Sept 23 | Ohio State

[Some Irish Bloke]

“Time outs are not like cell phone minutes. They don’t roll over into the next half”

"MAKE PLAYS!"

"PUCKER, PUCKER, PUCKER!!!"

haha classic

 

[GoldenAura]

There is a big gulf between the perception of Ohio State (offense isn't as good as past years // not physical in the trenches) and what many of the "experts" think (OSU is one of the two or three most complete teams in the country and has an underrated defense full of NFL talent).

I'm still a little skeptical on the ND defense and ND OL, and I think best case scenario is something like ND 31 Ohio State 27. I can't see ND winning a blowout and I think there is a solid chance that Ohio State wins something like 38-17 with ND not being able to hit the big plays they've been feasting on through four weeks.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

My head says OSU is the only fan base that hates scUM as much as we do so we should be like eskimo bros.

My heart says fuck everyone but ND.

 

[PutuporShutup]

living in PA, i would go to PSU games occasionally with a buddy(in high school) who's family had season tickets...the opposing team fans were in the upper upper deck at the very top of the stadium...it didn't matter how many they had, you weren't going to hear them....it's no wonder PSU has such a great home atmosphere not to mention, their fans aren't selling their tickets

As amazing as a Penn State game day is (If a white out) it's not a bucket list item for many like ND is. Plus, all of penn states big games are pretty much in conference, so those teams are there all the time.

Ohio State, Nebraska, Clemson, Georgia have hardly played at ND.

 

[greyhammer90]

There is a big gulf between the perception of Ohio State (offense isn't as good as past years // not physical in the trenches) and what many of the "experts" think (OSU is one of the two or three most complete teams in the country and has an underrated defense full of NFL talent).

I'm still a little skeptical on the ND defense and ND OL, and I think best case scenario is something like ND 31 Ohio State 27. I can't see ND winning a blowout and I think there is a solid chance that Ohio State wins something like 38-17 with ND not being able to hit the big plays they've been feasting on through four weeks.

Not trying to argue because I'm probably predicting a close loss, but I think it's more likely that this turns into a Clemson last year than them beating us by 3 touchdowns. Why would our defense be so much worse that we'd give up 17 more points at home against a team without CJ Stroud?

 

[PutuporShutup]

There is a big gulf between the perception of Ohio State (offense isn't as good as past years // not physical in the trenches) and what many of the "experts" think (OSU is one of the two or three most complete teams in the country and has an underrated defense full of NFL talent).

I'm still a little skeptical on the ND defense and ND OL, and I think best case scenario is something like ND 31 Ohio State 27. I can't see ND winning a blowout and I think there is a solid chance that Ohio State wins something like 38-17 with ND not being able to hit the big plays they've been feasting on through four weeks.

IF something like 38-17 happens it means two coaches players are the reason behind it IMO. WR and DL. If we give up 38 points it's most likely due to not getting pressure on McCord, and Washington can find a new job. IF we only score 17, it's most likely due to our WRs not able to make 1-1 plays (they will be 1-1 a TON saturday night) and Stuckey should be on the hot seat due to development if they can't make plays.

Our DL would be regressing under washington (can't happen) and our WRs wouldn't be developing under Stuckey (needs to be assessed why).

Again, these are the two position groups that concern me the most, and I have hopes they have been somewhat contained a bit on purpose and will have good nights.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Not trying to argue because I'm probably predicting a close loss, but I think it's more likely that this turns into a Clemson last year than them beating us by 3 touchdowns. Why would our defense be so much worse that we'd give up 17 more points at home against a team without CJ Stroud?

If ND tries to defend them the same way then OSU has had a lot more time to prepare for it this time around.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Not trying to argue because I'm probably predicting a close loss, but I think it's more likely that this turns into a Clemson last year than them beating us by 3 touchdowns. Why would our defense be so much worse that we'd give up 17 more points at home against a team without CJ Stroud?

We shocked them playing nickel all game last year and stopping their run until end of 3rd quarter with only 6 in the box. They didn't have an answer for that until we got worn out and made a few big mental mistakes (Mickey). They didn't know what Al Golden was going to do, they do now.

With that said, if we give up 38 points at home and lose and it's not close. Changes need to be made, significant changes. This should be the best team we have until probably 2026, maybe 2025 if players develop quickly.

 

[ulukinatme]

“Time outs are not like cell phone minutes. They don’t roll over into the next half”

"MAKE PLAYS!"

