Sept 12 | Duke

[GATTACA!]

Any word on Kyle?

He didn't even go to the locker room. I'm putting my money on just an ankle sprain.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

He didn't even go to the locker room. I'm putting my money on just an ankle sprain.

No crutches in sight when they showed him sitting on the sideline.

 

[T-Boone]

we got a game in so that is the first positive. Got the win.
I only got to follow on ESPN gamecast but Mayer is a player and Williams sounds promising.

 

[NorthDakota]

Hopefully Hamilton is fine. Mayer rules. Liked what I saw from Tyree and Williams.

Plenty to work on. Book is still Book. Really disappointing that he is apparently as good as it gets in the QB room.

 

[Riddickulous]

Gonna be a big season for TEs, I suspect.

 

[GATTACA!]

Mayer/Tyree 2020

 

[WilliamWallace]

Any Jordan Botelho sightings today?

 

[T-Boone]

Did Jordan Johnston get into the game? If the WRs are unavailable and ordinary its disappointing that he cant force his way into it.

 

[Irish YJ]

The QB cam showed the DB behind Davis, that’s precisely what you want. S cleared out, put the ball on Davis once he makes his cut. QB 101 man. And even after that. The DB stayed behind Davis, throw the ball in front of Davis, at least, see if he can make a play. There was literally nobody in front of him.

Sorry man. Not seeing it. Just did another rewind Not sure where AD is, but if you're talking about opposite hash sideline (far right), in the first view that gives you up to at least the 10, the DB is not behind him. In the reverse view you can't tell until the WR comes out to the left in the EZ, and that was very late in the play.

So I guess he could have launched it to the opposite side of the field to the end zone corner before the WR makes his 1st move (looks like he made 2 moves trying to get open).
And again, Dungy said "great decision".

 

[Old Man Mike]

OK first game for me. Several reasons:
1. First look at a fresh Duke team which we could not scout. This mattered because the QB is actually pretty good.
2. Duke decided to stop the run and see if any ND receivers could get separation. They did that by lining up as if in a normal base but allowing six/seven rushers nearly every play not counting a middle spy. You don't run simple plays against that if you want success. Tony Dungy saw this fairly quickly (by the mid second quarter) and suggested we run misdirection in almost every play. This we did in the second half and Williams was unleashed. The slow transition was on Tommy, but he did make the change.
3. Duke's scheme also caused Book troubles --- the WRs (until Wilkins) COULDN'T get open hardly at all early in routes, and in the first half it had to be early. Every play blitzing was not being picked up (Kyren still has things to learn though he is WILLING to try.) Book felt non-confident in the pocket holding (in my opinion this was understandable.) We got better.
4. The defense almost did what it always does: give up a few crumbs and shuts them out in the second half --- SuperClark almost pulled it off but the QB got one in the second half. If Hamilton is OK (it didn't look bad to me), then we are Finals-Good on D.
5. We're rough. We put about half of Duke's defense in the treatment tent and some of the offense. I hope those guys get well, or we will have defeated them more than once. I doubt that many of Duke's players really enjoyed the game.
6. Kyren Williams.
7. J-O-K
8. Score spread makes no difference. If we win 7-6 every game, the only thing that matters is Clemson (and probably UNC) --- W/L there is the season's glory or not.

What I worry about:
A. Hamilton getting back full go.
B. Tommy adjusting faster to sell-out blitzing and spying the QB at the same time.
C. Kyren seeing the blitz better.
D. Finding receivers who get open. Right now give me Wilkins, Tremble split, and Mayer at TE. plus Avery.
E. (no concern about Ian. He will get more confidence in his receivers and the pocket, and be super by mid-season. It's more about the surroundings than our QB. Tommy should call a few QB runs just to get Book fired up and not thinking about anything than the Moment of the game.)

"Winning is Hard." Coach Kelly.
But we still won.

 

[stpeteirish]

Did Jordan Johnston get into the game? If the WRs are unavailable and ordinary its disappointing that he cant force his way into it.

Joe Wilkins stepped up nicely after the Skowronek injury.

We really didn't play 3 wideouts that much. Used 2 TE's alot and used Kyren in the slot some.

 

[NDty9]

Word from Kelly is, Hamilton just banged up.. could have returned if necessary

 

[Luckylucci]

Sorry man. Not seeing it. Just did another rewind Not sure where AD is, but if you're talking about opposite hash sideline (far right), in the first view that gives you up to at least the 10, the DB is not behind him. In the reverse view you can't tell until the WR comes out to the left in the EZ, and that was very late in the play.

