Sep 14 | Purdue

[NDWorld247]

It is crazy that not a single person on here will give Garner credit for a) being a good quarterback and/or b) having the game of his life against us. We brought the house, he made plays...why is that so difficult to accept or to understand?

Move on. If you see the same issues in the upcoming weeks, then worry. This talk about balance is the same. I don't care if we throw the ball 1 billion times if it leads to a win.

I don't disagree with anything that BK said today. And of course, he has the advantage of game tape to form his opinions, and 20 plus years of coaching experience on which to hang his hat on. You either trust him to fix it or you don't. It really is that simple.

Not sure what board you've been reading, but Gardner has received an abundance of credit and respect here since Saturday night. Additionally, not one person (that I've seen at least) has called his performance luck or a fluke, which is often the reaction of an irrational fan base to an opposing QB that puts up 41 points on their defense.

But I agree it's time to move on. The story of this year's team is still unwritten, as was last year's team after two games.

Focus on Purdue!

 

[Buster Bluth]

It is crazy that not a single person on here will give Garner credit for a) being a good quarterback and/or b) having the game of his life against us. We brought the house, he made plays...why is that so difficult to accept or to understand?

Move on. If you see the same issues in the upcoming weeks, then worry. This talk about balance is the same. I don't care if we throw the ball 1 billion times if it leads to a win.

I don't disagree with anything that BK said today. And of course, he has the advantage of game tape to form his opinions, and 20 plus years of coaching experience on which to hang his hat on. You either trust him to fix it or you don't. It really is that simple.

wut

 

[GATTACA!]

It is crazy that not a single person on here will give Garner credit for a) being a good quarterback and/or b) having the game of his life against us. We brought the house, he made plays...why is that so difficult to accept or to understand?

Move on. If you see the same issues in the upcoming weeks, then worry. This talk about balance is the same. I don't care if we throw the ball 1 billion times if it leads to a win.

I don't disagree with anything that BK said today. And of course, he has the advantage of game tape to form his opinions, and 20 plus years of coaching experience on which to hang his hat on. You either trust him to fix it or you don't. It really is that simple.

...yeeeeeea? Actually that's basically the only way all of us have been rationalizing our poor defensive performance.

 

[CarrollVermin]

...yeeeeeea? Actually that's basically the only way all of us have been rationalizing our poor defensive performance.

But did it work to move the conversation forward?

 

[GATTACA!]

But did it work to move the conversation forward?

Calling me out on it helps alot too bro

 

[IrishLion]

I laughed when a scUM blogger basically called Gardner a Vince-Young-lite before the game. Now? I think he will turn out to be a terrific pocket passer that can use his mobility well. Haven't seen quite enough of course, but I would say with recent NFL trends that he has a more than decent shot at the league.

 

[Rudy89]

This is one time this year where I hope the games goes more like our 2011 game than our 2012 game.

 

[BGIF]

It is crazy that not a single person on here will give Garner credit for a) being a good quarterback and/or b) having the game of his life against us. We brought the house, he made plays...why is that so difficult to accept or to understand?

Move on. If you see the same issues in the upcoming weeks, then worry. This talk about balance is the same. I don't care if we throw the ball 1 billion times if it leads to a win.

I don't disagree with anything that BK said today. And of course, he has the advantage of game tape to form his opinions, and 20 plus years of coaching experience on which to hang his hat on. You either trust him to fix it or you don't. It really is that simple.

Your hyperbole is as skewed as those of the chicken littles you lament.

" ...not a single person ... "

There were people in the GameDay thread that acknowledged it in real time. There were people in the Post Game Thread that acknowledged it. And there have been people that have done so through today.

Someone had an excellent post today about those that can only express themselves through irrational emotionally charged posts. Don't lump the rest of us in with them when you haven't read the posts.

 

[Irishbounty28]

It is crazy that not a single person on here will give Garner credit for a) being a good quarterback and/or b) having the game of his life against us. We brought the house, he made plays...why is that so difficult to accept or to understand?

Move on. If you see the same issues in the upcoming weeks, then worry. This talk about balance is the same. I don't care if we throw the ball 1 billion times if it leads to a win.

I don't disagree with anything that BK said today. And of course, he has the advantage of game tape to form his opinions, and 20 plus years of coaching experience on which to hang his hat on. You either trust him to fix it or you don't. It really is that simple.

