Rumored Violations

[IrishinTN]

Just a question...
A few pages or way more back, didn't someone quote the handbook that said something to the effect that the various councils had a week to have a hearing once the investigation information was released to them?

If so, BK said last Thursday that the investigation portion was over. So wouldn't they have to meet by tomorrow latest?

Wasn't it something about honor code having up to 7 days after the investigation? If so, how does that fit into these council meetings? I'm very confused.

 

[JughedJones]

(I was here when "koon" dropped the " knowledge")

 

[Circa]

It depends on the do it part.

KR is supposedly in trouble for not telling on the cheaters.

Missing 2 weeks for that? Crazy.

In my own occupation, safety is the newest fad and OHSHA is the #1 culprit. It's a great thing to have in my honest opinion! but to make my point It has come to the same outcome! At many Power plants they are implementing this same recourse for not snitching only you are barred for life from every plant that owns (AEP, Chicago plants.. etc.) This is exactly what most companies and Universities are asking for anymore. The sad part is that the guys that got away with everything and snitched on their buddy for their advancement are the one's implementing the newest way to kill someone's career!

 

[DogDaysIrish]

50 posts in and your questioning a mod. Sounds pretty smart.

It was a simple question. Lion's a good dude. Just wondering where he comes out on that.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Wasn't it something about honor code having up to 7 days after the investigation? If so, how does that fit into these council meetings? I'm very confused.

I posted earlier with no response. I'll ask again.

What day was the decision made to keep the 5th player out. I honestly don't remember. If it was Friday, then I would assume the 7 days wouldn't start until when that was handed down at the earliest.

And if it was Thursday, this Thursday would be day 7 assuming Friday would be considered day 1. If it finished Thursday, is it reasonable to put this in the same day meeting assuming they have other things already on the agenda. And this is all also assuming they meet once a week, and on Thursdays.

 

[connor_in]

I am trying to de-pressurize this thread with some humor fellas...

Don't make me break out the "Soft Kitty" song!

 

[JughedJones]

I love you guys

 

[autry_denson]

I don't necessarily disagree, koonman, but as I've said before in this thread: I think that is a totally different argument. Saying the school's procedures are antiquated or just patently unfair is fair game, but to say they should be ignored because football players are involved is not. Maybe the process needs an overhaul, but the process is the process for the time being.

There are important principles behind every administrative process and there are less important guidelines that govern how the process plays out. The issue of timing and schedules is unrelated to the principle of carrying out a fair and unbiased and principled disciplinary process. It is entirely reasonable, for any organization, to respect the key principles that underlie the process and to tweak the unimportant guidelines, like the schedule of meetings, in order to avoid doing damage to the institution and those within it, in uniquely sensitive and public situations like this one. This type of flexibility is essential to every single type of bureaucratic institution. Altering the schedule of meetings to make sure that Notre Dame student/athletes are not unnecessarily kept in a state of limbo, where their reputations and academic/athletic trajectories become more damaged with every passing day, does not compromise any principles.

 

[jimmymac]

(I was here when "koon" dropped the " knowledge")

Yes, that was me. I didnt want my "source" to see I posted it because he roams ie and know me personally.

Maybe reread that post. that was the conclusion of the 3rd party's investigation. never says anywhere what the university would decide to do with that information.

If you knew who told me, maybe you would understand better. Maybe not. But I've told a variety of people on here who that was. I thought this stupid discussion between you and me would die but i guess i do have to defend myself. Feel free to reach out in pm's if you have a continued problem with my posting.

 

[greyhammer90]

I never went to Our University

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.


However, what have we heard from him in the past weeks that is true?

Nothing. He also told us Greg Bryant was Gonzo... Bullshit.


I'm done with his insight.

Then ignore him. Don't tell him to shut up. This is a discussion board. If Jimmy hears something on campus he gets to bring it forward for discussion whether it's true or not. Who needs to be told that everything in here is just a rumor? We all know it is.

 

[gkIrish]

I'm with the 4-5 posters that seem to understand how colleges work. I was president of a Club at ND. It was tough enough getting 7-8 members of our executive board to meet at the regularly-scheduled MONTHLY time let alone try to move up a meeting.

