Roster Projections

[NDhoosier]

Agreed, especially considering that would make 5 scholarship QBs on the roster...

 

[Emcee77]

Hopefully Kelly has been given some latitude to grant 1-year scholarships to deserving walk-ons. Keeping Monty VanGorder on scholarship with our current roster crunch makes zero sense.

Yeah, that would be great. I mean, just give BVG a raise for whatever amount Monty's tuition comes to. Problem solved.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I hate to mention this because I know some people take offense to it being that it doesn't seem ethical and seems against ND's standards...but what about a committed recruit and ND "mutually moving on from one another?" It's happened in the past, although it's rare. I'm not going to predict names, as I feel every recruit in this class can bring something to the table at ND. However, it's no secret that some of those kids are rated a lot lower than the names currently left on the wish list. Is it possible that gaining a commit from one of the elite prospects will push a current commit out the door?

Edit: I'm not necessarily talking about star ratings. More so staff ratings. The staff has their big board at the beginning of every cycle. They have their #1 wants and so on. By "rated lower" I simply mean the staff has them below another player at that position. Not that Rivals, 247, etc rate player X a 3 star and player Y a 5 star.

Edit_2: Danny Mattingly is the name I've been trying to remember. Wasn't his situation one where he and staff moved on from one another?

 

[tussin]

I hate to mention this because I know some people take offense to it being that it doesn't seem ethical and seems against ND's standards...but what about a committed recruit and ND "mutually moving on from one another?" It's happened in the past, although it's rare. I'm not going to predict names, as I feel every recruit in this class can bring something to the table at ND. However, it's no secret that some of those kids are rated a lot lower than the names currently left on the wish list. Is it possible that gaining a commit from one of the elite prospects will push a current commit out the door?

ISD seems to think that Kelly and staff may shut down the current commits from visits to other schools. If you take a visit, then you're spot is fair game. Either you're in or you're out.

This obviously isn't the suggestion you're talking about, but it is one way to solidify and possibly thin the class at the same time. Problem is that I suspect none of the names you are referring to are the ones that are taking visits (...hello Jerry!!...).

 

[BleedBlueGold]

ISD seems to think that Kelly and staff may shut down the current commits from visits to other schools. If you take a visit, then you're spot is fair game. Either you're in or your out.

This obviously isn't the suggestion you're talking about, but it is one way to solidify and possibly thin the class at the same time. Problem is that I suspect none of the names you are referring to are the ones that are taking visits (...hello Jerry!!...).

This seems fair and at least allows ND to save face if the question of "pushing kids out" comes up later.

I've felt strongly about oversigning by 1-2 kids every year. It'd just be a PR nightmare if a scenario came up where ND was over 85 come August and had to unjustifiably remove kids from the team. They'd be no better than anyone in the SEC, etc. and that's not what anyone wants to see happen.

 

[nsisk157]

Wasn't sure where to post this, so I threw it in three separate threads. MODs delete as you see fit.

Good summary.

2015 Notre Dame Recruiting: Scholarships & Roster Depth - One Foot Down

 

[Brooklyn]

Front Page Update:
+ Te'Von Coney

 

[EifertPower]

which guys get offered a fifth year? these look like the realistic ones and i'd keep all of them with the exception of Carlisle and Hanratty...which would give us 7 5th-year guys. I like Carlisle but don't really see the point of him being back. We are pretty stacked at WR.

QB - Everett Golson
Slot WR - Amir Carlisle
C/G - Nick Martin
G/C - Matthew Hegarty
C/G - Conor Hanratty
DE - Ishaq Williams
LB - Jarrett Grace
LB - Joe Schmidt
CB/S - Matthias Farley

 

[Irishman77]

which guys get offered a fifth year? these look like the realistic ones and i'd keep all of them with the exception of Carlisle and Hanratty...which would give us 7 5th-year guys. I like Carlisle but don't really see the point of him being back. We are pretty stacked at WR.