I would agree that most here probably don't care how many times we throw it, "if it leads to a win". That is the first flaw in this statement, it didn't lead to a win. Obviously everyone on here would be reacting differently if we would have won.

The problem is that in the history of Notre Dame football the team is 1 and 10 in games where we throw 50 passes or more, and have lost the three that we attempted 49 passes. Overall that leads to a 1-13 record when attempting 49 passes or more, throughout Notre Dame's entire history.

One can debate whether the lack of balance led to the loss, or was the product of losing. That is why we have IE, to argue over what cannot be explained.

 

[RDU Irish]

We may reverse that ratio on Saturday. Don't throw until they stop the run = never stop running.

 

[PANDFAN]

Staking the box wasn't really the case every play like you make it sound. See link

Even "stacking the box", our RB's averaged close to 6 ypc. We should have ran it more and we should never run a play with an empty backfield with Tommy as QB.

"There's eight guys on the line of scrimmage," Kelly said. "If the box is plus-one and plus-two, there's not much of a running game. When we had two-shell and we had the ability to run the ball, we ran the ball effectively. And then we got behind. We were down two scores. We had to speed the game up and throw the football.

 

[ScooterIrish]

"There's eight guys on the line of scrimmage," Kelly said. "If the box is plus-one and plus-two, there's not much of a running game. When we had two-shell and we had the ability to run the ball, we ran the ball effectively. And then we got behind. We were down two scores. We had to speed the game up and throw the football.

IMO, it's just a lie; they hardly had +2 in the box and counting a slot corner as being in the box is crap. If they are +1 you can pull an OL around to lead (as we did) to get a better matchup.

IMO, we didn't run because Kelly didn't want to run. There is some truth to the playing from behind quote (doesn't explain the period in the first half) but truth is he and Rees want to throw and it won't take much convincing to get them to change run calls to pass calls. When we have a qb in there that can run a bit that can bail things out and make us look "balanced" but the truth is that in a closer game he's going to revert to the pass calls. Just an opinion.

Here's a summary from a XM interview Kelly did (taken from another board):
"I caught the tail end of Kelly interview this afternoon with Rick Neuheisel and Jack Arute. Any mystery of why ND did not run the ball more was taken away by Kelly's answer, which frankly appeared to surprise Neuheisel. Rick asked Kelly if he was surprised that Michigan held ND to 100 yards or so rushing. Kelly said no because Michigan did not hold us to that amount, the game plan was for us to take advantage of match-ups in the passing game and to throw the ball a bunch. Kelly stated that ND could have had more rushing yards if it chose to. Rick again was surprised and then said that if you were going to throw it all over the field you needed a better completion % than 50ish percent. Kellly kind of agreed but also made the point that alot of the throws were intended to be a high risk/high reward so the lower percentage was not all that unexpected. "

Seems to take a different approach to what he said in your quote. I'm done talking about it. Some people will take Kelly at every word. I think Kelly/Martin called a below average game.

 

[BGIF]

ND still -20.5

o/u is down to 49.5

 

[STLcardz-NDirish]

This is where missing on Tee and Darby hurts.

BINGO

 

[Irishman77]

BINGO

If we are living in this world...I would say we miss Justin tuck and Jerome Bettis even more...geesch

 

[UmphreakDomer]

I laughed when a scUM blogger basically called Gardner a Vince-Young-lite before the game. Now? I think he will turn out to be a terrific pocket passer that can use his mobility well. Haven't seen quite enough of course, but I would say with recent NFL trends that he has a more than decent shot at the league.

So Andrew Luck?

 

[RDU Irish]

I'll take the under and ND to cover.

Great interview quote Scooter. What frustrates me is if they game plan for a lot of high risk/high reward b/c that really blows your probabilities out of the water. The big benefit of relying on the run is that it is a more reliable/consistent variable that can sustain drives. High risk also means you risk stalling out more drives and putting yourself in crappy down and distance situations.

However, on paper, the thought of chucking it all over the field to Niklas, Jones, Daniels, Brown, Carlisle... sounds pretty good.

