Sept 21 | Georgia

[tko]

There will be a lot of yelling and gnashing of teeth at Chip Long's play calling Saturday night.

 

[Greenore]

ND wins - Amazing
ND loses, but beats the spread - Good
ND loses by 14 - OK
ND loses by 21 - Bad
ND loses by 28 - Very Bad

Add one additional "very" for every possession's worth of point differential beyond that.

And as a counter-point, I offer the "Green Kool-Aid Guzzler's Guide":

ND Wins - F'in Ehhhh!!
ND loses but beats the spread - Tough luck lads
ND loses by 14 - Not Okay, no bueno at all!
ND loses by 21 - Where are my knives?
ND loses by 28 - Honey, I'm going to the garage, starting the car with the doors closed.

Anything worse than that is probably arbitrary...

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[stlnd01]

There’s this dude on FSRadio that’s is wrong often, (he said Houston BB won titles with Phi Slama Jama today for example) but his preview of the game stated the UGA OLine out weighs our DLine at least 60 lbs per man across either line,... is that true? If so,....

They might have 60 pounds on Okwara, but our interior guys - Hinish, MTA, Jay A, and Lacey - all weigh 280 to 295. If their linemen have 60 pounds on that, I wonder how they'd move?

 

[stlnd01]

What point differential would you personally deem unreasonably pessimistic? 20? 30+? Im not entirely sure where to stop.


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I wouldn't pick us to win. But I think we'll give them a tough game, and I'll be disappointed if we lose by more than two scores.
I think "unreasonably pessimistic" is what some of you all are being.

 

[Irishize]

The 2019 UGA defense specifically the front 7 is not nearly as good as the 2017 UGA defense and specifically the front 7. That defense had Lorenzo Carter, Jonathan Ledbetter, Trent Thompson, David Bellamy (the dude who sacked and stripped Wimbush to end the game) and Roquan Smith (who was dominate that night and the whole year). Don’t get me wrong UGA has a really good defense this year, but it’s not on the same level as the 2017 defense.

And yes the 2019 ND OL is not nearly as good as the 2017 OL. But, there is a larger gap between 2019 UGA defense compared to 2017 UGA defense than the gap between ND OL 2017 compared to ND OL 2019.


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True but I keep having flashbacks to what our OL did vs UL & NM. Unfortunately, you can’t sandbag on physicality. I get the coaches holding back actual plays or formations...but the trenches are still going to be physical vs passive. That’s a lot to improve in one week. I still think our rush attack has less success than Vandy did....and Vandy got blown out. To be fair to Vandy, Keyshaun Vaughn is a better RB than an RB on our roster...regardless of health.

 

[arndtjc]

Rewatching the New Mexico game.

1. I hope we use pistol/under-center Ace formations to run downhill in short yardage situations, as ND has done recently (though infrequently).

FWIW, @NDFootball posted a practice pic on twitter of them lined up under center in a first down situation, so maybe we have only seen the first page of the playbook so far

 

[Ndaccountant]

ND wins - Amazing
ND loses, but beats the spread - Good
ND loses by 14 - OK
ND loses by 21 - Bad
ND loses by 28 - Very Bad

Add one additional "very" for every possession's worth of point differential beyond that.

Edit: I'd say "Very Bad" is the cut-off for unreasonably pessimistic.

I understand the logic used here.

But where I disagree is that I think if we cannot keep it within 2 scores with any team, in no way, shape or form is that OK.

I gnaw my teeth at Finebitch and his SEC ball sucking. But where he has a point is that ND has failed on the big stage so many times, nobody takes ND seriously. It's time to start earning respect and you do that by showing up in these types of games. I personally refuse to lower standards just because Kelly / Long / Quinn have a lame ass system that has failed to produce in any meaningful way against a top 10 team (Michigan is not a top 10 team).

 

[Woneone]

So, can someone tell me why Georgia has been considered "dominant" against their competition this year, while ND hasn't?

They beat Vandy 30-6, and Fromm wasn't very good. Purdue beat them 42-24 the next week.

They trucked Murray State 63-17, who then got beat 45-0 by Toledo.

Arkansas State was probably their most impressive win 55-0.

I guess I don't get that aspect of the match-up. The idea, such as the II podcast stated, that the "cap" on our offense in this game is somehow 21 just doesn't make sense to me.

I'm not saying we're going to win, but I'd like to understand why the matchup is supposedly so one-sided.

 

[Irishize]

I wouldn't pick us to win. But I think we'll give them a tough game, and I'll be disappointed if we lose by more than two scores.
I think "unreasonably pessimistic" is what some of you all are being.