QB - Everett Golson
Slot WR - Amir Carlisle
C/G - Nick Martin
G/C - Matthew Hegarty
C/G - Conor Hanratty
DE - Ishaq Williams
LB - Jarrett Grace
LB - Joe Schmidt
CB/S - Matthias Farley

I have been thinking about this too. It is going o be very interesting to see who transfers. There were numerous players that got lost on the depth chart when BVG came in.
Martin, Hegarty,Ishaq, Grace,Schmidt, and Farley for sure

 

[Brooklyn]

Front Page Update:
+Mykelti Williams

2015 Open Spots – 6
(85 - (Roster + Commits))

Roster – 57

Quarterbacks - 3
Malik Zaire (Rso)
DeShone Kizer (So)
Montgomery VanGorder (So)

Runningbacks - 2
Tarean Folston (Jr)
Greg Bryant (Rso)

Slot/RB- 2
C.J. Prosise (Rjr)
Torii Hunter Jr. (Rso)

Wide Receivers - 5
Chris Brown (Sr)
Corey Robinson (Jr)
Will Fuller (Jr)
Justin Brent (So)
Corey Holmes (So)

Tight Ends - 4
Durham Smythe (Rso)
Mike Heuerman (Rso)
Nic Weishar (So)
Tyler Luatua (So)

Offensive Line - 11
Ronnie Stanley (Rjr)
Mark Harrell (Rjr)
Steve Elmer (Jr)
Colin McGovern (Rso)
Mike McGlinchey (Rso)
Hunter Bivin (Rso)
John Montelus (Rso)
Alex Bars (So)
Quentin Nelson (So)
Jimmy Byrne (So)
Sam Mustipher (So)

Interior Defensive Line – 5
Sheldon Day (Sr)
Jarron Jones (Rjr)
Jay Hayes (So)
Pete Mokwuah (So)
Daniel Cage (So)

Defensive Ends - 7
Romeo Okwara (Sr)
Isaac Rochell (Jr)
Jacob Matuska (Rso)
Andrew Trumbetti (So)
Jonathan Bonner (So)
Grant Blankenship (So)
Jhonathon Williams (So)

Linebacker – 8
John Turner (Rjr)
Jaylon Smith (Jr)
James Onuwalu (Jr)
Michael Deeb (Rso)
Doug Randolph (Rso)
Nyles Morgan (So)
Greer Martini (So)
Kolin Hill (So)

Cornerbacks - 4
KeiVarae Russell (RJr) (Returning 2015)
Cole Luke (Jr)
Devin Butler (Jr)
Nick Watkins (So)

Safeties – 4
Elijah Shumate (Sr)
Nicky Baratti (Rjr)*
Max Redfield (Jr)
Drue Tranquill (So)

Special Teams - 2
Scott Daly (Rjr) - LS
Tyler Newsome (So) - K/P

Commits - 22
QB - Brandon Wimbush
RB - Josh Adams
WR - Jaylen Guyton
WR - Miles Boykin
WR/Slot - C.J. Sanders
OL/DL - Jerry Tillery
OL - Trevor Ruhland
OL - Tristen Hoge
DL - Micah Dew-Treadway
DL - Brandon Tiassum
DL - Elijah Taylor
LB/DE - Bo Wallace
LB - Te'Von Coney
LB - Josh Barajas
LB - Asmar Bilal
CB - Nick Coleman
CB - Shaun Crawford
CB/S - Ashton White
S - Nicco Fretitto
S - Prentice McKinney
S - Mykelti Williams
K - Justin Yoon

5th Year Eligible - 16
QB - Everett Golson
Slot WR - Amir Carlisle
WR - Davaris Daniels (Stated he will not return/KVR saying he is likely to return)
C/G - Nick Martin
G/C - Matthew Hegarty
C/G - Conor Hanratty
DT - Chase Hounshell
DE - Ishaq Williams (Showed interest in returning)
DE - Anthony Rabasa
LB - Jarrett Grace*
LB - Joe Schmidt
LB - Ben Councell
CB - Jalen Brown
CB/S - Eilar Hardy
CB/S - Matthias Farley

Key:
* injured


4-3

3-4

6-7 spots depending on Baratti's injury status, before 5th years, declarations, transfers, etc.

 

[EifertPower]

Having Montgomery Van Gorder on scholarship basically gives us only scholarships. What a waste. Why have 5 scholarship quarterbacks on a team? Van Gorder will never play a down for us and yet we are wasting a scholarship on him. I get that his father is the defensive coordinator, but why not just give the father more money in his contract and save us his scholarship?

Next year is the year we have a go all out to make the Final 4 and we'll likely be left with having a tough decision between a contributing 5th year senior like Hegarty or Grace or bringing a recruit like ESB or Jones but not being able to get both because of wasting a scholarship on MVG.

 

[ThePiombino]

Having Montgomery Van Gorder on scholarship basically gives us only scholarships. What a waste. Why have 5 scholarship quarterbacks on a team? Van Gorder will never play a down for us and yet we are wasting a scholarship on him. I get that his father is the defensive coordinator, but why not just give the father more money in his contract and save us his scholarship?

