Rumored Violations

[Classic Irish]

I want to believe, but if "2 players [have] already been cleared," then why weren't they at practice today? If we're interpreting this in a realistic but still optimistic way, I'd suggest that two players may have been interviewed already, and based on the evidence to date, things are looking good for them. Perhaps a 3rd was interviewed today, thereby advancing the resolution of his status.

Hopefully the investigators will be able to clear some of these guys before Rice, but I wouldn't be surprised if they refused to make anything public until the whole thing is complete.

Yeah, I'm thinking along similar lines, i.e. it's a matter of being cleared but needing to make it official when students return to campus and the case is presented to the honor code board (Du Lac board, or whatever they call it) to sign off on it. Again, just speculating but that's the sense I'm getting.

 

[returnofthemack]

If any of them are cleared, it would lead to another shitstorm about "ND covering up academic transgressions" after the whole self-manufactured brouhaha. I understand wanting to get ahead of the story before some dickcheese connoisseur on deadspin gets ahold of it, but as many have said on here, it could have been handled much better.

 

[Irish YJ]

So just got home from back to back meetings all day. Starting reading in reverse and it seems there is nothing new. Is that about right?

 

[IrishSteelhead]

It appears so. I combed a few pages and realized everyone/everything is still in limbo. The player pages would be blowing up one way or another if anything broke.

 

[Classic Irish]

Here's another tweet:


@TheShamRap ·
All we'll say is wait for the findings. Then go laugh at your ND hating co-workers and friends. #GOIRISH

 

[gkIrish]

Do you really think ND would have done a press conference if all they had on these guys was enough to ask some questions and then clear them a couple days later?

I don't.

 

[irishog77]

So just got home from back to back meetings all day. Starting reading in reverse and it seems there is nothing new. Is that about right?

Exactly right.

 

[Irish YJ]

Exactly right.

grassy ass brother

 

[Grahambo]

Do you really think ND would have done a press conference if all they had on these guys was enough to ask some questions and then clear them a couple days later?



I don't.

When the media is blowing up about dismissals from school, I don't think they had any other choice.


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[Bugzly21]

Ok, 3 players are being reinstated. The reason they weren't at practice is because they want the news to come out in glorious fashion. They will be modeling the new uniforms at the unveiling tomorrow. (Unable to use italics)

 

[NCND]

Do you really think ND would have done a press conference if all they had on these guys was enough to ask some questions and then clear them a couple days later?

I don't.

+1

 

[gkIrish]

When the media is blowing up about dismissals from school, I don't think they had any other choice.


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How about just a press release saying the players are suspended pending investigation (no need to even specify). Instead you send Fr. Jenkins up there to show how seriously you are taking the matter? Doesn't make sense to me unless they have something concrete.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Do you really think ND would have done a press conference if all they had on these guys was enough to ask some questions and then clear them a couple days later?

I don't.

You likely know more about this than I do, but that fact alone isn't necessarily dispositive of the claims at issue here. For instance, has it been established who first leaked this news? If it was someone on the inside with an agenda, Jenkins and Swarbrick may well have been caught flat-footed. And after the Manti fiasco, which could have been completely avoided had they gotten out in front of it in time, they may have decided that addressing it publicly and framing the debate on their own terms was less risky than remaining silent, even if they weren't prepared to do so.

How about just a press release saying the players are suspended pending investigation (no need to even specify). Instead you send Fr. Jenkins up there to show how seriously you are taking the matter? Doesn't make sense to me unless they have something concrete.

Maybe. Or maybe this is the administration trying to apply the lessons it learned from Lennay Kekkua.

 

[Henges24]

Do you really think ND would have done a press conference if all they had on these guys was enough to ask some questions and then clear them a couple days later?

I don't.

No I don't either. But to support that claim they could not have wanted DeadSpin to get ahold of it before everything panned out. It already started to leak out before ND reported a PC. Cause if Deadspin broke it and ND ended the investigation in a week, the media and everyone else would scream at a coverup or how ND ignored it all together. So it's possible but not likely.

 

[irishog77]

How about just a press release saying the players are suspended pending investigation (no need to even specify). Instead you send Fr. Jenkins up there to show how seriously you are taking the matter? Doesn't make sense to me unless they have something concrete.

Yeah, I have to believe that if they hold a press conference, the result is not going to be some bullshit crap like suspended for the first half of a game, or not allowed to attend sec media days to answer questions about your arrest. I think, at the least, 1-4 of the guys will get some sort of substantial penalty.

 

[woolybug25]

You likely know more about this than I do, but that fact alone isn't necessarily dispositive of the claims at issue here. For instance, has it been established who first leaked this news? If it was someone on the inside with an agenda, Jenkins and Swarbrick may well have been caught flat-footed. And after the Manti fiasco, which could have been completely avoided had they gotten out in front of it in time, they may have decided that addressing it publicly and framing the debate on their own terms was less risky than remaining silent, even if they weren't prepared to do so.

You more eloquently put this than I could. I was just going to post, "Do you think that Notre Dame's administration isn't capable of completely screwing up a public relations issue?... I think that they are fully capable of screwing up a PR situation on an epic level... totally capable..."

