/freshmen until you find who works. If we can’t run the ball, then we are screwed because Buchner has a 0% chance of winning games chucking it all over the field like Tommy would do with Coan or another real pocket passer. ND is a 6-8 win team if they can’t run the ball.
I felt exactly this way last night. The tackles were fine—Blake was a little Rusty—but the interior OL was abysmal.
 

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It’ll look fixed vs Marshall. Our schedule is pretty much crap until November 5 with the exception of a mediocre BYU
Yeah gonna be like last year where amazing offensive improvement 100% correlates to shit defenses. Until clemson time
 

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Kinda beginning to look like correll can’t play at this level and his holding up against bama in the covid season was a mirage
 

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3rd & 16 & we’re running a QB draw give up play,. It was stuff like that all night.

Not one single offensive drive looked commanding.

alright. I’m taking my drunk ass to bed.
Yep, at least arm punt it there and pray for a PI.

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This is one of those games where I’m getting more pissed off the more time goes on and I think about the fact that we couldn’t score a single point in the second half and everyone did everything they could possible to win that game besides Tommy Rees. If someone said at halftime all you have to do to win this major game is score 12 points in the second half and it’s all yours and instead we score 0. We all knew they were going to put up some points in the second half so choosing not to find a way to get some points spelled certain loss. You couldn’t ask for anything more than what Al Golden did last night. He’s phenomenal.
 
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Even though the offense choked it shows that a positive coach can be good at ND. The tackling until they got tired was damn good. The defense was pretty fast overall. No way with Kelly is it this close of a game. And special teams has to put the team in better Field position.
 

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Yep, at least arm punt it there and pray for a PI.

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A little surprised teams don’t have “PI” play in their book. Maybe some do but definitely one where it’s ‘go long’ and the WRs job is to draw the PI.
 

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So we giving Stuckey a pass bc the OL is weak and most of the receivers who played aren’t that good?
 

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Sounds about right. He can only work with what he's got. As long as he gets some talent in, he gets a pass for this group. My opinion
It’s probably not Stuckey’s fault but that play at the end of the 2nd Quarter when Buchner threw deep down the sideline but Lenzy ran a comeback was oof. That was our shot and if they connect it might’ve been points.
 

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It’s probably not Stuckey’s fault but that play at the end of the 2nd Quarter when Buchner threw deep down the sideline but Lenzy ran a comeback was oof. That was our shot and if they connect it might’ve been points.
Not saying he’s the difference between winning and losing this game but this is the type of game Avery Davis was missed.
 

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Stuckey gets a pass this whole year as far as im concerned
I’d like to see some improvement among the receivers, especially since Del was so lacking in developing receiver skills. I get that it isn’t all going to happen by week one, though. The players aren’t world beaters but they can become more effective, it’s not like we don’t have 2020 level players on the roster right now.
 

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Kinda beginning to look like correll can’t play at this level and his holding up against bama in the covid season was a mirage
"At this level"
Well, most front 7s aren't at this level.
I agree he may not be tier 1 level, but I'm confident he'll have a good year. Especially if Patterson is next to him
 

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I’d like to see some improvement among the receivers, especially since Del was so lacking in developing receiver skills. I get that it isn’t all going to happen by week one, though. The players aren’t world beaters but they can become more effective, it’s not like we don’t have 2020 level players on the roster right now.
Matt Salerno caught a 29 yard pass in a tight game at OSU. Improvement level achieved.

Lol
 

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"At this level"
Well, most front 7s aren't at this level.
I agree he may not be tier 1 level, but I'm confident he'll have a good year. Especially if Patterson is next to him
Every team in the playoffs will be 'at this level'.

They need better performance, s&c, toughness and attitude or they will keep getting slaughtered against playoff teams.
There is no excuse. They have the talent. Miami and FSU stacked the line against the Holtz teams. They did fine.
 

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So listening to the press conference the game plan was to slow play the offense. After watching the game that what they came up with. And that’s what Freeman wanted. So they self admitted to themselves that the offense wasn’t good enough.
 

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So listening to the press conference the game plan was to slow play the offense. After watching the game that what they came up with. And that’s what Freeman wanted. So they self admitted to themselves that the offense wasn’t good enough.
I firmly believe that this has been part of the issue most of the times we compete against these top teams over the past 5-10 years.

With how electric some of these offenses can be (OSU, Clemson of years past, etc), it makes sense to game manage, try to control time of possession, and limit their potential. But we consistently overcommit to this and become too predictable.
 

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So listening to the press conference the game plan was to slow play the offense. After watching the game that what they came up with. And that’s what Freeman wanted. So they self admitted to themselves that the offense wasn’t good enough.
No shit? Anybody that thought we it would be a solid gameplan to lineup and try to go toe to toe offensively with OSU is either on crack or needs their head examined. I view it positively that they have a self awareness of where the teams strengths and weaknesses are and game planned to it. Its called good coaching. Our offensive talent is limited and inexperienced, anybody expecting otherwise at this point in time is kidding themselves. Our gameplan gave us the best chance to win…fact.
 

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One of the key plays of the game. Notre Dame up 10-7 with 12 minutes to go in the 3rd. Notre Dame has 3rd and 11 at the OSU 36. They had Mayer and Styles stacked to the left and Thomas and Lenzy wide right and Buchner tried to force the ball in to Lenzy. If he looks left, the play was designed perfectly and Styles had trailed Mayer up the seam then slanted in and broke open. If Buch looks that way and hits him in stride it is minimally a first down if not a 20+ yard gain that almost guarantees more points and potentially changes the trajectory of the 2nd half.

Rewatching the game, the playcalling wasn’t wide open, but it wasn’t nearly as bad as it appeared on first watch. There were plays to be had but players didnt execute. Estime missed the hole a couple times and turned what could be have 5-7 yard gains on early downs into stuffs too. Buchner when flushed had a few one on ones down the sideline where he just needs to just put the ball up and trust his guys to make a play on 3rd down from the midfield area.
Maybe your guy makes a play, maybe draws a PI or worst case it gets picked and OSU is backed up around their own 20 anyhow.

This team will get better as the game slows down for them some and they see these missed opportunities better.
 
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