"PUCKER, PUCKER, PUCKER!!!"

haha classic

CBS did a Top 10 11 quotes for the 10th anniversary of the rant lol

Mike Valenti's 'Make Plays' Rant: Top 11 One-Liners

The best one-liners, wisecracks and jabs from Mike Valenti's epic 2006 MSU vs Notre Dame rant.

www.cbsnews.com

11: We don't know what we're doing out here. Help us. Make plays!

10: You got your secondary floating on dinghies. ... Let alone the fact your stupid-assed blitz packages never get home ever EVER.

9: They had 'em by the throat and instead of cutting it real deep and watching the blood squirt all over you let 'em get into halftime so fat boy could feed 'em pudding.

8: What I saw on Saturday night in a driving rain with my onions soaked with my voice shattered was an out and out choke job. *choking noises*

7: Michigan State handed it away like a nice three-button coat at the Salvation Army.

6: Shame on this coaching staff for puckering. ... 38-17 to Notre Dame last year. *puckering noises* pucker pucker pucker.

5: They mismanaged the clock again. They didn't use their time-outs right again and they allowed an opponents to get into halftime and make adjustments AGAIN.

4: Michigan State sat there and choked on apple sauce. *choking noises*

3: What the hell are you doing in a shotgun in a monsoon? You're asking Drew Stanton to run the option in Hurricane Katrina.

2: Note to John L. Smith. Learn the effin' rules and understand that your time-outs are not like cellphone minutes. They don't carry over.

1: You are the worst defensive coordinator ever. I'd rather have H.R. Pufnstuf with Teddy Ruxpin as an assistant than to have you in this booth one more week.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

CBS did a Top 10 11 quotes for the 10th anniversary of the rant lol

Mike Valenti's 'Make Plays' Rant: Top 11 One-Liners

The best one-liners, wisecracks and jabs from Mike Valenti's epic 2006 MSU vs Notre Dame rant.

www.cbsnews.com

Those are classic lines. It's hard to believe that he didn't rehearse all of that ahead of the show, but he had so much raw emotion I truly don't think that he did.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

We shocked them playing nickel all game last year and stopping their run until end of 3rd quarter with only 6 in the box. They didn't have an answer for that until we got worn out and made a few big mental mistakes (Mickey). They didn't know what Al Golden was going to do, they do now.

With that said, if we give up 38 points at home and lose and it's not close. Changes need to be made, significant changes. This should be the best team we have until probably 2026, maybe 2025 if players develop quickly.

If OSU had Stoud this year, I could see a blowout of ND. No excuse to be blown out this year but it wouldn’t shock me.

I want to see how the front 6 or 7 handle OSU’s RBs. Henderson was clearly not 100% last year. He’s reportedly back to his 2021 form this season which means he can be an issue. Their other backs are salty, too. I’m hoping the poor tackling from 1H of CMU game is a perfectly timed teaching moment for the defense.

 

[Mattmags]

My head says OSU is the only fan base that hates scUM as much as we do so we should be like eskimo bros.

My heart says fuck everyone but ND.

My enemy's enemy is my friend? I don't think it works in this scenario.

 

[notredomer23]

There is a big gulf between the perception of Ohio State (offense isn't as good as past years // not physical in the trenches) and what many of the "experts" think (OSU is one of the two or three most complete teams in the country and has an underrated defense full of NFL talent).

I'm still a little skeptical on the ND defense and ND OL, and I think best case scenario is something like ND 31 Ohio State 27. I can't see ND winning a blowout and I think there is a solid chance that Ohio State wins something like 38-17 with ND not being able to hit the big plays they've been feasting on through four weeks.

Blah blah blah, Irish by 50.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

There is a big gulf between the perception of Ohio State (offense isn't as good as past years // not physical in the trenches) and what many of the "experts" think (OSU is one of the two or three most complete teams in the country and has an underrated defense full of NFL talent).

I'm still a little skeptical on the ND defense and ND OL, and I think best case scenario is something like ND 31 Ohio State 27. I can't see ND winning a blowout and I think there is a solid chance that Ohio State wins something like 38-17 with ND not being able to hit the big plays they've been feasting on through four weeks.

I'm betting the over.

The pundits seem to think this Ohio State team doesn't have the swag and confidence it did a few years back, and that makes some sense to presume considering back to back beatings against Michigan and the heartbreaker against UGA. All that said, man, they still have some dudes on this team. Especially on offense.

I think Sam Hartman, home field and Marcus Freeman one year wiser as an HC have people believing that Ohio State is fixing to go down. Perhaps in similar early season fashion as they did to Oregon in 2021. (That was in Columbus and not away however)

 

[tko]

Kryptonite, how do we weaken the strength?

 

[GATTACA!]