Not saying that I believe that the players are being reinstated. I just wouldn't be surprised if that is how it played out and we simply were simply getting in our own way... again...

 

[gkIrish]

You likely know more about this than I do, but that fact alone isn't necessarily dispositive of the claims at issue here. For instance, has it been established who first leaked this news? If it was someone on the inside with an agenda, Jenkins and Swarbrick may well have been caught flat-footed. And after the Manti fiasco, which could have been completely avoided had they gotten out in front of it in time, they may have decided that addressing it publicly and framing the debate on their own terms was less risky than remaining silent, even if they weren't prepared to do so.



Maybe. Or maybe this is the administration trying to apply the lessons it learned from Lennay Kekkua.

I hear you. But I think all the presser did was make it sound serious and now if they clear these guys tomorrow we will be a laughing stock again.

 

[woolybug25]

I hear you. But I think all the presser did was make it sound serious and now if they clear these guys tomorrow we will be a laughing stock again.

Yup. Our annual self destructive behavior.

 

[gkIrish]

Oh and just to be clear I don't have any further knowledge about what's gong on at this point. My source (who has been 100% right about everything that has occurred publicly) shared stuff with me that I've shared with some of you and we will have to see if it turns out to be true.

So I'm spitballing with all of you at this point.

 

[Henges24]

I hear you. But I think all the presser did was make it sound serious and now if they clear these guys tomorrow we will be a laughing stock again.

Better being the laughing stock, which we already are, than being a university that may have covered a cheating scandal up. Coming from a highly academic friendly school, I'd say that would be the better possibility.

 

[gkIrish]

Better being the laughing stock, which we already are, than being a university that may have covered a cheating scandal up. Coming from a highly academic friendly school, I'd say that would be the better possibility.

You don't have to hold a presser to avoid "covering up cheating." Like I said, just release a statement.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Auburn teaches a two week seminar on how all this stuff works. There are a few available slots left as the rest of the SEC schools had a few spaces left over. As a Bama fan, I would highly suggest other schools look in to it. It pays huge dividends most years.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I hear you. But I think all the presser did was make it sound serious and now if they clear these guys tomorrow we will be a laughing stock again.

Isn't the fact that Jenkins was apparently so unprepared for the press conference prima facie evidence that it was a hurried strategic move ("let's get out in front of this thing") instead of a carefully calculated response based upon the seriousness of the allegations and the strength of the evidence? I've never seen him come across so poorly on camera.

 

[Irish#1]

So just got home from back to back meetings all day. Starting reading in reverse and it seems there is nothing new. Is that about right?

No, we've got a debate on Memphis basketball and rules interpretations going on. Calipari hasn't chimed in with the real story yet.

 

[gkIrish]

Isn't the fact that Jenkins was apparently so unprepared for the press conference prima facie evidence that it was a hurried strategic move ("let's get out in front of this thing") instead of a carefully calculated response based upon the seriousness of the allegations and the strength of the evidence? I've never seen him come across so poorly on camera.

Or he could have been really nervous because it's very serious....

He knew the night before that he was doing the presser. I think that's enough time to at least look comfortable giving the written statement.

 

[Irish#1]

Isn't the fact that Jenkins was apparently so unprepared for the press conference prima facie evidence that it was a hurried strategic move ("let's get out in front of this thing") instead of a carefully calculated response based upon the seriousness of the allegations and the strength of the evidence? I've never seen him come across so poorly on camera.

I agree and I don't think Jack was brought into this until the last minute. If only they would have let him handle the PC.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Or he could have been really nervous because it's very serious....

He knew the night before that he was doing the presser. I think that's enough time to at least look comfortable giving the written statement.

He's dealt with more serious shit storms before (Obama's commencement address, Te'o's fiasco, Declan Sullivan, Lizzy Seeburg, etc.) I don't see why the present allegations would be especially jarring for him.

 

[NDhoosier]

Isn't the fact that Jenkins was apparently so unprepared for the press conference prima facie evidence that it was a hurried strategic move ("let's get out in front of this thing") instead of a carefully calculated response based upon the seriousness of the allegations and the strength of the evidence? I've never seen him come across so poorly on camera.

That is what I was thinking as well. Father Jenkins is a pretty good public speaker, but you could tell he was not prepared for this.

The news was leaked, no one is sure by who, but it seems like it was not ND and they made a press conference simply because it was blowing up on the media and they had to.

 

[Henges24]

You don't have to hold a presser to avoid "covering up cheating." Like I said, just release a statement.

I know I'm just arguing with you to stir a possibility in there. As I said above I agree with you. Just an explanation that no one knows what the fuck is going on and there are a million legit possibilities out there.

 

[gkIrish]

He's dealt with more serious shit storms before (Obama's commencement address, Te'o's fiasco, Declan Sullivan, Lizzy Seeburg, etc.) I don't see why the present allegations would be especially jarring for him.

I guess maybe there is no good explanation as to why he performed poorly. I don't think lack of preparation explains it as it as a short statement and he probably had all day to practice if he wanted to.

Did he hold a presser for Te'o and Seeburg? I don't remember that. Thought Jack did the Te'o presser and there wasn't one for Seeburg.