Scientists Find Giant Black Hole

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To me, the most amazing thing is that we have developed a way to observe and comprehend these things, (respective to incredible distances and mind numbing sizes and quantities.)

On that note... <iframe width="480" height="373" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" id="nyt_video_player" title="New York Times Video - Embed Player" src="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/bcvideo/1.0/iframe/embed.html?videoId=100000003552687&playerType=embed"></iframe>
 

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The craziest thing to me was what scientists found with the Hubble Ultra Deep thing. They pointed the Hubble at a spot that appeared to be just blackness in the sky. After 12 days, they found 10,000+ galaxies. It was 1/10 millionths of the night sky. So much is out there.
 

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Space, by definition, is never-ending, right? There are infinite possibilities as it pertains to what is out there.

Or, when someone references the universe expanding, is there some "event horizon" out there where space (as we know it) is preceded by a void of nothingness, which will soon be filled by space?
 

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Space, by definition, is never-ending, right? There are infinite possibilities as it pertains to what is out there.

Or, when someone references the universe expanding, is there some "event horizon" out there where space (as we know it) is preceded by a void of nothingness, which will soon be filled by space?

This is what has always been difficult for my simple minded brain to comprehend. What's past the edge of space? What is past that? and so on...
 

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This is what has always been difficult for my simple minded brain to comprehend. What's past the edge of space? What is past that? and so on...

I always thought of it like a Mario level in my head. There has to be a point where you travel into the edge, and then simply find yourself on the complete opposite side of space, where you started, right?
 

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I always thought of it like a Mario level in my head. There has to be a point where you travel into the edge, and then simply find yourself on the complete opposite side of space, where you started, right?

If that was the case those two points would have to connect, wouldn't they? if that is the case it would be more like a planet (sphere) which would beg the question, what is on the outside of the sphere? Another universe?
 

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If that was the case those two points would have to connect, wouldn't they? if that is the case it would be more like a planet (sphere) which would beg the question, what is on the outside of the sphere? Another universe?

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A little closer to home

Mars has lost an Arctic Ocean's worth of water - CBS News

Scientists have known for a while that Mars was once wet, but just how wet remained a mystery.

Now, NASA scientists for the first time have calculated that the Red Planet held more water than the Arctic Ocean. Using powerful telescopes to measure signatures of water in the planet's atmosphere, they estimated that in its youth, the planet would have probably had an ocean more than a mile deep covering almost half of its northern hemisphere.

The scientists, writing in Thursday's issue of Science, said there would have been enough water to cover the entire surface of the planet in a liquid layer about 450 feet (137 meters) deep.

"Our study provides a solid estimate of how much water Mars once had, by determining how much water was lost to space," said Geronimo Villanueva, first author of the paper and a scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland. "With this work, we can better understand the history of water on Mars."

NASA's Michael Mumma, the second author on the paper, said their work builds on the earlier findings from NASA's Curiosity rover that Mars was contained water 1.5 billion years ago, and extends the timeline further back on account of the new findings.

"With Mars losing that much water, the planet was very likely wet for a longer period of time than previously thought, suggesting the planet might have been habitable for longer," Mumma said.

To unravel the water mystery, NASA scientists used the world's three major infrared telescopes - one at the W.M. Keck Observatory, the NASA Infrared Telescope Facility and the Very Large Telescope - to study water molecules in the Martian atmosphere.

"From the ground, we can actually take a snapshot of the whole hemisphere of the planet on a single night," Mumma said.

They looked at two slightly different forms of water - H2O and HDO, a naturally occurring variation in which one hydrogen is replaced by a heavier form, called deuterium. Unlike normal hydrogen, which is lost to space, the deuterium remains trapped in the Martian atmosphere.

The team was especially interested in regions near the north and south poles because the polar ice caps are the planet's largest known reservoir of water. The water stored there is a window onto the history and evolution of Mars' water from the wet Noachian period, which ended about 3.7 billion years ago, to the present.

"Now we know that Mars' water is much more enriched than terrestrial ocean water in the heavy form of water," Mumma said. "Immediately that permits us to estimate the amount of water Mars has lost since it was young."

They found the atmospheric water in the near-polar region was enriched with deuterium, indicating that Mars had lost a tremendous quantity of water. Mars must have lost a volume of water 6.5 times larger than the present polar caps to provide such large enrichment.

Based on their calculations, the scientists estimate that Mars has lost 87 percent of its ancient ocean to space and that the remaining 13 percent is likely stored in the polar ice caps.

Taking into account the surface of Mars today, a likely location for this water would be in the Northern Plains, which has long been considered a good candidate because of the low-lying ground. An ancient ocean there would have covered about 20 percent of the planet's surface. By comparison, the Atlantic Ocean occupies 17 percent of Earth's surface.