So I guess he could have launched it to the opposite side of the field to the end zone corner before the WR makes his 1st move (looks like he made 2 moves trying to get open).
And again, Dungy said "great decision".

Dude, I have the screen frozen, Davis is running a 15 yard post on the right hash. He has crossed the face of the DB and the goal line. The pockets is perfectly clean. There is no S help and a LB sitting on the 12 yard line. The middle of the field is completely vacated as Mayer has taken two defenders with him. This is an easy ball to throw. This is just more of the same. Book not giving guys chances to make plays because a guy wasn’t WIDE OPEN.

What’s funny is, it looks like Book eventually sees it but now his shoulders are parallel to the LOS and he’s in no position to throw the ball. Classic Book. Bailing on the play technically with a perfectly good pocket as the middle of the field gets vacated and a WR has a chance for a play.

And, if you fast forward a second you’ll notice that Davis is now lined up with the left hash in the back of the end zone with the DB behind (The DB is so much behind him you can’t even see him as Davis covers him up visually, LOL. That is terrible end zone coverage and he was rewarded for it). him but Book has already abandoned the play mentally. No chance to make it. He didn’t see it early and then took himself out of position to make the play later. Very poor QB play there.

 

[Irish YJ]

Dude, I have the screen frozen, Davis is running a 15 yard post on the right hash. He has crossed the face of the DB and the goal line. The pockets is perfectly clean. There is no S help and a LB sitting on the 12 yard line. The middle of the field is completely vacated as Mayer has taken two defenders with him. This is an easy ball to throw. This is just more of the same. Book not giving guys chances to make plays because a guy wasn’t WIDE OPEN.

What’s funny is, it looks like Book eventually sees it but now his shoulders are parallel to the LOS and he’s in no position to throw the ball. Classic Book. Bailing on the play technically with a perfectly good pocket as the middle of the field gets vacated and a WR has a chance for a play.

And, if you fast forward a second you’ll notice that Davis is now lined up with the left hash in the back of the end zone with the DB behind (The DB is so much behind him you can’t even see him as Davis covers him up visually, LOL. That is terrible end zone coverage and he was rewarded for it). him but Book has already abandoned the play mentally. No chance to make it. He didn’t see it early and then took himself out of position to make the play later. Very poor QB play there.

I think we might be talking about different WRs. Is AD out wide on the right (that's who I was looking at mostly because he seemed like the best chance)?

But what I saw from the rest, I didn't see any obvious guys open or beating their guys. I did the rewind several times looking at them all.

Regardless, after several rewinds, I don't see it. And the guys calling the plays with the best views see it different. That's not going to be the case if it's as obvious or as blatant as you're making it out to be.

 

[greyhammer90]

Next week will be big. Was this just shaking off rust or is Book going to overthrow everything?

 

[Luckylucci]

There is only 1 WR running a 15 yard post on the right hash. And there is only one right hash. Not much else to say at this point.

It’s a ball that should’ve been thrown 100% of the time. Throw that early low and in front. Or late and behind. Maybe it gets completed 60-65% of the time but not throwing it gets completed 0% of the time.

 

[Luckylucci]

Next week will be big. Was this just shaking off rust or is Book going to overthrow everything?

I have never expected to see Book as a NFL gunslinger type. But I did expect to have command of the offense. And he clearly still has a long way to go with some basic QB tenets.

 

[Irish YJ]

There is only 1 WR running a 15 yard post on the right hash. And there is only one right hash. Not much else to say at this point.

It’s a ball that should’ve been thrown 100% of the time. Throw that early low and in front. Or late and behind. Maybe it gets completed 60-65% of the time but not throwing it gets completed 0% of the time.

This is the first time I think you've described the route. The DB looks to be running with him the whole time. The DB gave cushion early but looks to be right there when he cuts. And it's not a throw Book can bullet in there that deep. I don't know who the DB was, but that deep a good DB can jump that. Davis is sub 6 foot, so it's not like a 50/50 shot to Claypool.

If anything, I would have thrown to the back right corner of the endzone but that would have to be perfect to.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

I’m drunk enough to not care about all of the mistakes. Gentlemen, we just got to enjoy football. There was a possibility this wasn’t going to happen a month ago. We just got to witness our first conference win.

