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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Breaking News: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LSU?src=hash">#LSU</a> football slapped with recruiting sanctions after recruit last fall de-commits, records show - <a href="http://t.co/LmCVytKr83">http://t.co/LmCVytKr83</a></p>— Ross Dellenger (@DellengerAdv) <a href="https://twitter.com/DellengerAdv/status/571057845791117312">February 26, 2015</a></blockquote>
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A recruit’s decision not to enroll at LSU after signing a financial aid agreement has the football program in some hot water.
LSU is banned from signing early enrollee recruits to financial aid agreements for the next two years, and the program will be stripped of 10 percent of its recruiting evaluation days in 2015, according to public records obtained by The Advocate.
The penalties, handed down by the Southeastern Conference and reported by the school Feb. 3, stem from a violation that occurred this fall involving an unnamed recruit.
The recruit signed a financial aid agreement with LSU intending to enroll early in January, but he decided not to enroll at the school. That makes at least some of LSU’s unlimited contact with the prospect illegal.
LSU officials declined comment.
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Matt Womack, an offensive tackle from Mississippi, signed a financial aid agreement with LSU in August intending to enroll at the school in January. Instead, Womack de-committed — as hundreds of prospects do each year — and signed a National Letter of Intent with Alabama in February.
Financial aid agreements, instituted by the NCAA in the fall of 2013, allow high school seniors who plan to enroll early to sign with that school starting Aug. 1 of their senior years.
A financial aid agreement doesn’t bind the player to that particular school like a National Letter of Intent does, but it affords coaches of that school unlimited contact with the signee — contact that would normally be considered against NCAA rules.
The NCAA modified the financial aid agreement (FAA) in April. It continued to allowed schools “relaxed recruiting rules” for prospects who signed an financial aid agreement, but it also warned schools that they could be penalized for recruiting violations if that prospect did not eventually enroll in that school.
David Womack, Matt Womack’s father, told The Clarion-Ledger in the fall that LSU coaches were not planning to contact his son on an unlimited basis because Matt wasn’t completely firm on enrolling early or on his commitment to LSU.
“LSU is not using (the FAA) because if Matt was to change his mind they would have to report it,” David Womack told The Clarion-Ledger.
It’s unclear if any other recruit — outside of Matt Womack and the four early enrollees — signed financial aid agreements with LSU in the fall.
Either way, the Tigers are paying the price for a teenager’s decision.
LSU will lose 21 of 210 evaluation days in 2015 (17 in the spring and four in the fall). An evaluation day is defined by the NCAA as any off-campus activity designed to assess the academic qualifications or athletics ability of a recruit, including any visit to a recruit’s school or the observation of a recruit participating in any practice or competition.
What’s bigger than the loss of evaluation days? For two cycles, coaches can’t issues financial aid agreements to prospects, a serious disadvantage. During the same time, other schools can sign prospects to FAA, thus receiving unlimited contact with them.
For example, LSU’s four early enrollees in the 2015 recruiting class signed FAAs. Fullback David Ducre, quarterback Justin McMillan, tight end Hanner Shipley and cornerback Kevin Toliver II were able to take phone calls, home visits and other unlimited recruiting contact from LSU coaches this fall.
Over the same time period, coaches had to follow strict NCAA rules when contacting other recruits and eventual signees like Warren Easton receiver Tyron Johnson or Catholic running back Derrius Guice.
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A recruit’s decision not to enroll at LSU after signing a financial aid agreement has the football program in some hot water.
LSU is banned from signing early enrollee recruits to financial aid agreements for the next two years, and the program will be stripped of 10 percent of its recruiting evaluation days in 2015, according to public records obtained by The Advocate.
The penalties, handed down by the Southeastern Conference and reported by the school Feb. 3, stem from a violation that occurred this fall involving an unnamed recruit.
The recruit signed a financial aid agreement with LSU intending to enroll early in January, but he decided not to enroll at the school. That makes at least some of LSU’s unlimited contact with the prospect illegal.
LSU officials declined comment.
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Matt Womack, an offensive tackle from Mississippi, signed a financial aid agreement with LSU in August intending to enroll at the school in January. Instead, Womack de-committed — as hundreds of prospects do each year — and signed a National Letter of Intent with Alabama in February.
