Rumored Violations

[Bogtrotter07]

Reading between the lines here, this is how big institutions act when they're afraid of getting sued. Everything is extremely formal, certified mail only, etc. I'm hoping this is just the influence of the Office of General Counsel, but it may also indicate that ND is truly worried about getting sued over this.

There are a number of ND alum in your profession that have made it clear that their services would be available for any of these students. They are alumni interested in administration change, too. Some pretty effective, knowledgeable, capable individuals.

If a friend of mine who is an active alum could name names, and quote quotes, so, I will wager can members of the administration! Food for thought.

"What makes an angry crowd with pitchforks dangerous, is not the pitchfork, its that nobody is interested in telling them to put it down!"

Bogtrotter 10-01-14

And oh, yes. Not wanting to return the players for Stanford for causing the delay is out of the equation. Unless there is pretty substantial proof that these players were actively cheating, no one is going to side with the school against the players, no matter what the outcome.

 

[ACamp1900]

the case against each guy should stand on its own merits as pertains to that guy--not have to fit into some interconnected theory the council may have.

Scenario- Play 'A' gives them one story... they clear him... and use bits of his story to presumably condemn others.... then players 'B', 'C", 'D', and 'E' all give them a completely different story that blows player "A"s up...

oops.

 

[ND NYC]

This. Not really sure why some can't understand this concept.







Not when there all multiple, interconnecting stories to account for. Makes total sense.

"stories" to me equals hearsay.
so youre really saying ND wants each guy to either exonorate or prove the guilt of the others?
IMO it should be ND having FACTS to rule on (that were accumulated during their investigation, that ended Aug 28) for them to let these kids know the charges against EACH GUY, based on those gathered FACTS they uncovered for EACH guy.
and then each kid can tell his side of his OWN case. and council should rule on that individual.

anything else is a codified witch hunt

 

[Cackalacky]

TLDR

 

[Bogtrotter07]

understood but its distrubing they told KVR per his tweet that they need to finish up all the others before telling him his fate.

If his only valid charge is whether or not he turned others in for cheating, then wouldn't it make sense that he couldn't be found guilty if they were not?

 

[ThePiombino]

"stories" to me equals hearsay.
so youre really saying ND wants each guy to either exonorate or prove the guilt of the others?
IMO it should be ND having FACTS to rule on (that were accumulated during their investigation, that ended Aug 28) for them to let these kids know the charges against EACH GUY, based on those gathered FACTS they uncovered for EACH guy.
and then each kid can tell his side of his OWN case. and council should rule on that individual.

anything else is a codified witch hunt

Semantics. Stories, accounts, testimony. Call it what you will. These offenses are not mutually exclusive of one another. ACamp just gave a perfect example of why all hearings should be had before a ruling.

 

[ND NYC]

Scenario- Play 'A' gives them one story... they clear him... and use bits of his story to presumably condemn others.... then players 'B', 'C", 'D', and 'E' all give them a completely different story that blows player "A"s up...

oops.

i thought these kids fates would be decided by the facts uncovered in the investiagtion. not the "stories" the others would or could say about them.
the burden of proof is on ND, here....isnt it?

 

[ACamp1900]

"stories" to me equals hearsay.
so youre really saying ND wants each guy to either exonorate or prove the guilt of the others?
IMO it should be ND having FACTS to rule on (that were accumulated during their investigation, that ended Aug 28) for them to let these kids know the charges against EACH GUY, based on those gathered FACTS they uncovered for EACH guy.
and then each kid can tell his side of his OWN case. and council should rule on that individual.

anything else is a codified witch hunt

I'm not saying that's their goal... but you never want to put yourself in the situation I presented, that simple.

 

[ND NYC]

I'm not saying that's their goal... but you never want to put yourself in the situation I presented, that simple.

dont disagree there.
what a mess.
GO IRISH!

 

[Irish#1]

I just hope they use FedEx Next Day AM delivery.

 

[Cackalacky]

"stories" to me equals hearsay.
so youre really saying ND wants each guy to either exonorate or prove the guilt of the others?
IMO it should be ND having FACTS to rule on (that were accumulated during their investigation, that ended Aug 28) for them to let these kids know the charges against EACH GUY, based on those gathered FACTS they uncovered for EACH guy.
and then each kid can tell his side of his OWN case. and council should rule on that individual.

anything else is a codified witch hunt

I don't think this is really applicable. Especially if they shared materials or documents or received the same benefit from multiple people. Like ACamp said you can't rule on one and then have the others contradict your ruling.

 

[phgreek]

I just hope they use FedEx Next Day AM delivery.

or ya call him in...summarize...and send mail for records...kinda like most everyone dealing with personnel issues...WTF?

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I just hope they use FedEx Next Day AM delivery.

All this wait, only to find out the mail is a certificate verifying a year long membership in the jelly of the month club......

 

[ThePiombino]

or ya call him in...summarize...and send mail for records...kinda like most everyone dealing with personnel issues...WTF?

I'm no lawyer, but I don't see the problem with this.

 

[MNIrishman]

I'm no lawyer, but I don't see the problem with this.

Not sure why everyone is so upset about the mail thing. It's maybe 12 hours slower. Over the course of a months-long investigation, that's really not a big deal.

 

[MNIrishman]

I just hope they use FedEx Next Day AM delivery.

The letter would be sent using on-campus mail. If sent in the morning, it would be in the players' hands by the afternoon.

 

[koonja]

Chipper got bit by a porcupine (italics). But I'm out and can't check. Can someone pm me wha hats going on?

 

[Irish#1]

The letter would be sent using on-campus mail. If sent in the morning, it would be in the players' hands by the afternoon.

Obviously after all this time what would another day or two mean in the grand scheme of things?

Guess I should have used italics!

 

[Irishbounty28]

Too bad Trial by Combat was not an option.

 

[IrishCat]

I just hope they use FedEx Next Day AM delivery.

 

[IrishInFl]

I heard the letters are being sent this way...

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

 

[koonja]

I can recognize a member of the squad anywhere, but who are the other two? Hardy and Moore?

 

[koonja]

So KVR had his hearings yesterday, I assume others had them today, KVR says we're still waiting, DD and PD have ambiguous, yet positive tweets, and Kelly's conference is tomorrow.

KVR's comments are about what I expected. Today was a positive day IMO.

 

[IrishDevil]

So the only thing we know for sure is FUCK MICHIGAN ?

 

[Fbolt]

I get the need for separation between FB and Academics. However, the speed with which this process has taken place is inexcusable, especially when considering the trauma/stigma placed on these student-athletes - regardless of their guilt or innocence.

They've all handled it better than I would have. BS.

 

[koonja]

Saw on Rivals that ND law grads have been offering the families pro bono help on this.

 

[connor_in]

Too bad Trial by Wombat was not an option.

Fify

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I can recognize a member of the squad anywhere, but who are the other two? Hardy and Moore?

You lost me lol.

Side note if DD is not coming back. Brent needs to play and play now. If hes what Koon and I think he is, he aint sticking around for a 5th anyways.

 

[aubeirish]

Saw on Rivals that ND law grads have been offering the families pro bono help on this.

LOL.