Roster Projections

[Brooklyn]

Updated with Prentice's commitment.

 

[Brooklyn]

Updated with Guyton's commitment.

 

[Brooklyn]

+Nicco

-Kinlaw

 

[Brooklyn]

+Trevor Ruhland
+C.J. Sanders
+Josh Barajas

 

[Brooklyn]

-Barnett
+Coleman
+Tiassum
+Dew-Treadway
+Taylor
+Crawford

 

[Brooklyn]

-Nile Sykes

+Miles Boykin
+Ashton White
+Josh Adams
+Justin Yoon

 

[Crazy Balki]

-Nile Sykes

+Miles Boykin
+Ashton White
+Josh Adams
+Justin Yoon

So I see the magic number as 23. That's how many commits they will finished with, along with 5 5th years.

6 remaining recruits:

- 1 RB/QB
- 1 WR
- 1 DL
- 2 LB
- 1 DB

 

[yankeeND]

-Nile Sykes

+Miles Boykin
+Ashton White
+Josh Adams
+Justin Yoon

Great thread! I have a tough enough time keeping up with what say it is so this helps a lot.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Any word on Mahone, or the rumored transfers from the 3-4 to 4-3 conversion?

 

[stlnd01]

Any word on Mahone, or the rumored transfers from the 3-4 to 4-3 conversion?

There are rumored transfers? Who, like, linebackers that don't really have a home anymore? Looking at the depth chart you don't see a lot of likely candidates. And would need to happen before the season, right?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

There are rumored transfers? Who, like, linebackers that don't really have a home anymore? Looking at the depth chart you don't see a lot of likely candidates. And would need to happen before the season, right?

That is what I am saying.

As it became apparent that holding on to the old 3-4 was mostly smoke, persistent rumors of "a number of players transferring" cropped up in more than one place. I am thinking if these guys don't like BVG's defensive changes, and have two years of eligibility remaining, that may be a situation where a player rockets. I wonder if these guys sent out inquiries and are waiting for responses, or didn't get the responses they liked.

I was surprised because I saw the majority of the team being in the degree completion program, unlike Geo, Stephon, or Troy.

 

[Brooklyn]

So I see the magic number as 23. That's how many commits they will finished with, along with 5 5th years.

6 remaining recruits:

- 1 RB/QB
- 1 WR
- 1 DL
- 2 LB
- 1 DB

Yeah as of right now, that would seem like a likely plan of course. Everett, Martin, Springmann, 2 of Schmidt/Councell/Grace and maybe a corner (Hardy/Farley) depending on if we could get an elite recruit at DB or not.

 

[Brooklyn]

Any word on Mahone, or the rumored transfers from the 3-4 to 4-3 conversion?

Mahone has been suspended for this year(at least), but he hasn't been kicked off the team yet, I believe. That's why he is still on the roster count as of now. As far as transfers, I won't speculate.

 

[Brooklyn]

Great thread! I have a tough enough time keeping up with what say it is so this helps a lot.

Thanks.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Right now, and I waited to put anything more than a question in this thread, I am getting the feeling that the staff is using momentum to turn up the talent level. In other words, where in the past this would have definitely been a year for a small class, this year it is going to be sink or swim for seniors looking at a potential fifth year.

A) There are good, young players at every position (or at least position group.)

B) There is more solid leadership than last year, and maybe more overall than there has since Kelly has been at ND.

C) The coaching staff and schemes on both side of the ball are evolving and it looks like some program shortcomings have been addressed.

D) ND football is slowly being successfully being rebranded, and is becoming more mainstream and desirable.

 

[IrishLax]

So I see the magic number as 23. That's how many commits they will finished with, along with 5 5th years.

6 remaining recruits:

- 1 RB/QB
- 1 WR
- 1 DL
- 2 LB
- 1 DB

Number has always been in the 22-23 range and I don't think anything that has happened with Sykes or Mahone has really changed that. All it changes is who the spots are allocated to:

RB: absolutely must take one more.
LB: absolutely must take one more, probably want 2.