Financial aid agreements, instituted by the NCAA in the fall of 2013, allow high school seniors who plan to enroll early to sign with that school starting Aug. 1 of their senior years.
A financial aid agreement doesn’t bind the player to that particular school like a National Letter of Intent does, but it affords coaches of that school unlimited contact with the signee — contact that would normally be considered against NCAA rules.
The NCAA modified the financial aid agreement (FAA) in April. It continued to allowed schools “relaxed recruiting rules” for prospects who signed an financial aid agreement, but it also warned schools that they could be penalized for recruiting violations if that prospect did not eventually enroll in that school.
David Womack, Matt Womack’s father, told The Clarion-Ledger in the fall that LSU coaches were not planning to contact his son on an unlimited basis because Matt wasn’t completely firm on enrolling early or on his commitment to LSU.
“LSU is not using (the FAA) because if Matt was to change his mind they would have to report it,” David Womack told The Clarion-Ledger.
It’s unclear if any other recruit — outside of Matt Womack and the four early enrollees — signed financial aid agreements with LSU in the fall.
Either way, the Tigers are paying the price for a teenager’s decision.
LSU will lose 21 of 210 evaluation days in 2015 (17 in the spring and four in the fall). An evaluation day is defined by the NCAA as any off-campus activity designed to assess the academic qualifications or athletics ability of a recruit, including any visit to a recruit’s school or the observation of a recruit participating in any practice or competition.
What’s bigger than the loss of evaluation days? For two cycles, coaches can’t issues financial aid agreements to prospects, a serious disadvantage. During the same time, other schools can sign prospects to FAA, thus receiving unlimited contact with them.
For example, LSU’s four early enrollees in the 2015 recruiting class signed FAAs. Fullback David Ducre, quarterback Justin McMillan, tight end Hanner Shipley and cornerback Kevin Toliver II were able to take phone calls, home visits and other unlimited recruiting contact from LSU coaches this fall.
Over the same time period, coaches had to follow strict NCAA rules when contacting other recruits and eventual signees like Warren Easton receiver Tyron Johnson or Catholic running back Derrius Guice.
Follow Ross Dellenger on Twitter @DellengerAdv.
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This whole thing is ridiculous. The NCAA allows the school unlimited contact with a player after he's signed a non-binding (for the player) FAA, but then punishes the school for impermissible contact IF the player later changes his mind and doesn't sign with that school. What's the school supposed to do? They're retroactively punishing a program for something that was 100% permissible at the time.
It's about like a girl willingly and enthusiastically sleeping with you, but then tomorrow changing her mind and having you arrested for rape. I'm no LSU fan, but they're getting screwed here.
It's about like a girl willingly and enthusiastically sleeping with you, but then tomorrow changing her mind and having you arrested for rape. I'm no LSU fan, but they're getting screwed here.
So a recruit like CeCe Jefferson could verbal, sign a financial aid agreement with Auburn, then send in his NLI to Florida and screw Auburn?
Roquan Smith has signed his financial aid papers with Georgia, but refuses to sign his NLI. He plans on enrolling at Georgia, though. But if he flipped before the fall....
If Womack had just not signed his NLI, it would all be good.
The NLI needs to change.
Roquan Smith has signed his financial aid papers with Georgia, but refuses to sign his NLI. He plans on enrolling at Georgia, though. But if he flipped before the fall....
If Womack had just not signed his NLI, it would all be good.
The NLI needs to change.
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The school isn't being punished because the player signed a financial aid agreement and then signed a NLI somewhere else. They're being punished because they had unlimited contact with the recruit after he signed the FAA (allowed by NCAA rules), but when he flipped and signed a NLI elsewhere, that unlimited contact retroactively becomes a violation due to the fact that some of it occurred during otherwise no-contact time.
Basically, the NCAA says that when a player signs an FAA with you, you can treat him as though he's already part of your program and have unlimited contact with him, the same as with a recruit who's signed his NLI on NSD. The problem is that the FAA is completely non-binding on the player's part and they can sign FAA's with several schools. If he later signs elsewhere on NSD, the NCAA essentially says, "Ahh, he wasn't really part of your program after all, and all that unlimited contact after he signed an FAA is now a violation."
