Sept 18 | Purdue

[EvilleIrish]

Line already down to 7.

 

[Dale]

Line already down to 7.

It’s semantics but the line has not moved down to 7 across the market which is what the wording implies. Circa opened it -8 as they usually make the first non-look ahead line. DraftKings it looks like just opened and it opened it at 7. Many if not most books aren’t out yet still.

EDIT: I’m wrong here. DK opened at 8.5 and has seen there’s drop to 7

 

[Irish#1]

Just a reminder that Purdue has also not been good at football for years. Might be worth taking the over...

Agree, but good enough to beat OSU a couple of years ago. They’ll be ready like every other opponent we face. Lol

 

[rtrn2glory]

I'll be in town for this one as well for the first time in fifteen years. Planning on hanging at the Linebacker lounge for a bit before the game. Those who have been a more regular attendee than myself what's some advice for parking for these pregame festivities?

 

[Ndaccountant]

Agree, but good enough to beat OSU a couple of years ago. They’ll be ready like every other opponent we face. Lol

I think we can all agree that the first two games have strongly favored the opponents in terms of intangibles.

For FSU, it was their showcase night, Bowden appreciation, first game back from Covid, etc. They prepped months for that game and put all they had into it. ND is clearly still figures things out and to go into an atmosphere like that for Game 1 was a huge disadvantage.

For Toeldo, it was the same thing as FSU but better....they got ND on a short week after a hugely emotional game the week before. Plus, this was a cohesive team. Forget talent, they were a well coached team. I liken it to the "mid major" in the first / second round of the NCAA's. They can't match up 1-1 on paper, but they are team that has played years together and this is their one shot and the circumstances allow them to keep it close and/or pull off the upset.

Purdon't will be up for this game, no question about it. But I think ND will be on a more level playing field w/r/t intangibles heading into this game. I just hope ND isn't looking ahead to Wisconsin since David Bell can single handily put up 200+ yards this week if we are not careful.

 

[DogDaysIrish]

I can't believe I get to have an aneurysm at the stadium next Saturday. That is if my 81 year old grandfather doesn't have a heart attack and beat me to it.

Just saying, you can do both. Enjoy the game!

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I'll be in town for this one as well for the first time in fifteen years. Planning on hanging at the Linebacker lounge for a bit before the game. Those who have been a more regular attendee than myself what's some advice for parking for these pregame festivities?

If you're going to the Backer, I tailgate right across the street at the Ivy Court. It was $50 last weekend to park there. If you're looking for cheaper options, you can park further down Twyckenham Dr to find cheaper options. It would be a 15-20 minute walk but parking is usually closer to $20. I mapped it out for some others in the parking thread:

https://www.irishenvy.com/forums/pl...tre-dame-game-day/3003402-parking-suggestions

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I think we can all agree that the first two games have strongly favored the opponents in terms of intangibles.

For FSU, it was their showcase night, Bowden appreciation, first game back from Covid, etc. They prepped months for that game and put all they had into it. ND is clearly still figures things out and to go into an atmosphere like that for Game 1 was a huge disadvantage.

For Toeldo, it was the same thing as FSU but better....they got ND on a short week after a hugely emotional game the week before. Plus, this was a cohesive team. Forget talent, they were a well coached team. I liken it to the "mid major" in the first / second round of the NCAA's. They can't match up 1-1 on paper, but they are team that has played years together and this is their one shot and the circumstances allow them to keep it close and/or pull off the upset.

Purdon't will be up for this game, no question about it. But I think ND will be on a more level playing field w/r/t intangibles heading into this game. I just hope ND isn't looking ahead to Wisconsin since David Bell can single handily put up 200+ yards this week if we are not careful.

I definitely agree with everything you've said, and Jack didn't do us any favors by scheduling Toledo on a short week after FSU. In his defense, I don't think he envisioned Toledo being as stout of a football team as they ended up being, but still. Please no more 6 day turnarounds after Labor Day. Either play Saturday afternoon, or give us a bye week.