"This ocean had a maximum depth of around 5,000 feet or around one mile deep," Villanueva said. "It's deep - not as deep as the deepest points of our oceans, but comparable to the average depth of the Mediterranean Sea."

By combining the Martian topography with the estimates of water loss, the researchers were able to simulate an ancient ocean on Mars and its escape into space.

As Mars lost its atmosphere over billions of years, the researchers believe it lost the pressure and heat needed to keep water liquid. That caused the ocean to shrink and recede northward, with the remaining water condensing and freezing over the north and south poles and giving Mars the ice caps seen today.
 

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MN: I ASSUME that the last sentence is high humor... I wonder how many Americans would get the joke?

If it's not humor then my assessment of the predictability of String Theory deductions [if there are any] must be ready to receive a significant consciousness expansion.

What I always found interesting about astrophysics is that most things occur in time scales that we can never actually observe what's happening. Rather, there's so much out there that there's functionally limitless amounts of observations that can be made in systems all occurring at different astronomical life cycles, which you can than make deductions about.
 

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I can't even comprehend in my mind how something could be 12 BILLION times larger than our Sun.

I have a hard time comparing the size of Earth to the size of the Sun in my head as it is.

Imagine the Sun as a beach ball that's 31 inches in diameter and sitting on the goal line of a football field. The Earth is a 1/3 inch diameter English pea sitting on the 7 yard line at the other end of the field 93 yards away and the moon would be a BB about 9 inches away from it.
 

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Imagine the Sun as a beach ball that's 31 inches in diameter and sitting on the goal line of a football field. The Earth is a 1/3 inch diameter English pea sitting on the 7 yard line at the other end of the field 93 yards away and the moon would be a BB about 9 inches away from it.


When I think about this, the thing that strikes me is the weirdness of gravity. I think gravity is hard to fathom sitting on earth, because the way we experience it here is seemingly just the natural state of things - like, we actually do experience it as a super strong force (just try jumping to see how quickly the earth's gravity pulls you back), but it doesn't seem like we do. It is hard for me to imagine being in a vacuum and then adding objects to it and seeing their gravitational fields interact.
 

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Is this related to Duncan YO-YOs and Walking The Dog?

I mean, I mean, I mean --- Butterfly YO-YOs were pretty damn rad!

On a serious note: I love the images, the technology that led to them and the unending human drive to explore, innovate and broaden horizons.
 

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Is this related to Duncan YO-YOs and Walking The Dog?

I mean, I mean, I mean --- Butterfly YO-YOs were pretty damn rad!

On a serious note: I love the images, the technology that led to them and the unending human drive to explore, innovate and broaden horizons.


Always pegged you as an Imperial guy, not a Butterfly one.
 

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On that note... <iframe width="480" height="373" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" id="nyt_video_player" title="New York Times Video - Embed Player" src="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/bcvideo/1.0/iframe/embed.html?videoId=100000003552687&playerType=embed"></iframe>

That's my cousin; Patrick Kelly.....making the family proud!
 

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I knew all about this light years ago.

I took advantage of being caught in a time warp again ...
 

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<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/YuIGwtKrdUY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
 

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It's just a jump to the left ...

... and then a jump to the right ...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/umj0gu5nEGs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
 

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... and then a jump to the right ...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/umj0gu5nEGs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Probably best you posted the video. People were probably wondering what we were talking about. :)
 
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I can recall sitting on a hillside taking a break with my team, we were barnstorming playing money softball tournaments {great memories of simpler times}, when our centerfielder treated us to the following astronomical wisdom:

"I can't tell if Space are round, but I know that Pie are round.
Someone tried to tell me once that Pie are squared. "

He then, among other enlightenments, told us that The Sun rises earlier in the country than the city.

Life has never been the same.
 

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... People were probably wondering what we were talking about. :)

I'm an adherent of transparency, be it in politics, theology, philosophy, economics, sociology or quirks.

I'd rather not waste my brief time on this sphere and in this realm, but I do.

A good giggle can equal a galaxy in my warped world.
 

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Said it launched at 1633 EST, but at 1635 there's no video feed ("live event has ended.") Said the touchdown should be 9 minutes after that---I wonder why they're not broadcasting video throughout.
 

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Said it launched at 1633 EST, but at 1635 there's no video feed ("live event has ended.") Said the touchdown should be 9 minutes after that---I wonder why they're not broadcasting video throughout.

Nm, storm approaching so they're trying tomorrow.
 

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It seems like people have been viewing this as a "meh" type event. If they could start reaching their goal of successfully recovering 50% of their rockets after takeoff... then we could very well be entering into a renaissance era of space travel. In their own words;



SpaceX to try to land rocket on floating platform - CNN.com

Count me as one of the excited. I have one of SpaceX's pictures as my wallpaper (they released a whole album on flickr).
 
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