I hope you’re right but I think it’s over by halftime. I let myself get talked into ND competing back in 2012. I haven’t fallen for it since. I knew 2015 wouldn’t be close (tOSU was not a good match up for ND) but I thought the Cotton Bowl vs Clemson would be competitive & I think it would’ve been had we not lost Love for a few series.

Good thing is none of us are suiting up. Those kids want to get back to the CFP & they know what it takes. I highly doubt either team pays attention to the point spread. UGA is highly confident & probably is counting on blowing ND out. It’s up to the Irish to prevent that. Survive the first quarter w/ minimal damage & try to go into halftime w/ a competitive score. ND is going into this game ranked #1 in TO margin. To win this game, they’ll need to come out of this game remaining #1 in the nation in TO margin.

The Dawgs & their fans will be shocked if this is competitive game going into half. That’s a stress that Fromm & Co have rarely felt. ND is capable but the odds are huge.

 

[Irishize]

FWIW, @NDFootball posted a practice pic on twitter of them lined up under center in a first down situation, so maybe we have only seen the first page of the playbook so far

Still, regardless of what play is called, players don’t fake physicality & any coach that asks them to shouldn’t be coaching. Those failed 3rd & shorts were a result of NM being more physical despite being less talented.

 

[calvegas04]

I will be disappointed with anything other than a win, no moral victories

 

[Irishize]

So, can someone tell me why Georgia has been considered "dominant" against their competition this year, while ND hasn't?

They beat Vandy 30-6, and Fromm wasn't very good. Purdue beat them 42-24 the next week.

They trucked Murray State 63-17, who then got beat 45-0 by Toledo.

Arkansas State was probably their most impressive win 55-0.

I guess I don't get that aspect of the match-up. The idea, such as the II podcast stated, that the "cap" on our offense in this game is somehow 21 just doesn't make sense to me.

I'm not saying we're going to win, but I'd like to understand why the matchup is supposedly so one-sided.

Great points and they do point to some possibilites. But...you need to look at personnel. Don’t take my word for it...go listen to Gary Danielson. He’s watched UGA up close every year of the Kirby Smart era (incl 2017) & this is by far the best they’ve looked after 3 games. And he’s a huge BK fan while also being very complimentary of where ND is in the CFB landscape.

Do you think UGA is more fired up to blow out Vandy/Ark St/Murray St...or ND? They’re human beings & their adrenaline will be jacked in the atmosphere on Sat night. Hopefully, so will ND’s. Hard to make a statement vs their first 3 opponents. Just blow them out & get the backups reps. But they know the entire nation will be watching Saturday night. UGA fans are much more worried about a road trip to Auburn than hosting ND.

 

[Ndaccountant]

So, can someone tell me why Georgia has been considered "dominant" against their competition this year, while ND hasn't?

They beat Vandy 30-6, and Fromm wasn't very good. Purdue beat them 42-24 the next week.

They trucked Murray State 63-17, who they got beat 45-0 by Toledo.

Arkansas State was probably their most impressive win 55-0.

I guess I don't get that aspect of the match-up. The idea, such as the II podcast stated, that the "cap" on our offense in this game is somehow 21 just doesn't make sense to me.

Let's put it this way....Pitt displayed the antidote to the Book version of the Long offense. From that point on, when ND played a team that had the athleticism and desire (looking at you FSU, even though that was Wimbush), the offense was significantly slowed. Then, Clemson did the exact same thing but with even better coaching and athleticism.

So to me, what UGA has done up until this point this year is rather irrelevant. We know their defense will be well coached, poised and athletic.

The only "hope" ND fans have at this point is for one of two things....
1) Long and Kelly have a rebuttal for this approach and have been sitting on it for UGA
2) Lea's defense saves the day and is +2 or more in TO's and this is a game scored in the teens.

#2 is the more realistic option of the two, but that is even a long shot given the strength of UGA plays into ND's weakness on D. If this game was in November, I would feel more confident in the D. But the LB's in particular are still too raw IMO to keep UGA from reaching 21 points.

 

[Irishize]

LOL!!! Love you Brother!!

Keep the Faith!

Cheers and Go Irish!!

Are you “Rich from Canada”?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

True but I keep having flashbacks to what our OL did vs UL & NM. Unfortunately, you can’t sandbag on physicality. I get the coaches holding back actual plays or formations...but the trenches are still going to be physical vs passive. That’s a lot to improve in one week. I still think our rush attack has less success than Vandy did....and Vandy got blown out. To be fair to Vandy, Keyshaun Vaughn is a better RB than an RB on our roster...regardless of health.

