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How can you spend so much time on the internet that you become a mod, but be unaware of the Navy Seal paragraphs? The mind boggles.
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Well, I didn't and I don't spend much time on the internet particularly 4chan or reddit. I apparently am out of touch. The truth is that i am pretty busy in my real life and I only really hang here, so boggle away.....
 
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Omg the internet gets weirder and weirder.

Also, "guerrilla" warfare, right guys? Not "gorilla". Get it right or pay the price. I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the navy seals ... Etc. etc.

While I am at it, same with "core." It's "wide receiver corps," "line backing corps". Not "core". "Core" makes no fucking sense and it makes me want to wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which ... And so on and so forth.
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One of my friends posted a pic of himself with the Vandy baseball coach and said "got to meet one of my idles tonight". When i posted, "idles"? He deleted it. There were several comments about him getting a boner by standing next to him he did not erase. So, apparently, remarks about public erections are okay, but to question his spelling was just too egregious.
 
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Another day for the administration to sit on it's hands. It's fun, isn't it!
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How can you blame the admin for being slow when you cannot prove this doesn't go back to the Larry Craig scandal? Must check everything forever!
 
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TheChosen1 said:
Day 51
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Just when you think this thread has seen it all, a guy gets banned and immediately reinstated. Can't wait to see what happens today.
 
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Serious question, on topic. I've asked this before but haven't seen it answered.

If this whole thing takes forever either due to administrative incompetence or just plain "that's how long it takes," why weren't we sitting here a year ago wondering what was going to happen with Everett Golson? There was no press conference 50+ days before he was dismissed from the university, he just was. ND has suspended players before and it's never taken this long, and I feel like deep systematic flaws would have shown up those other times. That makes me think that there is something fundamentally unique about this case. My best guess is that Everett cooperated and one or more of these guys is/are not, but I'm sure there are other possibilities.
 
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wizards8507 said:
Serious question, on topic. I've asked this before but haven't seen it answered.

If this whole thing takes forever either due to administrative incompetence or just plain "that's how long it takes," why weren't we sitting here a year ago wondering what was going to happen with Everett Golson? There was no press conference 50+ days before he was dismissed from the university, he just was. ND has suspended players before and it's never taken this long, and I feel like deep systematic flaws would have shown up those other times. That makes me think that there is something fundamentally unique about this case. My best guess is that Everett cooperated and one or more of these guys is/are not, but I'm sure there are other possibilities.
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EG was a repeat offender seemingly so i'm guessing the hammer came down pretty quick when he was kicked out
 
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wizards8507 said:
Serious question, on topic. I've asked this before but haven't seen it answered.

If this whole thing takes forever either due to administrative incompetence or just plain "that's how long it takes," why weren't we sitting here a year ago wondering what was going to happen with Everett Golson? There was no press conference 50+ days before he was dismissed from the university, he just was. ND has suspended players before and it's never taken this long, and I feel like deep systematic flaws would have shown up those other times. That makes me think that there is something fundamentally unique about this case. My best guess is that Everett cooperated and one or more of these guys is/are not, but I'm sure there are other possibilities.
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Am I recalling correctly that EG's issue we know about was not revealed until the spring semester after the 2012 title game?
 
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Fr. Jenkins quote, from address to faculty:

According to The Observer, Notre Dame’s student newspaper, Jenkins said the athletic department’s compliance office became aware of “a potentially problematic situation involving a current student athlete as well as a student who served for a brief time as a paid student employee of the athletic department, although that position had no role in academic tutoring or advising of student athletes.”

“I want to underscore that the current investigation has not revealed any misconduct or knowledge of impropriety by regular, full-time staff,” he said. “However, given the student’s brief status as a paid employee, there was the possibility of what the NCAA considers an ‘excess benefit’ given to the student athlete by a representative of the institution.”
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koonja said:
There's no going back... You're one of them now.
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One of THEM? [Cue Van the Man]:

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It's all over now ...

(With regards and all respect to Mr. Zimmerman)
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> Pres. Jenkins says honor code probe involves former student employee of athletic dept. <a href="https://twitter.com/ObserverNDSMC">@ObserverNDSMC</a>: <a href="http://t.co/XZX2y3vuqo">http://t.co/XZX2y3vuqo</a></p>— Margaret Fosmoe (@MFosmoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/MFosmoe/status/512241751617052675">September 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> Pres. Jenkins says honor code probe involves former student employee of athletic dept. <a href="https://twitter.com/ObserverNDSMC">@ObserverNDSMC</a>: <a href="http://t.co/XZX2y3vuqo">http://t.co/XZX2y3vuqo</a></p>— Margaret Fosmoe (@MFosmoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/MFosmoe/status/512241751617052675">September 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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So we'll have an answer in a few weeks I assume
 
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wizards8507 said:
Serious question, on topic. I've asked this before but haven't seen it answered.

If this whole thing takes forever either due to administrative incompetence or just plain "that's how long it takes," why weren't we sitting here a year ago wondering what was going to happen with Everett Golson? There was no press conference 50+ days before he was dismissed from the university, he just was. ND has suspended players before and it's never taken this long, and I feel like deep systematic flaws would have shown up those other times. That makes me think that there is something fundamentally unique about this case. My best guess is that Everett cooperated and one or more of these guys is/are not, but I'm sure there are other possibilities.
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Hmm, interesting question.

Part of it may have been the timing, if I recall it correctly. The Golson thing happened after spring practice ended, so there would have been no scheduled practices for him to miss while his investigation was pending, so it would have been easier for the university to keep things under wraps until the process had concluded.

But still your point remains. Golson was suspended for a repeat violation that occurred at the end of the Spring 2013 semester, right? And the news broke only a couple weeks after the semester ended, end of May 2013. (I remember that very clearly because I was actually at ND for a baptism when the news broke.) Why were they able to move so fast there but so slowly here. Obviously it has to be that the issue is just more complex in some way.

One issue I have with the cooperation theory is that Kelly said that the investigation concluded the Thursday before the Michigan game, right? If the university is still seeking information, then the investigation is not completed. I guess it's possible that he was misinformed or misspoke, but there's an inconsistency there.

The other thing is that a reluctance to cooperate is a fairly simple issue to resolve. Either the kid decides to cooperate after all, or, if he refuses, the university should draw a negative inference against him or impose whatever sanctions are appropriate under the circumstances and move forward with the information it has. I don't really see any reason for the kid's lack of cooperation to hold the process up. I mean, in Real Law, if somebody pleads the 5th on the stand, we don't sit around for a month trying to figure out what to do. We just do the best we can to figure out what happened with the information we do have.

If I had to guess, I would guess that the hang-up is that this issue is just unprecedentedly complex in some way we don't fully understand, and the university just doesn't know what the proper punitive action is. It may be that the students' conduct falls into a true gray area with regard to the rules on student conduct. It may be that the punishment is clear with regard to the honor code but that the conduct falls into a gray area with NCAA compliance, and they need to know what the NCAA consequences are before they move forward with the honor code proceedings. It might be that the conduct at issue here is a gray area in both areas.

I started out thinking we should give the university the benefit of the doubt; then I started to think that the university was being annoyingly and unjustifiably slow; now I'm leaning back toward giving the university the benefit of the doubt. If it is taking this long, the issues must just be complex beyond my comprehension.
 
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It is crazy to me how the media refuses to press the issue. I guess deep down inside this isn't something that people care about. How come no one has called the Provost or Academic Affairs to ask "when" these hearings are going to take place. It does strike me as odd that for all of those asking BK about an update, no one takes it upon themselves to investigate it on their own.
 
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