All other positions are luxuries.
DL: 1-2 with emphasis on pass rusher depending on who wants to come.
DB: Up to 1 more if it's the right guy and we have room.
Offensive skill position: 1-2 if they're the right guys (i.e. the caliber of Newsome or ESB).
QB: Up to 1 if an elite guy decides to change their mind.
OL: 0. Probably don't target any even if we get a flip from Tillery, but possibly consider one more OT if that happens.

So a realistic good finish would be Jamabo, Bilal, Coney, Newsome, Reid + swinging for a late deciding five star somewhere.

 

[NDdomer2]

Number has always been in the 22-23 range and I don't think anything that has happened with Sykes or Mahone has really changed that. All it changes is who the spots are allocated to:

RB: absolutely must take one more.
LB: absolutely must take one more, probably want 2.

All other positions are luxuries.
DL: 1-2 with emphasis on pass rusher depending on who wants to come.
DB: Up to 1 more if it's the right guy and we have room.
Offensive skill position: 1-2 if they're the right guys (i.e. the caliber of Newsome or ESB).
QB: Up to 1 if an elite guy decides to change their mind.
OL: 0. Probably don't target any even if we get a flip from Tillery, but possibly consider one more OT if that happens.

So a realistic good finish would be Jamabo, Bilal, Coney, Newsome, Reid + swinging for a late deciding five star somewhere.

Would love this finish.

 

[Brooklyn]

-William Mahone

 

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[Domina Nostra]

I think this is where we currently stand for 2015:

QB
1) Malik Zaire, Fr. '17
2) Deshone Kizer

RB
3) Tarean Folston, So. '16
4) Greg Bryant, So. '17

WR-slot
5) C.J. Prosise, Jr. '15
6) Torii Hunter, So. '17

WR-boundary
7) Chris Brown, Jr. '15
8) Will Fuller, So. '16
9) Corey Robinson Fr., So. '16
10) Corey Holmes
11) Justin Brent

TE
12) Mike Heuerman, Fr. '17
13) Durham Smythe, Fr. '17
14) Nic Weishar
15) Tyler Luatua

OT
16) Ronnie Stanley, Jr. ‘16
17) Mike McGlinchey, Fr. '17
18) Alex Bars

OT/OG
19) Hunter Biven, Fr. '17
20) Steven Elmer, So. '16
21) Quentin Nelson

OG/C
22) Mark Harrell, Jr. '16
23) Colin McGovern, So. '17
24) John Montelus, So. '17
25) Jimmy Byrne
26) Sam Mustipher

DT
27) Sheldon Day, Jr. '15
28) Jarron Jones, Jr. '16
29) Peter Mokwuah
30) Daniel Cage

SDE
31) Isaac Rochell, Fr. '16
32) Jacob Matuska, So. '17
33) Jay Hayes
34) Grant Blankenship

Rush End (WDE)
35) Romeo Okwara, Jr. '15
36) Andrew Trumbetti
37) Jhonnie Williams
38) Jonathan Bonner

SAM
39) John Turner, Jr. '16
40) Kolin Hill
41) Dough Randolph, So. '17

MIKE
42) Michael Deeb, So. '17
43) Nyles Morgan
44) Greer Martini

WILL / OLB
45) Jaylon Smith, Fr. '16
46) James Onwualu, So. '16
47) Dru Tranquil

SS
48) Nicky Baratti, Jr. '15
49) Elijah Shumate, Jr. '15

FS
50) Max Redfield, So. '16

CB
51) Cole Luke, Fr. '16
52) Devin Butler, So. '16
53) Nick Watkins

ST
54) Scott Daly, Jr. '16
55) Tyler Newsome

29 spots for recruits and 5th years

Certain Redshirt Offers (depending on health/NFL)
56) Everett Golson, Sr. '15
57) Nick Martin, Sr. '15
58) Eilar Hardy, Sr. '15 (look at the depth chart!)