Everyone is understandably frustrated. But it seems like the frustration is taking over and common sense has gone out the window.

 

[Jackalope1977]

This whole page reminds me of Lord Of The Flies. Yikes. Can't wait until this s**t is over.

 

[JughedJones]

Then ignore him. Don't tell him to shut up. This is a discussion board. If Jimmy hears something on campus he gets to bring it forward for discussion whether it's true or not. Who needs to be told that everything in here is just a rumor? We all know it is.

Ya'll have told many with less to 'scram'


Maybe it's my time to watch? Could be I don't give nearly as much as you guys give me.

I'm sick of this though. I hate how some dude comes in here and tells us crap, over and over and over... and we just allow it.

Jimmie's word is treated as Gospel around here, and it's rarely worth a damn.

 

[Irish8248]

I posted earlier with no response. I'll ask again.

What day was the decision made to keep the 5th player out. I honestly don't remember. If it was Friday, then I would assume the 7 days wouldn't start until when that was handed down at the earliest.

And if it was Thursday, this Thursday would be day 7 assuming Friday would be considered day 1. If it finished Thursday, is it reasonable to put this in the same day meeting assuming they have other things already on the agenda. And this is all also assuming they meet once a week, and on Thursdays.

It was Thursday - so assuming there's a 7 day window to decide.(not sure that was ever confirmed) then a meeting would be held tomorrow. I believe Jimmy stated had the investigation ended a day sooner the council would've meet last Thursday prior to Rice

In theory, yes to your whole post

 

[FearTheBeard]

Fuck michigan and fuck this investigation!

 

[#1rish]

Whats going on in here

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Completely agree. I'm not only frustrated as a fan who selfishly wants these guys back on the field for Michigan, but also for these players that are innocent and essentially having audition games for the next level taken away from them. I don't know who's guilty and who isn't in this mess, but if innocent, it's huge for guys like Daniels and Ishaq Williams to miss these games. Even Russell who could choose to declare early. They are taking opportunity away from these kid's because they are dragging their feet on this deal to make it look good to the NCAA. These kid's have a right to be pissed.

If someone was innocent then there wouldn't be a hearing. It seems the hearing is to determine the extent of the players' participation and guilt.

 

[gkIrish]

Ya'll have told many with less to 'scram'


Maybe it's my time to watch? Could be I don't give nearly as much as you guys give me.

I'm sick of this though. I hate how some dude comes in here and tells us crap, over and over and over... and we just allow it.

Jimmie's word is treated as Gospel around here, and it's rarely worth a damn.

I just caught up on the last 7 pages of this thread and really don't understand where this anger is coming from. Has Jimmy said some things in the past that fizzed out? Maybe, I don't remember. But so have TP, Lax, etc.

I do know that he isn't make shit up like "I saw X person at a bar" or "Y person was at my meeting tonight." Jimmy isn't making any conclusions from what he says...we are. So relax.

 

[autry_denson]

I'm with the 4-5 posters that seem to understand how colleges work. I was president of a Club at ND. It was tough enough getting 7-8 members of our executive club to meet at the regularly-scheduled MONTHLY time let alone try to move up a meeting.

Everyone is understandably frustrated. But it seems like the frustration is taking over and common sense has gone out the window.

Yes, this is how it works when you have routine decisions to make. When you have major decisions to make that have a huge, public impact on the university, you alter the unimportant details of the process accordingly. I am on dozens of committees at my university. Without exception, when something serious comes up (and we're talking much less serious than a 'scandal' that makes national headlines), everyone finds a way to alter schedules in order to address it. This includes very large committees, and it includes very small committees. Some may not make it to a meeting, or may call in, whatever. But when a unique opportunity arises, a flexible organization does what it needs to do to take advantage of it. When a potential scandal or threat occurs, the same happens. It involves seeing what is important about bylaws and guidelines and seeing what is unimportant, and valuing the health of the institution without sacrificing the *important* principles that guide the institution.

 

[pkt77242]

This whole page reminds me of Lord Of The Flies. Yikes. Can't wait until this s**t is over.

Perfection.

 

[pkt77242]

Ya'll have told many with less to 'scram'


Maybe it's my time to watch? Could be I don't give nearly as much as you guys give me.

