Roster Projections

[Irish YJ]

Does Monty VG stay on scholarship when the numbers get tight? That might give us one more to play with ...

yes, a coach's son form what I understand must be on scholarship if playing.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Man, I see 6 guys on that 5y list who are definitely takes if they want to return:

Golson
Daniels
Martin
Carlisle
Farley
Schmidt

and that list excludes Ishaq, Hardy, and Hegarty. Plus Collinsworth could end up eligible for a 6th year if he has any more health troubles. Spots are getting scarce.

 

[Brooklyn]

IIRC Barratti is Done.

Idk, but don't believe anything is official on that yet. Could be wrong though. I'll update when I see something official though.

 

[IrishLax]

yes, a coach's son form what I understand must be on scholarship if playing.

Don't think this is accurate. But I'm not sure.

Got a link to the rule by any chance? Really interested.

 

[IrishLax]

This thread is so excellent.

Here are your likely 5th years, IMO:
Golson
Martin
Carlisle
Schmidt

Which then gives us 4 remaining spots for crootin'... that's very tight. This is by far the deepest 5th year class I've seen. Could easily justify 10 of those guys.

Sooo Coney + Jamabo/Brossette + S + best available?

 

[IrishLax]

Idk, but don't believe anything is official on that yet. Could be wrong though. I'll update when I see something official though.

He's done, IMO. Why we're pursuing another safety. So actually make that "five" truly open spots to go between recruits and... Williams, Farley, Hanratty, Hegarty?

 

[NDPhilly]

It's no coincidence that this years 5th year class is so deep and is also the first full year of Kelly's recruiting. Pretty Amazing.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

VanGorder has a scholarship? What a waste...

Opening your mouth without a clue? What a waste . . .

I wasn't going to say anything but you started an uninformed discussion with an uninformed provocative comment.

Please try to interrupt your mouth next time; thanks in advance!

 

[Wild Bill]

This thread is so excellent.

Here are your likely 5th years, IMO:
Golson
Martin
Carlisle
Schmidt

Which then gives us 4 remaining spots for crootin'... that's very tight. This is by far the deepest 5th year class I've seen. Could easily justify 10 of those guys.

Sooo Coney + Jamabo/Brossette + S + best available?

Wouldn't Ishaq get a spot?

 

[Buster Bluth]

Here are your likely 5th years, IMO:
Golson
Martin
Carlisle
Schmidt

I don't see how they don't take Farley too, especially considering safety depth.

 

[PerthDomer]

Should we project 2 transfers just to cover what always seems to happen?

But sounds like we're taking 1 LB (Coney), 1 RB (Soso/Brissette/Scarlett), 1 Safety (Big list) 1 Big WR (St. Brown) if we just have 4 spots. Plus I guess we could have a flip or 2.

I assume we just take Alize if he wants in too or any other 5 star quality dudes and let the numbers figure themselves out.

 

[Brooklyn]

This thread is so excellent.

Here are your likely 5th years, IMO:
Golson
Martin
Carlisle
Schmidt

Which then gives us 4 remaining spots for crootin'... that's very tight. This is by far the deepest 5th year class I've seen. Could easily justify 10 of those guys.

Sooo Coney + Jamabo/Brossette + S + best available?

Thanks Lax.

I agree with Buster, with how Farley has played, hard not to make a spot for him also. Also agree with Wild Bill, Ishaq probably deserves a spot also. This is a very deep 5th man class. Credit to BK like Philly said. Sorry for adding nothing there, but at least gave a bunch of guys props.

He's done, IMO. Why we're pursuing another safety. So actually make that "five" truly open spots to go between recruits and... Williams, Farley, Hanratty, Hegarty?

I agree, he's likely done. I'll leave the official roster as it stands right now, with the current asterisk next to the name of the injured players, until it's official though. People can project after that.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I don't see any problems with walk-on scholarships being a 1 year thing. Reward the guys if there are any open spots at that point. It's fine if MVG is on scholarship but I would rather see it on someone who could possibly play at some point in his career.

Such a great 5th year class. Crazy good.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

2011 recruiting class: Brindza, Daniels, Golson, Hanratty, Hegarty, Koyack, (Lynch), Martin, McDaniel, Niklas, Tuitt. We could easily see all of these guys on NFL rosters.

 

[PerthDomer]

Who all in this class is planning on EEing?

 

[Cackalacky]

Who all in this class is planning on EEing?

Coney is supposed to, if he commits. I don't recall anyone else.

 

[NDWorld247]

Who all in this class is planning on EEing?

247 lists Hoge, Tillery and Dew-Treadway as EEs. I did a quick search and found confirmation they all originally planned on EE'ing, but I'm not sure if there have been changes to those plans since. As Cackalacky said, Coney would be added to that list if he chooses ND.

 

[yankeeND]

247 lists Hoge, Tillery and Dew-Treadway as EEs. I did a quick search and found confirmation they all originally planned on EE'ing, but I'm not sure if there have been changes to those plans since. As Cackalacky said, Coney would be added to that list if he chooses ND.

Nice, did not know that about Dew-Treadway.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Nice, did not know that about Dew-Treadway.