I hear all that. And agree Keyshawn Vaughn would be the best RB regardless of injury.


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[Cali_domer]

I will be disappointed with anything other than a win, no moral victories

 

[Greenore]

Are you “Rich from Canada”?

???

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[Irishize]

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Cheers and Go Irish!!

Sorry, i should’ve clarified. I enjoy listening to Mark Packer’s show on ESPNU on sxm radio. One of he regular callers is a huge ND fan in canada named Rich. He sounds like a great guy so I thought since you’re from Canada there’s a slim chance you may be Rich. Obviously, you’re not...but it was worth a try.

Rich also uses similar phrases as you do and it got me thinking as well. He starts every call out by saying “Cheers from Canada”.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Let's put it this way....Pitt displayed the antidote to the Book version of the Long offense. From that point on, when ND played a team that had the athleticism and desire (looking at you FSU, even though that was Wimbush), the offense was significantly slowed. Then, Clemson did the exact same thing but with even better coaching and athleticism.

So to me, what UGA has done up until this point this year is rather irrelevant. We know their defense will be well coached, poised and athletic.

The only "hope" ND fans have at this point is for one of two things....
1) Long and Kelly have a rebuttal for this approach and have been sitting on it for UGA
2) Lea's defense saves the day and is +2 or more in TO's and this is a game scored in the teens.

#2 is the more realistic option of the two, but that is even a long shot given the strength of UGA plays into ND's weakness on D. If this game was in November, I would feel more confident in the D. But the LB's in particular are still too raw IMO to keep UGA from reaching 21 points.

ND’s offensive performance on Saturday is a very important metric for the staff. They have a talented and experienced O line, returning 2 starting WRs and a stud TE in Kmet, and an experienced starting QB chosen for his proficiency within the system. If ND can’t move the ball then the current formula needs to be changed because how much better can it be expected to get personnel-wise?

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

ND’s offensive performance on Saturday is a very important metric for the staff. They have a talented and experienced O line, returning 2 starting WRs and a stud TE in Kmet, and an experienced starting QB chosen for his proficiency within the system. If ND can’t move the ball then the current formula needs to be changed because how much better can it be expected to get personnel-wise?

Tyler Buchner, Jordan Johnson, and Chris Tyree.

Edit: and Micheal Mayer

 

[Woneone]

Let's put it this way....Pitt displayed the antidote to the Book version of the Long offense. From that point on, when ND played a team that had the athleticism and desire (looking at you FSU, even though that was Wimbush), the offense was significantly slowed. Then, Clemson did the exact same thing but with even better coaching and athleticism.

So to me, what UGA has done up until this point this year is rather irrelevant. We know their defense will be well coached, poised and athletic.

The only "hope" ND fans have at this point is for one of two things....
1) Long and Kelly have a rebuttal for this approach and have been sitting on it for UGA
2) Lea's defense saves the day and is +2 or more in TO's and this is a game scored in the teens.

#2 is the more realistic option of the two, but that is even a long shot given the strength of UGA plays into ND's weakness on D. If this game was in November, I would feel more confident in the D. But the LB's in particular are still too raw IMO to keep UGA from reaching 21 points.

Oh, no doubt.

I guess I just don't understand the comments of looking at our games vs NM and Lville and going, "Man, they just aren't playing well against bad teams", compared to Georgia's with glowing reviews.

Vaughn for Vandy averaged 5 yards per carry, with 3 new starters on the O-Line. Looking at the box score, it looks like starters were both teams were in until the last drive for each team.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think we'll win. But, we've played bad. That actually gives me hope. Anyway, it's my wife and I's anniversary Saturday, so I really don't need another tragedy to occur that day (Hun, if you're lurkering, I'm only kidding. Kind of.).

 

[Greenore]

Sorry, i should’ve clarified. I enjoy listening to Mark Packer’s show on ESPNU on sxm radio. One of he regular callers is a huge ND fan in canada named Rich. He sounds like a great guy so I thought since you’re from Canada there’s a slim chance you may be Rich. Obviously, you’re not...but it was worth a try.

Rich also uses similar phrases as you do and it got me thinking as well. He starts every call out by saying “Cheers from Canada”.

No problems Irishize! Thanks for the compliments... I'm guessing that Rich drinks a lot of the spiked Kool-Aid too! Not Rich (for sure) but he sounds like one heck of a guy! LOL!