 

[Luckylucci]

This is the first time I think you've described the route. The DB looks to be running with him the whole time. The DB gave cushion early but looks to be right there when he cuts. And it's not a throw Book can bullet in there that deep. I don't know who the DB was, but that deep a good DB can jump that. Davis is sub 6 foot, so it's not like a 50/50 shot to Claypool.

If anything, I would have thrown to the back right corner of the endzone but that would have to be perfect to.

It’s a 25 yard post throw from where Book is standing. If Book can’t hit that throw them I’m not sure why we’re talking about this. He shouldn’t be playing.

Once he crosses the face of the DB and gets across the GL, he has leverage as the DB’s hips are now turned and he no longer can break on the route. The DB is running a behind him in a bad version of trail technique with no leverage inside. It’d be insanely difficult for him to break on the route, at that point, when going literally through Davis.

 

[Irish YJ]

It’s a 25 yard post throw from where Book is standing. If Book can’t hit that throw them I’m not sure why we’re talking about this. He shouldn’t be playing.

Once he crosses the face of the DB and gets across the GL, he has leverage as the DB’s hips are now turned and he no longer can break on the route. The DB is running a behind him in a bad version of trail technique with no leverage inside. It’d be insanely difficult for him to break on the route when going literally through Davis.

How many 25 yard bullets have you seen Book hit? And how many to a sub 6ft guy. I'm not going to rewind it yet again, because you simply can't get a great view of the coverage from either angle. We can agree to disagree. I'll stay with Dungy's reaction.

 

[Luckylucci]

Wow, we’ve done this going on 2+ years now. WR’s have to literally be running wide open or it’s unreasonable for Book to make a completion. While I watch highlights of QB’s throwing accurate but contested balls at asshole U all the time.

The DB is literally standing behind Davis in the back of the end zone with NOBODY in front of him and the response is, he can’t hit that throw, no big deal. Good grief.

 

[Irish YJ]

Wow, we’ve done this going on 2+ years now. WR’s have to literally be running wide open or it’s unreasonable for Book to make a completion. While I watch highlights of QB’s throwing accurate but contested balls at asshole U all the time.

The DB is literally standing behind Davis in the back of the end zone with NOBODY in front of him and the response is, he can’t hit that throw, no big deal. Good grief.

First, if he's in the back of the EZ, it's closer to 35 than 25 yards. Second, as you noted, you can't see the DB that well (because AD is in front of him) so there's no way to determine how close he is to AD from that view. Third, we're talking about Book (who doesn't have a gun) not Lawrence, and AD who isn't big. It's like "wow" that you can be so adamant on something from a poor QB view with the above issues and personnel.

 

[Luckylucci]

Ha, oh no, 35 yards? What are we talking about here.

Asking our QB to throw a 35 yard TD pass to a WR who has successfully boxed out the DB. What a difficult situation Ian finds himself in.

 

[Irish YJ]

Ha, oh no, 35 yards? What are we talking about here.

Asking our QB to throw a 35 yard TD pass to a WR who has successfully boxed out the DB. What a difficult situation Ian finds himself in.

Come on. Being simply in front of DB doesn't equate to "boxed out" when you're talking 35 yards. And when you can't even judge how far the DB is off the WR, and the DB is sub 6ft, there's simply not enough data.

And if it were so obvious, why does Dungy say good coverage, and great decision? Not saying announcers are always correct, but gonna say Dungy is one of the better ones, and absolutely has a better view.

 

[dad4aa]

Maybe you guys can agree to disagree and move on. This is getting irritating.

 

[ulukinatme]

A struggling pass game can be expected when all your experience graduates/drafts out. Same thing happened in 2016. We still had Kizer throwing the ball, but his targets were pretty much all young or first time starters. There's going to be struggles there. Some guys will have to grow up and step up.

 

[irishff1014]

With limited reps, workouts and meeting due to Covid it was good to see a win and no major injuries. I was worried about the injury part. But we have to cleans some things up with the offense and the db’s.

 

[DONTH8]

A link to a replay of the game for anyone who may want it.

https://youtu.be/xIbTDzJv4x0

 

[Sherm Sticky]

With limited reps, workouts and meeting due to Covid it was good to see a win and no major injuries. I was worried about the injury part. But we have to cleans some things up with the offense and the db’s.

I agree with most of what you wrote. Except I’m not sure I agree with you that somethings need to be cleaned up/fixed on the defensive secondary. What needs to be cleaned up in the secondary in your opinion?


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