Really, 27 spots for recruiting needs and other 5th years

Commits
59) RB1 (ATH)- Josh Adams
60) WR1- Jalen Guyton
61) WR2- CJ Sanders
62) WR3- Miles Boykin
63) OL1- Jerry Tillery
64) OL2- Tristen Hoge
65) OL3- Trevor Ruhland
66) DT1 - Brandon Tiassum
67) DT2- Elijah Taylor
68) DT/DE - Micah Dew-Treadway
69) LB1- Josh Barajas
70) CB1 - Nick Coleman
71) CB2 - Shaun Crawford
72) CB4- Ashton White
73) S - Nicco Fertitta
74) S - Prentice McKinney
75) K- Justin Yoon

Recruiting Needs
76) RB2-
77) WDE-
78) LB2-

Leaving 7 spots for best available (WR4, RB3, DT3-4, DB4, [QB], and 5th years)
79) ???
80) ???
81) ???
82) ???
83) ???
84) ???
85) ???

Off to the NFL (both would definitly get a spot if they wanted it--as things stand.)
DaVaris Daniels
KeiVarae Russell

Vey Likely Redshirt (depending on health)
Amir Carlisle
Ben Councell
Tony Springmann
Jarrett Grace
Matt Hegarty
Connor Hanratty

Other Redshirt Possibilities
Chase Hounshell
Matthias Farley
Joe Schmidt
Anthony Rabasa
Jalen Brown

 

[NDhoosier]

If Springmann and Grace are healthy, I dont see how they are not asked back. They both were frequent players, even starters in Grace's case. Unless we have more attrition, I personally think only 5-6 more 2015 recruits are needed:

Jamabo
St. Brown
Coney
Bilal
??? (Hopefully a DE prospect)

 

[Crazy Balki]

If Springmann and Grace are healthy, I dont see how they are not asked back. They both were frequent players, even starters in Grace's case. Unless we have more attrition, I personally think only 5-6 more 2015 recruits are needed:

Jamabo
St. Brown
Coney
Bilal
??? (Hopefully a DE prospect)

I'd say 6-7 at this point. As you stated, the DE prospects (Cowart, Lucier-South) and a DT prospect (Gallimore most likely, Wilkens possibly).

 

[stlnd01]

Certainly wouldn't write off K Russell for 2015. He's talented, but strikes me as a future captain and four-year guy. Also, I think you missed Councell, who at this point I'd figure as a likely redshirt. And would be very surprised if Farley isn't back unless he gets lapped on the depth chart this year and leaves on his own to play elsewhere.
Of course there will be transfers, etc. They are harder to predict.

 

[Irishbounty28]

If Councell is able to contribute there is no way that he doesn't play this year imo. I have said this in past threads, but I feel as though linebacker this year will play out similar to safety last year in that there will be some movement until "the guys" are found.

 

[NDdomer2]

I'd say 6-7 at this point. As you stated, the DE prospects (Cowart, Lucier-South) and a DT prospect (Gallimore most likely, Wilkens possibly).

Cowart is not an option.

 

[stlnd01]

If Councell is able to contribute there is no way that he doesn't play this year imo. I have said this in past threads, but I feel as though linebacker this year will play out similar to safety last year in that there will be some movement until "the guys" are found.

Agreed. And doesn't Councell have two years of eligibility remaining? I don't believe he played as a freshman. He would seem a strong candidate for a fifth year in 2015, is what I meant.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Agreed. And doesn't Councell have two years of eligibility remaining? I don't believe he played as a freshman. He would seem a strong candidate for a fifth year in 2015, is what I meant.

If he starts this year and plays well, I think he'd be very likely to get a 5th year.

Eventually, the staff is oging to have some hard decisions to make.