 

[RDU Irish]

If we are living in this world...I would say we miss Justin tuck and Jerome Bettis even more...geesch

Bobby Taylor would have run six of those back for TDs. Nobody completed a pass on him his entire time on campus, even in practice. Then again, he was seven feet tall and shot lighting bolts out of his arse.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

SBNation's Purdue blog Hammer and Rails just published "A Preview of Pain":

Game Outlook:

When I look at this game from a Purdue defense vs. Notre Dame offense perspective I feel like we have a chance. In the first half of games so far the Purdue defense has performed admirably, giving up only 14 points. Unfortunately, since the offense does nothing to help them out they have wilted on the field in the heat. That has led to 35 second half points given up over two games.

The defense is creating turnovers too, and it helps that Rees and ball security have been issues before. Ryan Isaac, Allen, and Frankie Williams each have interceptions, but again, the offense has done nothing with them even when they have come at critical moments of both games.

Fortunately, heat won't be the issue it has been the past two weeks. Unfortunately, the Purdue offense will. It has looked so bad that I feel like the defense has to pitch a shutout in order to give us a chance against good teams, and even then we had better hope for a Special Teams score like last week. I would feel better had Purdue turned both First and Goal situations into touchdowns last week (thus making it a better 31-14 win), but they couldn't do that. Instead they left 11 points on the field against a defense that is far weaker than the one it faces this week.

That is what will likely be the difference. If Purdue's defense produces some early stops the Notre Dame offense knows I can be patient and something will likely develop. The Boilers are like Michigan State with a worse defense. Eventually, cracks start to show like Anthony Brown getting burned twice for touchdowns last week. If Purdue's offense racks up three-and-out after three-and-out early on it will only be further demoralizing. Notre Dame was able to patiently grind Temple into powder and I fear the same for Purdue.

Purdue's only chance lies with an offensive breakout, and nothing I have seen so far has given any indication one is coming.

Remember 1997's stunning upset if:

The defensive line dominates as it did last year
Rees is careless with the football
Purdue gets a special teams or defensive score
The offensive line produces holes for Hunt, Dawkins, and Henry
Henry is able to exploit the soft spots in the zone

The ND record of victory in the series is 48-0 in 1992 and 1970 and may be in jeopardy if:

We see the same terrible offense of the past few weeks
Atkinson and Carlisle are able to run free
Rees throws for 300+ yards and no interceptions
Notre Dame gets a defensive score
Nix rips Henry limb from limb (it is in play)

 

[ThePiombino]

SBNation's Purdue blog Hammer and Rails just published "A Preview of Pain":

Hammer and Nails just got me pumped as hell for this game LMAO

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>RT <a href="https://twitter.com/CEmmaFOX">@CEmmaFOX</a> Bad news for <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Purdue&src=hash">#Purdue</a> as tight end Gabe Holmes suffered a "pretty serious" wrist injury in practice, is out indefinitely.</p>— Anna Hickey (@AnnaHScout) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnnaHScout/statuses/377906601971023872">September 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Bogtrotter07]

IMO, it's just a lie; they hardly had +2 in the box and counting a slot corner as being in the box is crap. If they are +1 you can pull an OL around to lead (as we did) to get a better matchup.

IMO, we didn't run because Kelly didn't want to run. There is some truth to the playing from behind quote (doesn't explain the period in the first half) but truth is he and Rees want to throw and it won't take much convincing to get them to change run calls to pass calls. When we have a qb in there that can run a bit that can bail things out and make us look "balanced" but the truth is that in a closer game he's going to revert to the pass calls. Just an opinion.

Here's a summary from a XM interview Kelly did (taken from another board):
"I caught the tail end of Kelly interview this afternoon with Rick Neuheisel and Jack Arute. Any mystery of why ND did not run the ball more was taken away by Kelly's answer, which frankly appeared to surprise Neuheisel. Rick asked Kelly if he was surprised that Michigan held ND to 100 yards or so rushing. Kelly said no because Michigan did not hold us to that amount, the game plan was for us to take advantage of match-ups in the passing game and to throw the ball a bunch. Kelly stated that ND could have had more rushing yards if it chose to. Rick again was surprised and then said that if you were going to throw it all over the field you needed a better completion % than 50ish percent. Kellly kind of agreed but also made the point that alot of the throws were intended to be a high risk/high reward so the lower percentage was not all that unexpected. "

Seems to take a different approach to what he said in your quote. I'm done talking about it. Some people will take Kelly at every word. I think Kelly/Martin called a below average game.

I feel your pain. And you are correct.