Not trying to argue

 

[Rasputin]

Some random tidbits from Ohio State's last three regular season losses:

2021:
vs. Oregon: 35-28L
@ Michigan: 42-27L

2022:
vs. Michigan: 45-23L

1. Ohio State lost the 3rd quarter in every game: 7-14, 0-14, 0-7. Interestingly, in their losses they gave up a quick TD on their opponent's first possession of the 3rd quarter. In 2021 Oregon took 3 plays to go 81 yards (1:22 minutes) for a TD (including a 77 yard TD run). In the 2021 game, Michigan held OSU to a 3 and out on the opening possession of the 3rd, and then went 5 plays for 77 yards (1:15 minutes) for a TD (including a 55 yard run). In the 2022 game, Michigan took the opening kickoff to start the 3rd and went 7 plays for 75 yards (3:04 minutes) including a 45 yard TD pass.

2. Ohio State gave up over 250 yards rushing in every game (252, 269 and 252), while being held to under 150 yards (143, 64 and 128).

3. Michigan (twice) and Oregon had more offensive rush attempts than pass attempts.

4. In 2021 Michigan and Oregon spread the ball around on pass plays. Michigan had 9 different players with receptions while Oregon had 11. By comparison, OSU had 5 and 7 in those games. That trend reversed in the 2022 Michigan game as OSU had 8 different players with receptions vs. Michigan's 7 but that may be because Michigan went almost exclusively to the run in the 2nd half.

5. Win or lose, OSU's WRs are gonna get theirs. Smith-Njigba (11 rec - 127 yards, 0 TDs) and Wilson (10-119, 1) against Michigan in 2021, Smith-Njigba (7-145, 2), Olave (12-126) and Wilson (8-117, 1) against Oregon in 2021 and Egbuka (9-125, 1) and Harrison Jr. (7-120, 1) in 2022 against Michigan. Lots of big stats on the WRs, but all losses.

Obvious Observations:

Commit to the run. Commit to stopping the run.

Don't be predictable on pass plays. Spread the ball around.

You can't stop OSU's passing game. They will get their stats. But limit their ability to run, make 'em one dimensional and force them to throw (seems counterintuitive to make them go with their strength). Even with CJ Stroud and those 1st round WRs, they weren't successful. This year's QB isn't Stroud.

Hang around. Keep the first half close. Successful opponents appear to be able to make quick adjustments and exploit OSU's D early in the 3rd. Then beat them up with a steady diet of power running.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Their fans are confident. I talked to a couple of girls I saw who are OSU fans about the game the other day.
They plugged their noses and asked me if I would leave if they gave me their prediction. So I agreed. They said Bucks 38-24

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Their fans are confident. I talked to a couple of girls I saw who are OSU fans about the game the other day.
They plugged their noses and asked me if I would leave if they gave me their prediction. So I agreed. Bucks 38-24

On Sunday morning after ND wins, go plug something else.


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[Sea Turtle]

On Sunday morning after ND wins, go plug something else.


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Read the post. It was their prediction.

 

[WilliamWallace]

Some random tidbits from Ohio State's last three regular season losses:

2021:
vs. Oregon: 35-28L
@ Michigan: 42-27L

2022:
vs. Michigan: 45-23L

1. Ohio State lost the 3rd quarter in every game: 7-14, 0-14, 0-7. Interestingly, in their losses they gave up a quick TD on their opponent's first possession of the 3rd quarter. In 2021 Oregon took 3 plays to go 81 yards (1:22 minutes) for a TD (including a 77 yard TD run). In the 2021 game, Michigan held OSU to a 3 and out on the opening possession of the 3rd, and then went 5 plays for 77 yards (1:15 minutes) for a TD (including a 55 yard run). In the 2022 game, Michigan took the opening kickoff to start the 3rd and went 7 plays for 75 yards (3:04 minutes) including a 45 yard TD pass.

2. Ohio State gave up over 250 yards rushing in every game (252, 269 and 252), while being held to under 150 yards (143, 64 and 128).

3. Michigan (twice) and Oregon had more offensive rush attempts than pass attempts.

4. In 2021 Michigan and Oregon spread the ball around on pass plays. Michigan had 9 different players with receptions while Oregon had 11. By comparison, OSU had 5 and 7 in those games. That trend reversed in the 2022 Michigan game as OSU had 8 different players with receptions vs. Michigan's 7 but that may be because Michigan went almost exclusively to the run in the 2nd half.

5. Win or lose, OSU's WRs are gonna get theirs. Smith-Njigba (11 rec - 127 yards, 0 TDs) and Wilson (10-119, 1) against Michigan in 2021, Smith-Njigba (7-145, 2), Olave (12-126) and Wilson (8-117, 1) against Oregon in 2021 and Egbuka (9-125, 1) and Harrison Jr. (7-120, 1) in 2022 against Michigan. Lots of big stats on the WRs, but all losses.