They need another RB, a DE, and another LB.

They probably should take a QB, and I think they want another stud DT, a stud DB, and a third LB!

That is 3-7 more recruits. We'll see!

 

[NDWorld247]

I think this is where we currently stand for 2015:

QB
1) Malik Zaire, Fr. '17
2) Deshone Kizer

RB
3) Tarean Folston, So. '16
4) Greg Bryant, So. '17

WR-slot
5) Amir Carlisle, Sr. '15
6) C.J. Prosise, Jr. '15
7) Torii Hunter, So. '17

WR-boundary
8) Chris Brown, Jr. '15
9) Will Fuller, So. '16
10) Corey Robinson Fr., So. '16
11) Corey Holmes
12) Justin Brent

TE
13) Mike Heuerman, Fr. '17
14) Durham Smythe, Fr. '17
15) Nic Weishar
16) Tyler Luatua

OT
17) Ronnie Stanley, Jr. ‘16
18) Mike McGlinchey, Fr. '17
19) Alex Bars

OT/OG
20) Hunter Biven, Fr. '17
21) Steven Elmer, So. '16
22) Quentin Nelson

OG/C
23) Mark Harrell, Jr. '16
24) Colin McGovern, So. '17
25) John Montelus, So. '17
26) Jimmy Byrne
27) Sam Mustipher

DT
28) Sheldon Day, Jr. '15
29) Jarron Jones, Jr. '16
30) Peter Mokwuah
31) Daniel Cage

SDE
32) Chase Hounsell, Sr. '15
33) Isaac Rochell, Fr. '16
34) Jacob Matuska, So. '17
35) Jay Hayes
36) Grant Blankenship

Rush End (WDE)
37) Romeo Okwara, Jr. '15
38) Andrew Trumbetti
39) Jhonnie Williams
40) Jonathan Bonner

SAM
41) John Turner, Jr. '16
42) Kolin Hill
43) Dough Randolph, So. '17

MIKE
44) Michael Deeb, So. '17
45) Nyles Morgan
46) Greer Martini

WILL / OLB
47) Jaylon Smith, Fr. '16
48) James Onwualu, So. '16
49) Dru Tranquil

SS
50) Nicky Baratti, Jr. '15
51) Elijah Shumate, Jr. '15

FS
52) Max Redfield, So. '16

CB
53) Cole Luke, Fr. '16
54) Devin Butler, So. '16
55) Nick Watkins

ST
56) Scott Daly, Jr. '16
57) Tyler Newsome

28 spots for recruits and 5th years

Certain Redshirt Offers (depending on health/NFL)
58) Everett Golson, Sr. '15
59) Nick Martin, Sr. '15
60) Eilar Hardy, Sr. '15 (look at the depth chart!)

Really, 25 spots for recruiting needs and other 5th years

Commits
61) RB1 (ATH)- Josh Adams
62) WR1- Jalen Guyton
63) WR2- CJ Sanders
64) WR3- Miles Boykin
65) OL1- Jerry Tillery
66) OL2- Tristen Hoge
67) OL3- Trevor Ruhland
68) DT1 - Brandon Tiassum
69) DT2- Elijah Taylor
70) DT/DE - Micah Dew-Treadway
71) LB1- Josh Barajas
72) CB1 - Nick Coleman
73) CB2 - Shaun Crawford
74) CB4- Ashton White
75) S - Nicco Fertitta
76) S - Prentice McKinney
77) K- Justin Yoon

Recruiting Needs
78) RB2-
79) WDE-
80) LB2-

Leaving 5 spots for best available and 5th years.
81) ???
82) ???
83) ???
84) ???
85) ???

