The top student at every school could get into ND. This isn’t unique to Ohio state. I would not call Ohio State an “excellent school”. It’s a good school. Not excellent. Just for reference, Georgia is ranked higher.
No one is saying ND isn’t a more prestigious school, I’m just saying the difference is overplayed. The statistics you cite are fair game, but they also are a narrow measure relating only to admissions. I’m not here to bash ND, I’d have gone there if I didn’t have some much fun in HS. For the record, I pull for Michigan in that game - if you spent 15 years in CBUS you’d do the same! 😂
Not to get in the middle of this argument, but I've always felt that to be accepted as a non athlete at ND might be slightly harder than a good bit of public universities, some are probably just as difficult. However, I have always felt there are very few schools who make it harder than ND for athletes to to get accepted.
Yikes, nothing like facts to refute a faulty argument. To not think ND is better than oSU is mind blowing. Once the two pac schools are in, OSU would be tied for 6th in just the Big 10. Ouch.
It’s not even the best school in the state of Ohio. Case Western is ranked higher.
But that's only considering facts right? Seems a little overblown
Are you joking?
| Notre Dame | Ohio State | |
| Acceptance Rate | 19% | 68% |
| SAT | 1400-1550 | 1210-1430 |
| ACT | 32-35 | 26-32 |
My apologies, I wasn't speaking to the ND vs. OSU (should have put that in there). I was talking more like ND vs the likes of UM, UCLAs, Cals, UNCs (the higher prestige academic schools).
Not saying you’re doing it, but statements like “CEO v Hello, Domino’s”, while actually funny, are overplayed and aren’t at all reflective of alumni outcomes. It’s just a bad look if it seems like ND fans and alums actually believe the sentiments - which it frequently does. It comes off as petty and insecure. The more it gets pressed, the worse it looks. My family went to all the prestigious Catholic prep schools in Chicago, so, to a degree, I get the pride — but at times it seems to breed a false sense of superiority, which is sad.
Guys, no one is saying that ND is not the more prestigious school. Sheesh. It’s just not necessary to remind your opponents of it — it’s ok to acknowledge there are other good schools out there. This is the type of hyper-reactivity that seems petty. Let’s turn the page . . .
Or the couch burning contest
Now you're bringing West Virginia into it for no reason.
And this is largely a consequence of geography. Their acceptance rate is disproportionately lower than NDs controlling for GPA and test scores due to the fact that they get a ton of applicants as UC schools in high demand locales.
The McVolunteers would be favorites by a wide margin, no?
Great minds brother.
Ok, my last take on the subject, because I honestly don’t think it’s healthy. The whole “at your level” type thinking doesn’t cross anyone’s mind, ever — at least I hope it doesn’t. I have several ND alums in my personal and professional life (law), they are for the most part kind, conscientious, and highly intelligent people. That said, I’ve have not observed a shred of difference between them and the majority of OSU grads I know — who tend to be equal on all scores. I grant you that the students at ND tend to be higher achievers ages 15-18, at least conventionally — but as a fully grown adult those adolescent differences seem comically insignificant now, when it actually matters. I will grant you one more — I think ND alums tend to be more socially concerned/aware, which I attribute to the Catholic culture. I definitely wish we had more of that when I was at OSU.
Yeah, that joke was me ans I was totally joking. Just having some fun, brother, based on the shirt OSU was putting out. I am sure there are a ton of intelligent, good people graduating from OSU, like yourself. Didn't mean to offend, just message board antics having fun responding to the dumb OSU shirt, lol.
All good, I laughed. Trust me, no one likes watching OSU football lose more than me.
Me too, my friend. My three most hated teams are OSU, Michigan, and Alabama. How about the rest of you? Maybe I will make this into its own thread if it lets me.
It would depend on the degree program, wouldn't it?
Bingo. ND fans are sensitive to this because we're close to breaking into the top tier that OSU has occupied for the last decade or two, our academics are legitimately superior, and yet our rivals frequently straight-up lie about that to recruit against us.
In your case, yes. But how many 18yos are set on such a super specific degree that ND doesn't even offer?
The guys who get to a big-time program and produce on the field can often dine out on that for the rest of their lives. But that's true at every big-time program, there aren't a lot of them, and even that is usually a more provincial and limited sort of "success" compared to what many of our student athletes end up doing after graduation.
Yes, ND's FGR, particularly for minority athletes, is significantly higher than OSU's.
I generally agree with this. I think both of our statements can be true.
Right well my degree is from OSU's College of Engineering, which USNWR says is "better" than ND. So do I get to claim my degree is better or not?