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[T-Boone]

Sounds like it is the battle of the dogs:
Bulldogs v Underdogs

 

[T-Boone]

ND’s offensive performance on Saturday is a very important metric for the staff. They have a talented and experienced O line, returning 2 starting WRs and a stud TE in Kmet, and an experienced starting QB chosen for his proficiency within the system. If ND can’t move the ball then the current formula needs to be changed because how much better can it be expected to get personnel-wise?

Has Kmet actually done anything on the field yet?
His whole reputation seems to be built on what he has shown in practice.
So far Tremble has produced more on the field.
Not having a shot at Kmet, hope he is as advertised. Just find the narrative of certain players interesting.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Has Kmet actually done anything on the field yet?
His whole reputation seems to be built on what he has shown in practice.
So far Tremble has produced more on the field.
Not having a shot at Kmet, hope he is as advertised. Just find the narrative of certain players interesting.

The staff seems to think he’s a stud so it’s not exactly a point in their favor if he isn’t.

 

[Greenore]

Has Kmet actually done anything on the field yet?
His whole reputation seems to be built on what he has shown in practice.
So far Tremble has produced more on the field.
Not having a shot at Kmet, hope he is as advertised. Just find the narrative of certain players interesting.

Cole has been out the past two games with a broken collarbone. He is expected to play against Georgia. By all observations he is at least as good as advertised. Great blocker and receiver. Tremble did a really good job coming in, particularly as a receiver. I don't think he blocks nearly as well as Kmet.

Cheers and Go Irish

 

[Irishize]

Has Kmet actually done anything on the field yet?

He has a nice two-seam fastball

 

[Irishize]

No problems Irishize! Thanks for the compliments... I'm guessing that Rich drinks a lot of the spiked Kool-Aid too! Not Rich (for sure) but he sounds like one heck of a guy! LOL!

Cheers and Go Irish!!

Ha! Unfortunately, even Rich from Canada had run out of Kool-Aid. He does seem like a good dude & he’s one of Packer’s favorite callers.

 

[BobbyMac]

No one irrelevant's like ND.

https://247sports.com/Article/Notre-Dame-Georgia-football-tickets-price-record-135785731/

Prices for Notre Dame-Georgia game tickets may break record

By JORDAN JAMES

Finding a cheap ticket to Saturday's matchup at Sanford Stadium between the No. 7 Notre Dame Fighting Irish and No. 3 Georgia Bulldogs may not be easy.

As of Wednesday morning, the average price for tickets sold to the game was $611 according to data Vivid Seats provided to Forbes. That number would be the highest average price of any regular season college football game over the past five years except for in 2017, when Georgia visited South Bend for the first time to face Notre Dame. The average price for tickets to the Bulldogs' 20-19 win over the Irish in 2017 was $619 on Vivid Seats.

The crowd expected for the game in Athens will set a new record for Sanford Stadium. The seating capacity for the game will now be 93,256 instead of the usual 92,756 after the Georgia athletic department announced the addition of 500 extra seats earlier this week.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">According to data from SeatGeek provided by Notre Dame, a visit from the Fighting Irish results in a 96 percent ticket bump on tickets in the secondary market. That’s the highest in all of college football, with Michigan (68 percent) and Penn State (67 percent) the next highest.</p>— 2-0 Athens next (@AlDogg44) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlDogg44/status/1174149868279009280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I’m hoping this Notre Dame team comes out loose, free and plays like there is nothing to lose. Fans from both sides and the media have already declared UGA the winner and the majority of them agreeing in blowout fashion. Notre Dame is playing with house money.

No one is giving Notre Dame a chance in this game. The boys should just come out loose as all hell and play free, like they are working with house money. What do they have to lose? Everyone already thinks they will get boat raced, taken behind the woodshed, etc. So what the f*ck do they have to lose. Play free and rock out with their c*cks out.

Unlike the semifinal playoff game against Clemson or the 2017 Miami game or the 2017 Stanford game or even the 2018 USC game where the team was visibly tight, nervous and unable to handle the pressure; there should be no pressure on them to do anything positive in this game right? No one even expects Notre Dame to be commentators. So ND plays loose and then all the pressure falls on Georgia. What an embarrassment it would be for Georgia if the game is close in the second half. Georgia would embarrass themselves and the SEC as a whole. As they struggled against hapless Notre Dame who should be banned/on probation from the College football playoffs for the next 5 years!

In all seriousness no one is giving ND a shot. They should use that to their advantage and put the pressure squarely on the home team...


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