Next year is the year we have a go all out to make the Final 4 and we'll likely be left with having a tough decision between a contributing 5th year senior like Hegarty or Grace or bringing a recruit like ESB or Jones but not being able to get both because of wasting a scholarship on MVG.

Please name the last time ND started a season with 85 scholarship players.

 

[CanadalovesND]

We'll have so much depth next season, especially on the DL&OL, and at LB.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Having Montgomery Van Gorder on scholarship basically gives us only scholarships. What a waste. Why have 5 scholarship quarterbacks on a team? Van Gorder will never play a down for us and yet we are wasting a scholarship on him. I get that his father is the defensive coordinator, but why not just give the father more money in his contract and save us his scholarship?

Next year is the year we have a go all out to make the Final 4 and we'll likely be left with having a tough decision between a contributing 5th year senior like Hegarty or Grace or bringing a recruit like ESB or Jones but not being able to get both because of wasting a scholarship on MVG.

No we won't. If both ESB and Jones want to come, they're in. And any 5th year contributor can come back as well. We are NEVER at the 85 limit...no need to blame a wasted scholarship on MVG when in reality we are fine with numbers.

The staff has leaked to several reporters that the numbers will work themselves out. In other words, they're taking the necessary recruits and 5th years.

 

[EifertPower]

No we won't. If both ESB and Jones want to come, they're in. And any 5th year contributor can come back as well. We are NEVER at the 85 limit...no need to blame a wasted scholarship on MVG when in reality we are fine with numbers.

The staff has leaked to several reporters that the numbers will work themselves out. In other words, they're taking the necessary recruits and 5th years.

Okay i hear you but from a numbers standpoint right now it looks like we could have 8 5th year seniors (Golson, Hegarty, Schmidt, Grace, Williams, Farley, Martin, Carlisle) and have 22 commits currently with Jones and ESB as strong possibilities as well plus we apparently are still pursuing some other players. And it looks like we have 56 players returning on scholarship (I'm assuming Barratti gets a medical scholarship). I have a strong feeling that Stanley goes pro so that brings us to 55 and agree that probably 2-3 players will transfer out or get kicked out before August but how can Kelly know that? Tell me mathematically how that gets us to 85? Unless this means the staff knows that some players are going to transfer or go pro or have some other tricks up their sleeve. As someone else says it almost makes sense to sign 87 or 88 players and expect 2-3 to leave.

 

[Brooklyn]

Front Page Update:
+Aliz'e Jones

2015 Open Spots – 5
(85 - (Roster + Commits))

Roster – 57

Quarterbacks - 3
Malik Zaire (Rso)
DeShone Kizer (So)
Montgomery VanGorder (So)

Runningbacks - 2
Tarean Folston (Jr)
Greg Bryant (Rso)

Slot/RB- 2
C.J. Prosise (Rjr)
Torii Hunter Jr. (Rso)

Wide Receivers - 5
Chris Brown (Sr)
Corey Robinson (Jr)
Will Fuller (Jr)
Justin Brent (So)
Corey Holmes (So)

Tight Ends - 4
Durham Smythe (Rso)
Mike Heuerman (Rso)
Nic Weishar (So)
Tyler Luatua (So)

Offensive Line - 11
Ronnie Stanley (Rjr)
Mark Harrell (Rjr)
Steve Elmer (Jr)
Colin McGovern (Rso)
Mike McGlinchey (Rso)
Hunter Bivin (Rso)
John Montelus (Rso)
Alex Bars (So)
Quentin Nelson (So)
Jimmy Byrne (So)
Sam Mustipher (So)

Interior Defensive Line – 5
Sheldon Day (Sr)
Jarron Jones (Rjr)
Jay Hayes (So)
Pete Mokwuah (So)
Daniel Cage (So)

Defensive Ends - 7
Romeo Okwara (Sr)
Isaac Rochell (Jr)
Jacob Matuska (Rso)
Andrew Trumbetti (So)
Jonathan Bonner (So)
Grant Blankenship (So)
Jhonathon Williams (So)

Linebacker – 8
John Turner (Rjr)
Jaylon Smith (Jr)
James Onuwalu (Jr)
Michael Deeb (Rso)
Doug Randolph (Rso)
Nyles Morgan (So)
Greer Martini (So)
Kolin Hill (So)

Cornerbacks - 4
KeiVarae Russell (RJr) (Returning 2015)
Cole Luke (Jr)
Devin Butler (Jr)
Nick Watkins (So)