However, there are so many red flags with this football team right now that I give me pause well beyond the intangibles that you mentioned above for both FSU and Toledo. Our OLine is just plain bad. It was one thing to struggle in a tough road environment at FSU when communication is tough and they had a few transfers coming in that gave FSU some immediate improvements. But then to come home and get pushed around and bullied for 60 minutes by a MAC team, no matter how cohesive that unit may have been, or how well coached, was simply a bad look. We had a distinctive size and talent advantage on paper and it is inconceivable that we got pushed around by a MAC front.

I'm not saying they can't improve but man...it's been a long time since we've had this many issues up front.

 

[NDohio]

I definitely agree with everything you've said, and Jack didn't do us any favors by scheduling Toledo on a short week after FSU. In his defense, I don't think he envisioned Toledo being as stout of a football team as they ended up being, but still. Please no more 6 day turnarounds after Labor Day. Either play Saturday afternoon, or give us a bye week.

However, there are so many red flags with this football team right now that I give me pause well beyond the intangibles that you mentioned above for both FSU and Toledo. Our OLine is just plain bad. It was one thing to struggle in a tough road environment at FSU when communication is tough and they had a few transfers coming in that gave FSU some immediate improvements. But then to come home and get pushed around and bullied for 60 minutes by a MAC team, no matter how cohesive that unit may have been, or how well coached, was simply a bad look. We had a distinctive size and talent advantage on paper and it is inconceivable that we got pushed around by a MAC front.

I'm not saying they can't improve but man...it's been a long time since we've had this many issues up front.

I agree this is concerning and if the line continues to play the way they have this is gonna be a real issue against Wiscy and Cinci. However, it was just two years ago that a Notre Dame offensive line was pushed around by Ball State...

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I agree this is concerning and if the line continues to play the way they have this is gonna be a real issue against Wiscy and Cinci. However, it was just two years ago that a Notre Dame offensive line was pushed around by Ball State...

Fair, but a lot of our issues that day were BK and Chip Long appearing to try and develop Wimbush by forcing him to stay back in the pocket and go through his progressions, rather than take off and run, which was always his biggest strength. IIRC, he had a TON of running lanes that he simply ignored and it was pretty obvious he was instructed to do so to try and improve his passing game.

I'm not looking ahead past Purdue and it pains me to say that. George Karlaftis is a projected first round pick and we couldn't contain Jermaine Johnson against FSU with our first string LT....

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Any word how the players were going into the game stamina wise given the short week, coming off a hot game with another warm game?

Hoping fatigue was a part of this "lack of physicality".

 

[stpeteirish]

Fair, but a lot of our issues that day were BK and Chip Long appearing to try and develop Wimbush by forcing him to stay back in the pocket and go through his progressions, rather than take off and run, which was always his biggest strength. IIRC, he had a TON of running lanes that he simply ignored and it was pretty obvious he was instructed to do so to try and improve his passing game.

I'm not looking ahead past Purdue and it pains me to say that. George Karlaftis is a projected first round pick and we couldn't contain Jermaine Johnson against FSU with our first string LT....

Jermaine Johnson is also projected quite high (round 1-2) and he was every bit as impactful in the 1st half vs Fisher as he was in the 2nd half vs Carmody.
I think we can game plan around Karlaftis but I'd feel a lot better about this if Tosh Baker wasn't our LT.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Some items I found interesting from ND's depth chart this week;

Buchner still listed as the #3 quarterback
Carmody is listed so his health situation must be encouraging
Botelho sighting as an OR with Justin A at Vyper (EDIT: both behind Foskey)
Kollie is on the depth chart as Bertrand's backup
Rover is Kiser OR Pryor OR Watts. As a reward for the position switch the staff is going to try and get Watts on the field a few times this weekend is my guess.
Hart back at starter

 

[pumpdog20]

Some items I found interesting from ND's depth chart this week;

Buchner still listed as the #3 quarterback
Carmody is listed so his health situation must be encouraging
Botelho sighting as an OR with Justin A at Vyper (EDIT: both behind Foskey)
Kollie is on the depth chart as Bertrand's backup
Rover is Kiser OR Pryor OR Watts. As a reward for the position switch the staff is going to try and get Watts on the field a few times this weekend is my guess.
Hart back at starter

This is weird because ISD tweeted that BK said Kollie is unavailable for Purdue.