I'm sick of this though. I hate how some dude comes in here and tells us crap, over and over and over... and we just allow it.

Jimmie's word is treated as Gospel around here, and it's rarely worth a damn.

You are acting like a dog with a god damn bone. Just drop it. Jesus Christ. Calm the Fuck Down. Also Fuck Michigan.

 

[returnofthemack]

You guys are being ridiculous. When you're on campus you know a lot of stuff people outside have no chance of knowing. For example, I have friends at St. Mary's and friends who knew Prince that know every detail of what actually happened in the Seeberg incident. Shit that never gets reported and I knew it very soon after it happened. Now I would never post stuff like that online because it's the internet, and I don't want to betray anybody's trust. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want the scuttlebutt from the student body rumor mill at ND, jimmymac has provided it, and his sources are probably better than most students. If you only want information that's 100% confirmed, then wait till the damn newspapers publish it.

 

[gkIrish]

Yes, this is how it works when you have routine decisions to make. When you have major decisions to make that have a huge, public impact on the university, you alter the unimportant details of the process accordingly. I am on dozens of committees at my university. Without exception, when something serious comes up (and we're talking much less serious than a 'scandal' that makes national headlines), everyone finds a way to alter schedules in order to address it. This includes very large committees, and it includes very small committees. Some may not make it to a meeting, or may call in, whatever. But when a unique opportunity arises, a flexible organization does what it needs to do to take advantage of it. When a potential scandal or threat occurs, the same happens. It involves seeing what is important about bylaws and guidelines and seeing what is unimportant, and valuing the health of the institution without sacrificing the *important* principles that guide the institution.

What's more "important" or "serious?"

A) A football player commits academic fraud by turning in a paper written by another student

B) 10 non-athletes engaged in academic fraud by hacking the Business school's online grading system to change their grades.


Which is the more serious problem for the University? Which is the more serious problem for a fan of the football team?

Hint...the answers are different.

 

[JughedJones]

You guys are being ridiculous. When you're on campus you know a lot of stuff people outside have no chance of knowing. For example, I have friends at St. Mary's and friends who knew Prince that know every detail of what actually happened in the Seeberg incident. Shit that never gets reported and I knew it very soon after it happened. Now I would never post stuff like that online because it's the internet, and I don't want to betray anybody's trust. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want the scuttlebutt from the student body rumor mill at ND, jimmymac has provided it, and his sources are probably better than most students. If you only want information that's 100% confirmed, then wait till the damn newspapers publish it.

Go. Fuck. Your. Self.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[pkt77242]

Go. Fuck. Your. Self.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Please log off for the rest of the night before a MOD gets smart and gives you a short break. You have sure earned it tonight.

 

[NDdomer2]

Information war! The have and the have-nots. The have-nots come into battle with larger numbers. The haves arm themselves with superior communication and surveillance.

I want a good clean fight.

 

[DogDaysIrish]

Yes, this is how it works when you have routine decisions to make. When you have major decisions to make that have a huge, public impact on the university, you alter the unimportant details of the process accordingly. I am on dozens of committees at my university. Without exception, when something serious comes up (and we're talking much less serious than a 'scandal' that makes national headlines), everyone finds a way to alter schedules in order to address it. This includes very large committees, and it includes very small committees. Some may not make it to a meeting, or may call in, whatever. But when a unique opportunity arises, a flexible organization does what it needs to do to take advantage of it. When a potential scandal or threat occurs, the same happens. It involves seeing what is important about bylaws and guidelines and seeing what is unimportant, and valuing the health of the institution without sacrificing the *important* principles that guide the institution.

Spot on, Autry.... Spot on. That's how the real world works.

 

[greyhammer90]

Go. Fuck. Your. Self.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Go sleep it off man.

 

[JughedJones]

Seriously guys..

I get warned when folks bring up Seeburg?

Sweet.

 

[IrishLion]

Is insinuating that someone is "acting like a dick" lesser that another telling someone to "shut up"? Curious.

)

Well, one case is someone straight up disregarding another poster and openly inviting them to stop contributing. The other is warning someone to contribute in a more discourse-friendly manner.

But maybe I encouraged smarter discourse in a contradictory manner. My apologies for that.