Didn't know that either. It'd be nice if we could sign a safety who wanted to EE since we are going to be razor thin at the position in the spring.

 

[irishog77]

Didn't know that either. It'd be nice if we could sign a safety who wanted to EE since we are going to be razor thin at the position in the spring.

Yep. An EE RB would be nice too.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

So if Ishaq isn't going the Hardy route to graduate this year and be eligible to transfer without sitting, does that mean he has a spot on the team waiting for him next year?

 

[irishfan]

I feel horrible rooting for transfers, but it's going to suck telling some of these potential 5th years to hit the bricks.

 

[Emcee77]

I feel horrible rooting for transfers, but it's going to suck telling some of these potential 5th years to hit the bricks.

No doubt. Deepest 5th year class ever.

Kelly has never told a rising 5th year who has ever made any kind of significant on-field contribution to hit the bricks. But if all or even most of committed frosh stick, I don't see how he can avoid it this year.

 

[Irish YJ]

Don't think this is accurate. But I'm not sure.

Got a link to the rule by any chance? Really interested.

Looked for the thread I read it in originally. Couldn't find it. Then googled and found a few similar items where a Coach's son did not have a scholarship, but were not D1. IDK, may have been in Denver when I thought I read it

 

[NDhoosier]

Opening your mouth without a clue? What a waste . . .

I wasn't going to say anything but you started an uninformed discussion with an uninformed provocative comment.

Please try to interrupt your mouth next time; thanks in advance!

excuse me? I know exactly what I said and I will say it again.

A scholarship for Vangorder's son is a wasted scholarship. Thanks in advance for not being a prick in your response next time.

 

[Riddickulous]

Say Baratti ends up on medical hardship and we pull in 4 more recruits, leaving 5 open scholarships for fifth years. Who should we bring back?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

OFD's Eric Murtaugh just published an article on our current 2015 Roster Projections:

We've often talked about how there will always be room for recruits which is both true and untrue. In a vacuum Notre Dame would love to take 7 more bodies from tight end up to running back on the above priority list. However, it's probably not realistic.

Typically the roster has some losses in the spring or summer and we're left saying, "See we could have taken Recruit X back in February!" but hindsight is always 20/20. Some have advocated purposely taking a 2-3 more prospects than we have room for now because in 6 months there will be room. It's a dangerous game to be sure and it's pretty clear that the Irish coaching staff is currently walking that thin line.

This is the tightest the scholarship situation has been at this point in the cycle that I've ever witnessed since we started tracking this stuff several seasons ago. Now, being able to pick and choose from a list of 16 seniors with eligibility for 2015 is going to add some flexibility. However, there's a possibility that the staff will have to turn away players who are playing starter minutes and that has never happened under Brian Kelly. We've seen career third-stringers come back for fifth seasons and that looks like it's definitely not happening this time around.

For illustrative purposes let's say Notre Dame picks up verbals from linebacker Tevon Coney, running back Soso Jamabo, defensive back Frank Buncom, and tight end Alize Jones and the 2015 recruiting class finishes at 24 players.

That'll prevent Hanratty, Hegarty, and Carlisle from fifth years with the Irish. If you add wide receiver Equanimeous St. Brown and the class goes up to 25 then strike Farley from coming back. That would leave just Golson, Schmidt, Martin, and Ishaq from the Tier 1 list.

It's not the end of the world but things are tight right now. If there is an additional medical scholarship, someone jumps to the NFL, and another plays transfers after the regular season--certainly all believable scenarios--then Notre Dame may be able to bring back almost all of the Tier 1 players, but it will be close.

One thing worth watching is Russell and Ishaq essentially being off the books until the summer. That may allow Notre Dame some wiggle room in the 3-month period between National Signing Day and the summer school session to experience further roster attrition.

 

[yankeeND]

OFD's Eric Murtaugh just published an article on our current 2015 Roster Projections:

It's a good situation to be in because if we are turning away any of those tier 1 guys, the prospect replacing them is very highly regarded. I sure would hate having to turn away any if those guys mentioned though.

 

[Emcee77]

OFD's Eric Murtaugh just published an article on our current 2015 Roster Projections:

Yep, great discussion, and he's right, this is clearly the tightest the scholarship situation has been that I can remember. I've truly given up trying to figure out where the spots for the kids we are recruiting are going to come from. It always seems to work out so I won't worry about it for now. But like Murtaugh says, this year is unlike any I can remember in the sense that we seem to be recruiting way over the 85 limit unless we turn away a lot of really good 5th year players.

One thing to keep in mind is that we don't have to be under the 85 limit until August 2015. I've never been a fan of oversigning but as the years go by and I see us with unexpected departures during the spring and summer every year, I'm starting to think that it's almost imprudent not to oversign by 2 or 3.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

One thing to keep in mind is that we don't have to be under the 85 limit until August 2015. I've never been a fan of oversigning but as the years go by and I see us with unexpected departures during the spring and summer every year, I'm starting to think that it's almost imprudent not to oversign by 2 or 3.

Hopefully Kelly has been given some latitude to grant 1-year scholarships to deserving walk-ons. Keeping Monty VanGorder on scholarship with our current roster crunch makes zero sense.