I wish I had the numbers. M had 8 or 9 in the box less than a handful of times. In the second half they were playing their safeties fifteen yards off. I don't care what anyone says. We never had less than second and six, all night if we ran on first down. We had 12 out of 23 first down passes go incomplete, and a sack.

The game plan was stupid. I am okay with that. The lying and bull shiit afterwards, I am not! I am not talking about a single commentator, or member of any board. Nobody got quotes wrong, or misinterpreted anything. You are all right. This is the third set of lies that I have heard, and it is now beyond old!

Set one: Diaco Freddy Kruger - he stood right up behind the mike and denied what he said until someone mentioned we had all seen the tape. (Who would care, until someone lied about something so stupid?)

Set two: The Philly thing, I just don't even need to go any farther on this . . .

And then the Michigan game. Go out and play. Get your @ss handed to you. It happens. But don't try to bull shiit your way out of the corner! Take responsibility for screwing the pooch, maybe you enjoyed it!

PS. I don't put much credibility to the playing from behind as an excuse for not running. We had two scores at fourteen minutes and one score at ten minutes. With the way we were gashing them when we ran we could have been our own best friends and helped our defense by running!

 

[CanadalovesND]

Purdue will be without their offensive player on Saturday, TE Gabe Holmes.

Makes things much easier defensively for ND.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>RT <a href="https://twitter.com/CEmmaFOX">@CEmmaFOX</a> Bad news for <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Purdue&src=hash">#Purdue</a> as tight end Gabe Holmes suffered a "pretty serious" wrist injury in practice, is out indefinitely.</p>— Anna Hickey (@AnnaHScout) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnnaHScout/statuses/377906601971023872">September 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Purdue will be without their offensive player on Saturday, TE Gabe Holmes.

Makes things much easier defensively for ND.

thank goodness for 4g service in America

 

[cody1smith]

I feel your pain. And you are correct.

I wish I had the numbers. M had 8 or 9 in the box less than a handful of times. In the second half they were playing their safeties fifteen yards off. I don't care what anyone says. We never had less than second and six, all night if we ran on first down. We had 12 out of 23 first down passes go incomplete, and a sack.

The game plan was stupid. I am okay with that. The lying and bull shiit afterwards, I am not! I am not talking about a single commentator, or member of any board. Nobody got quotes wrong, or misinterpreted anything. You are all right. This is the third set of lies that I have heard, and it is now beyond old!

Set one: Diaco Freddy Kruger - he stood right up behind the mike and denied what he said until someone mentioned we had all seen the tape. (Who would care, until someone lied about something so stupid?)

Set two: The Philly thing, I just don't even need to go any farther on this . . .

And then the Michigan game. Go out and play. Get your @ss handed to you. It happens. But don't try to bull shiit your way out of the corner! Take responsibility for screwing the pooch, maybe you enjoyed it!

PS. I don't put much credibility to the playing from behind as an excuse for not running. We had two scores at fourteen minutes and one score at ten minutes. With the way we were gashing them when we ran we could have been our own best friends and helped our defense by running!

EVER THINK THAT PART PF THE REASON THE RUN WAS WORKING SO GOOD 1 IN 15 PLAYS IS BECAUSE IS WAS 1 IN 15 PLAYS?

 

[Irish#1]

It's Wednesday, over the hump day. Also known as over the scUM game day. Purdue is on the schedule this Saturday. Anyone want to talk about how the Boilers are going to get rolled?

 

[koonja]

Apparently the Chicago Blackhawks stopped by practice today:

Michael Deeb ‏@MichaelDeeb42 2h

Great to have champions at our practice today! Thanks to the Chicago Blackhawks for coming through!

 

[jakerbluegold]

It's Wednesday, over the hump day. Also known as over the scUM game day. Purdue is on the schedule this Saturday. Anyone want to talk about how the Boilers are going to get rolled?

Yes, and please.

 

[jakerbluegold]

On a side note, was getting trained on a medication distribution system today by a nurse who was from Davenport Iowa.

Mentioned I was a big ND fan, and she told me one of her best friends when she was younger was Johnny Lujack's daughter, and she'd been to a couple of games with them back in the day.

Friggin' amazing, the luck of some people.

He lives in Bettendorf Iowa now, and at the age of 88, is still constantly asked for autographs.

 

[ndyeater]

Live about 5 minutes from Bettendorf and its very true...he is asked every day...let me add in that hes kind of grumpy nowadays lol