 

[Irishize]

Fair, but a lot of our issues that day were BK and Chip Long appearing to try and develop Wimbush by forcing him to stay back in the pocket and go through his progressions, rather than take off and run, which was always his biggest strength. IIRC, he had a TON of running lanes that he simply ignored and it was pretty obvious he was instructed to do so to try and improve his passing game.

I'm not looking ahead past Purdue and it pains me to say that. George Karlaftis is a projected first round pick and we couldn't contain Jermaine Johnson against FSU with our first string LT....

Agreed. The Ball St debacle turned on a dime when Book became QB1 at WF.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Hmmmm... then I guess we shouldn't be putting too much stock in the ND PR team's tweeted depth charts.

 

[Irishbounty28]

Not sure how much of a predictor ESPN's efficiency rankings are, but Notre Dame is I believe 55 or 56 overall in terms of total efficiency. Purdue is around 28th in the country in efficiency. Not sure how subjective these ratings are but it seems the are pretty consistent. The one thing they don't take into account is talent, which ND has been living off of the last two weeks. I believe if ND increases the production of the O-line to average this team can be pretty good. If the offensive line performs consistent with the first two games, Purdue wins IMO.

 

[Irish#1]

Purdue starting running back Zander Horvath out with a broken leg.

 

[ulukinatme]

Purdue routed uconn this week after their coach was essentially fired. UCONN after not playing last year would maybe go 0-12 against an fcs schedule. Purdue beat Oregon State somewhat close in week 1. Oregon State doubled up Hawaii at home last night.

This is kind of where I'm at. Purdue certainly gives me a bit of pause given our weak start, but they don't scare me like some people given their body of work. Running up the score on a defeated UConn team isn't that impressive, nor is a close victory against Oregon State. Can they beat us? Certainly given the current state we're in, but I think it's just as likely we play up to the competition and win a close one. Hell, if they fix some stuff on the OL and clean up a couple broken plays on defense we could even win by a few scores! Too soon to cry the sky is falling I think.

 

[calvegas04]

Why are they doing the stupid Irish wear green for this game? Gonna be a fail and the stadium won't be full again

 

[calvegas04]

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[ulukinatme]

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[irishff1014]

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O/U 6 sacks for them

 

[rtrn2glory]

Austin needs to have a big game. We'll see a lot of man in my opinion knowing they'll be able to get home on pass rush quickly

 

[rtrn2glory]

What times the presser today?

 

[GrangerIrish24]

What times the presser today?

it was yesterday

 

[clashmore_mike]

What times the presser today?

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Why are they doing the stupid Irish wear green for this game? Gonna be a fail and the stadium won't be full again

Not sure, honestly, but I was there last weekend and it was mostly green, anyways. I think their efforts to get people to wear green has paid dividends to the crowd apparel in general.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

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I think Toledo would have the highest rated Dline if they played Oregon St. and UConn in the first two games, too. Purdue will be our toughest test to date, for sure, but important to look at the body of work going into those grades this early in the season.

 

[pumpdog20]

I'm going on record to say I hated BK's response to the poor attendance last Saturday. Basically I'm too important to worry about such things, and fuck those that did come if they are unhappy.
Would it have been so hard to show the fans some love and say hey we love playing in full stadiums, and we love for you to watch us play?

I mean USC isn't even a sell out. I made a donation to the Rockne Club so I can make sure I get tickets, and it wasn't even needed. $218 for a ticket in the upper bowl endzone, and BK can't be bothered to show some love to the fans.

Also, great timing to show your indifference right after "Peacock" weekend and the lack of execution your team has shown in 2 weeks.


Rant over, back to loving BK again.