LSU did what the rules allowed them to do when Womack signed an FAA with them. When he changed his mind and signed with Bama, the NCAA says that makes LSU's contact with him (100% permissible at the time) a serious violation. I don't care if that happened to Jihad State or even Auburn, it's bullshit and grossly unfair.
Basically, the NCAA says that when a player signs an FAA with you, you can treat him as though he's already part of your program and have unlimited contact with him, the same as with a recruit who's signed his NLI on NSD. The problem is that the FAA is completely non-binding on the player's part and they can sign FAA's with several schools. If he later signs elsewhere on NSD, the NCAA essentially says, "Ahh, he wasn't really part of your program after all, and all that unlimited contact after he signed an FAA is now a violation."
LSU did what the rules allowed them to do when Womack signed an FAA with them. When he changed his mind and signed with Bama, the NCAA says that makes LSU's contact with him (100% permissible at the time) a serious violation. I don't care if that happened to Jihad State or even Auburn, it's bullshit and grossly unfair.
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Agreed. We complain all the time that the NCAA is way too lenient, especially in the SEC, but this is just flat out stupid. We can't trust these ass-clowns to get it right on either side of the spectrum. God, this association needs to be canned pronto. Pieces of useless anal waste.
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So is the premise that you should be very selective in who u give the early grant agreements too?
What's the real risk they are trying to prevent? A school having 100 kids sign these so they have unlimited contact with all their targets?
What's the real risk they are trying to prevent? A school having 100 kids sign these so they have unlimited contact with all their targets?
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Certainly. Which school, once a recruit signs a financial aid agreement, is not going to take advantage of unlimited contact?
A couple of years ago, Josh Malone, Hootie Jones and Dalvin Cook signed multiple financial aid agreements. The NCAA then decided that only the first school with whom a prospect signed the FAA could have the unlimited contact. The NCAA says FAAs are outside of their control, but LOIs are. (Jones had signed FAAs with Alabama and LSU and signed his LOI with Alabama). So, LSU gets Womack to sign the FAA so they can have unlimited contact and have the advantage over Alabama this year.
Sounds like the NCAA recruiting regulations can be like the tax codes - full of complications, loopholes and penalties.
Solutions: An early signing period would do it. Or, get rid of the LOI and risk a bit of uncertainty. It's totally to the advantage of the schools.
Where's the Power 5 decision-makers when you need them? I'll bet they push for resolutions.
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It's even more than just unlimited recruiting contact. If a player has signed an FAA and is supposed to become an early entrant in January, the school would undoubtedly be having extensive contact with him just to arrange housing, orientation, get his classes scheduled, and a dozen other things related to getting him set up to arrive on campus and enrolled.
Also worth pointing out is that recruits who enroll early never sign a NLI. The three who signed multiple FAAs in 2014 - Jones, Malone, and Cook - all enrolled early as Womack intended.
For whatever reason, Womack did not enroll early at Alabama and would then not have signed a LOI. When he did sign on NSD, that triggered the violation for LSU because of the unlimited contact.
Teams like Stanford who do not accept early enrollees do not have to worry about these violations.
For whatever reason, Womack did not enroll early at Alabama and would then not have signed a LOI. When he did sign on NSD, that triggered the violation for LSU because of the unlimited contact.
Teams like Stanford who do not accept early enrollees do not have to worry about these violations.
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I find nothing wrong with that. Provided that he also paid attention. In fact, I'm disappointed none of my classmates did that.
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we have no QB and the schedule is extremely tough, so a down season with a 10-2 record is on the cards...lol
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And if LSU dares broach the subject, we’re treated to you shitlord poopjackals coming over here and blessing us with your wisdom on the subject since we’re so unenlightened and uncomprehending.
This has been going on for some time now and it’s even a running theme over at the sea slug brain emporium and pond scum factory called Roll Bama Roll."
"Alabama’s 2015 schedule may be one of the toughest of any team in the last decade."
and
"LSU fans complain and Bammers call them a bunch of crybabies complaining about everything and they need to toughen up and deal with it like that stupid dead coach who was a shitty human being would’ve.
And if LSU dares broach the subject, we’re treated to you shitlord poopjackals coming over here and blessing us with your wisdom on the subject since we’re so unenlightened and uncomprehending.
This has been going on for some time now and it’s even a running theme over at the sea slug brain emporium and pond scum factory called Roll Bama Roll."