Likely Redshirt (depending on health)
BenCouncell
Tony Springmann
Jarrett Grace
Matt Hegarty
Connor Hanratty

Other Redshirt Possibilities
Matthias Farley
Joe Schmidt
Anthony Rabasa
Jalen Brown

Off to the NFL (both would definitly get a spot if they wanted it--as things stand.)
DaVaris Daniels
KeiVarae Russell

If you add KeiVarae Russell and take off Amir Carlisle and Chase Hounsell, you're list is consistent with the OP, leaving us with 29 spots available. I think KVR is more likely to return than not, and I suspect you just made a mistake with Amir and Chase as they should be listed with 5Y options.

With 17 commits at the moment, we are left with 12 spots for '15 recruits and 5Y. Looking at the most likely 5Y to return, IMO it's Golson and Martin. I think Daniels is NFL bound. Amir's fate may be tied to recruiting/health more than any other player, but I like his chances to return whether we bring in two RBs in this class or not. If I had to pick the next two most likely to include in a top 5 (a pretty safe # for 5Y), I'd go with Councell and Hardy.

So that leaves 9 guys -- Hegarty, Hanratty, Springmann, Hounsell, Rabassa, Grace, Schmidt, Brown and Farley -- competing for 7 spots with the '15 recruits. Something to consider is that a 5Y in '15 opens up a '16 scholarship, so the question isn't '15 recruit vs. 5Y, it's '15 recruit vs. 5Y and '16 recruit. The '16 class is on track to be really small at what should be an opportune time in recruiting for ND.

We're at the point in the '15 class that we're only bringing in top guys and could bring in up to six if what we've been hearing about the number is true. I think a safe # is five more '15 recruits (who could all be studs like ESB, Soso, Bilal, Coney + a surprise or two), which leaves those nine 5Y above fighting for 2 spots, but more likely 3-4 due to attrition between now and signing day (6 months).

As you and others have said, I don't envy the hard decisions the staff will need to make. The good news is we should go into Spring 2015 with all 85 scholarships accounted for as any holes will be filled by quality 5Y options and any "misses" will open up spots in what could be a special '16 class.

 

[Domina Nostra]

If you add KeiVarae Russell and take off Amir Carlisle and Chase Hounsell, you're list is consistent with the OP, leaving us with 29 spots available. I think KVR is more likely to return than not, and I suspect you just made a mistake with Amir and Chase as they should be listed with 5Y options.

With 17 commits at the moment, we are left with 12 spots for '15 recruits and 5Y. Looking at the most likely 5Y to return, IMO it's Golson and Martin. I think Daniels is NFL bound. Amir's fate may be tied to recruiting/health more than any other player, but I like his chances to return whether we bring in two RBs in this class or not. If I had to pick the next two most likely to include in a top 5 (a pretty safe # for 5Y), I'd go with Councell and Hardy.

So that leaves 9 guys -- Hegarty, Hanratty, Springmann, Hounsell, Rabassa, Grace, Schmidt, Brown and Farley -- competing for 7 spots with the '15 recruits. Something to consider is that a 5Y in '15 opens up a '16 scholarship, so the question isn't '15 recruit vs. 5Y, it's '15 recruit vs. 5Y and '16 recruit. The '16 class is on track to be really small at what should be an opportune time in recruiting for ND.

We're at the point in the '15 class that we're only bringing in top guys and could bring in up to six if what we've been hearing about the number is true. I think a safe # is five more '15 recruits (who could all be studs like ESB, Soso, Bilal, Coney + a surprise or two), which leaves those nine 5Y above fighting for 2 spots, but more likely 3-4 due to attrition between now and signing day (6 months).

As you and others have said, I don't envy the hard decisions the staff will need to make. The good news is we should go into Spring 2015 with all 85 scholarships accounted for as any holes will be filled by quality 5Y options and any "misses" will open up spots in what could be a special '16 class.

My though with Amir and Chase is that they were medical redshirts, so they'll likley get a chance to play their 4th years. I'll think that will certainly happen with Amir, so I'll cahnge it for Chase.

I don't think KR is coming back and I am not going to jinx it!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Cowart is not an option.

Pourquoi?