Obvious Observations:

Commit to the run. Commit to stopping the run.

Don't be predictable on pass plays. Spread the ball around.

You can't stop OSU's passing game. They will get their stats. But limit their ability to run, make 'em one dimensional and force them to throw (seems counterintuitive to make them go with their strength). Even with CJ Stroud and those 1st round WRs, they weren't successful. This year's QB isn't Stroud.

Hang around. Keep the first half close. Successful opponents appear to be able to make quick adjustments and exploit OSU's D early in the 3rd. Then beat them up with a steady diet of power running.

Awesome stuff, I think a couple turnovers in the passing game would change their game plan. Who have they faced with same or better DB play? I’m sure our safeties will be high in passing situations. From what I understand there’s no real QB run threat. I like ND against their Defense.

 

[MacIrish75]

Important

Great timing for Rubio to announce his xfer to Navy…

 

[forkbeard3777]

Some random tidbits from Ohio State's last three regular season losses:

2021:
vs. Oregon: 35-28L
@ Michigan: 42-27L

2022:
vs. Michigan: 45-23L

1. Ohio State lost the 3rd quarter in every game: 7-14, 0-14, 0-7. Interestingly, in their losses they gave up a quick TD on their opponent's first possession of the 3rd quarter. In 2021 Oregon took 3 plays to go 81 yards (1:22 minutes) for a TD (including a 77 yard TD run). In the 2021 game, Michigan held OSU to a 3 and out on the opening possession of the 3rd, and then went 5 plays for 77 yards (1:15 minutes) for a TD (including a 55 yard run). In the 2022 game, Michigan took the opening kickoff to start the 3rd and went 7 plays for 75 yards (3:04 minutes) including a 45 yard TD pass.

2. Ohio State gave up over 250 yards rushing in every game (252, 269 and 252), while being held to under 150 yards (143, 64 and 128).

3. Michigan (twice) and Oregon had more offensive rush attempts than pass attempts.

4. In 2021 Michigan and Oregon spread the ball around on pass plays. Michigan had 9 different players with receptions while Oregon had 11. By comparison, OSU had 5 and 7 in those games. That trend reversed in the 2022 Michigan game as OSU had 8 different players with receptions vs. Michigan's 7 but that may be because Michigan went almost exclusively to the run in the 2nd half.

5. Win or lose, OSU's WRs are gonna get theirs. Smith-Njigba (11 rec - 127 yards, 0 TDs) and Wilson (10-119, 1) against Michigan in 2021, Smith-Njigba (7-145, 2), Olave (12-126) and Wilson (8-117, 1) against Oregon in 2021 and Egbuka (9-125, 1) and Harrison Jr. (7-120, 1) in 2022 against Michigan. Lots of big stats on the WRs, but all losses.

Obvious Observations:

Commit to the run. Commit to stopping the run.

Don't be predictable on pass plays. Spread the ball around.

You can't stop OSU's passing game. They will get their stats. But limit their ability to run, make 'em one dimensional and force them to throw (seems counterintuitive to make them go with their strength). Even with CJ Stroud and those 1st round WRs, they weren't successful. This year's QB isn't Stroud.

Hang around. Keep the first half close. Successful opponents appear to be able to make quick adjustments and exploit OSU's D early in the 3rd. Then beat them up with a steady diet of power running.

I think this is the key to the entire game. If ND can run the ball successfully and really limit Ohio State running, they’ll win. ND running the ball controls the clock and keeps the defense off the field. Also, you’ve got to think Hartman will still be able to spread it around. ND really hindering Ohio State’s run makes it a one dimensional team. It plays into ND’s defensive strengths (DBs). I also don’t know if McCord can beat you by himself. An inexperienced quarterback’s best friend is a strong running game.

 

[Ophiocordyceps]

 

[forkbeard3777]

Great timing for Rubio to announce his xfer to Navy…

Ahh good for him. I have the utmost respect for the service academies

 

[GATTACA!]

Their fans are confident. I talked to a couple of girls I saw who are OSU fans about the game the other day.
They plugged their noses and asked me if I would leave if they gave me their prediction. So I agreed. They said Bucks 38-24

Typical dog brain prediction.

 

[FWIrish4]

I live in Columbus and have a lot of age 40-something friends who have gone from their young "we're awesome and everyone else sucks" days, to now bashing everything about Ryan Day and talking about this game like they will lose because of him. What pisses me off is that a Notre Dame victory would only result in them saying, "I told you so". It's impossible to relish in a victory against the Buckeyes. Anytime they lose there is some excuse about the coaching, but that they are still the best team in the country regardless.

I don't personally hate Ohio State. I hate most of their fanbase. They cheer more for the other team to lose, than they do for their own team to win. It's exhausting. SPOILED and DELUSIONAL are two words that I used to describe the OSU fanbase to a more level headed buckeye fan the other day. It was as though he's never heard someone say this out loud before, but his silence tells me that he had a moment of clarity and agreed in some weird way.

Please, please let them win on Saturday so that I can come into work with a sh#tty grin on my face while staying classy.

I’ve never resonated more with a random message board statement. To a T!

 

[NDdomer2]

I read Sampson's article on the Athletic this morning about "keeping the red out" of the stadium. ( Link to article )


The athletic department hired two people last year that came from big time football programs in the south. Their primary job is to keep opposing fans out. However there is only so much they can do. Swarbrick won't allow any type of punishment for season ticket holders who sell their tickets to opposing fans, even though they know who these people are. So it is really about trying to motivate people to keep their tickets.

Also the OSU ticket allotment is not all in one area anymore. They will be spread in the last row of the stadium all around so as not to create any blocks of red.

the university partnered with a online secondary ticket exchange company that directly gives you the option to sell your tickets. I dont know how they can punish you for using their partnered service. And it isnt like they have a choice who buys once listed.

 

[PutuporShutup]

If OSU had Stoud this year, I could see a blowout of ND. No excuse to be blown out this year but it wouldn’t shock me.

I want to see how the front 6 or 7 handle OSU’s RBs. Henderson was clearly not 100% last year. He’s reportedly back to his 2021 form this season which means he can be an issue. Their other backs are salty, too. I’m hoping the poor tackling from 1H of CMU game is a perfectly timed teaching moment for the defense.

OSU's oline is NOT as good as last year though. They had two frichan STUD tackles last year probably playing better than Alt/Fisher are now (due to fisher having 1-2 really bad plays per game it seems).

Yes, henderson looks like he has some burst back better than last year.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Some random tidbits from Ohio State's last three regular season losses:

2021:
vs. Oregon: 35-28L
@ Michigan: 42-27L

2022:
vs. Michigan: 45-23L

1. Ohio State lost the 3rd quarter in every game: 7-14, 0-14, 0-7. Interestingly, in their losses they gave up a quick TD on their opponent's first possession of the 3rd quarter. In 2021 Oregon took 3 plays to go 81 yards (1:22 minutes) for a TD (including a 77 yard TD run). In the 2021 game, Michigan held OSU to a 3 and out on the opening possession of the 3rd, and then went 5 plays for 77 yards (1:15 minutes) for a TD (including a 55 yard run). In the 2022 game, Michigan took the opening kickoff to start the 3rd and went 7 plays for 75 yards (3:04 minutes) including a 45 yard TD pass.

2. Ohio State gave up over 250 yards rushing in every game (252, 269 and 252), while being held to under 150 yards (143, 64 and 128).

3. Michigan (twice) and Oregon had more offensive rush attempts than pass attempts.

4. In 2021 Michigan and Oregon spread the ball around on pass plays. Michigan had 9 different players with receptions while Oregon had 11. By comparison, OSU had 5 and 7 in those games. That trend reversed in the 2022 Michigan game as OSU had 8 different players with receptions vs. Michigan's 7 but that may be because Michigan went almost exclusively to the run in the 2nd half.

5. Win or lose, OSU's WRs are gonna get theirs. Smith-Njigba (11 rec - 127 yards, 0 TDs) and Wilson (10-119, 1) against Michigan in 2021, Smith-Njigba (7-145, 2), Olave (12-126) and Wilson (8-117, 1) against Oregon in 2021 and Egbuka (9-125, 1) and Harrison Jr. (7-120, 1) in 2022 against Michigan. Lots of big stats on the WRs, but all losses.

Obvious Observations:

Commit to the run. Commit to stopping the run.

Don't be predictable on pass plays. Spread the ball around.

You can't stop OSU's passing game. They will get their stats. But limit their ability to run, make 'em one dimensional and force them to throw (seems counterintuitive to make them go with their strength). Even with CJ Stroud and those 1st round WRs, they weren't successful. This year's QB isn't Stroud.

Hang around. Keep the first half close. Successful opponents appear to be able to make quick adjustments and exploit OSU's D early in the 3rd. Then beat them up with a steady diet of power running.

Makes sense. Also, I‘m behind the news. I didn’t realize that Ryan Day decided against turning over play calling duties to Hartline.