Safeties – 4
Elijah Shumate (Sr)
Nicky Baratti (Rjr)*
Max Redfield (Jr)
Drue Tranquill (So)

Special Teams - 2
Scott Daly (Rjr) - LS
Tyler Newsome (So) - K/P

Commits - 23
QB - Brandon Wimbush
RB - Josh Adams
WR - Jaylen Guyton
WR - Miles Boykin
WR/Slot - C.J. Sanders
TE - Aliz'e Jones
OL - Trevor Ruhland
OL - Tristen Hoge
DL/OL - Jerry Tillery
DL - Micah Dew-Treadway
DL - Brandon Tiassum
DL - Elijah Taylor
LB/DE - Bo Wallace
LB - Te'Von Coney
LB - Josh Barajas
LB - Asmar Bilal
CB - Nick Coleman
CB - Shaun Crawford
CB/S - Ashton White
S - Nicco Fretitto
S - Prentice McKinney
S - Mykelti Williams
K - Justin Yoon

5th Year Eligible - 16
QB - Everett Golson
Slot WR - Amir Carlisle
WR - Davaris Daniels (Stated he will not return/KVR saying he is likely to return)
C/G - Nick Martin
G/C - Matthew Hegarty
C/G - Conor Hanratty
DT - Chase Hounshell
DE - Ishaq Williams (Showed interest in returning)
DE - Anthony Rabasa
LB - Jarrett Grace*
LB - Joe Schmidt
LB - Ben Councell
CB - Jalen Brown
CB/S - Eilar Hardy
CB/S - Matthias Farley

Key:
* injured


4-3

3-4

5-6 spots depending on Baratti's injury status, before 5th years, transfers, etc.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Can't see us turning down Martin, Farley, Golson, Williams, Carlisle, Grace or Schmit.. From everything I hear Williams is coming back and Daniels is as well. I could see Golson Transfering. Martin and Farley are locks to come back.

 

[scUM Hater]

Can't see us turning down Martin, Farley, Golson, Williams, Carlisle, Grace or Schmit.. From everything I hear Williams is coming back and Daniels is as well. I could see Golson Transfering. Martin and Farley are locks to come back.

I don't believe Carlisle has another year of eligibility. Golson will be back

 

[Irish Glory]

Can't see us turning down Martin, Farley, Golson, Williams, Carlisle, Grace or Schmit.. From everything I hear Williams is coming back and Daniels is as well. I could see Golson Transfering. Martin and Farley are locks to come back.

Where are you hearing that Daniels is coming back?

 

[EifertPower]

This is going to be really tight. A 5th year that we really could use might wind up getting screwed here. 5 spots but really four since we are all assuming ESB is a silent commit. We're also very likely to add in another RB and another satefy/cornerback for sure. That leaves us with 2 slots for 5th years. It likely will become 3 when Barratti gets a medical redshirt. I look at the scholarship for Van Gorder's son and think there is no way he gets one again next year but then i thought someone said NCAA's rules are that if your child is on the team he must have a scholarship.

Golson (if he wants to come back) and Martin are locks. Schmidt is a lock if healthy and Ishaq is a lock if he wants to come back. but probably Farley, Grace, Carlisle, and Hegarty are on the outside looking in. Yes, we likely will have someone transfer/get kicked out in the spring/summer but that may be too late as guys might have to get their ducks lined up before then. Hegarty we could probably live without because our OL depth is very strong but still Hegarty is a legit lineman and deserves to be back. Grace if healthy deserves to be back, too. Carlisle we can do without at the slot but might be nice insurance at the RB position if we cannot get another RB to commit. Farley i think we will need in our thin secondary...besides say what you want about him but he does make some big time plays.

This is obviously a good problem to have...i just hope Kelly and staff and aware of any transfers now and hopefully it doesn't include Bryant, Folston, Golson, Shumate, or Redfield.

I also hope that under no circumstances do we sign more than 2 more players and hopefully a WR gets converted to safety.

I also really hope Daniels doesn't come back. We don't need him and he's had his chance and blown it. I'd rather reward a guy like Farley, Grace, Carlisle, or Hegarty than him.

 

[BMT]

If you don't think we need Davaris Daniels, well then you are a bit delusional.Yes I agree we could get by without him, but he is simply the best WR on the roster should he come back.

 

[Irish Glory]

If you don't think we need Davaris Daniels, well then you are a bit delusional.Yes I agree we could get by without him, but he is simply the best WR on the roster should he come back.

Maybe he's be the most physically gifted, but I think Fuller has passed him up. Fuller just always seems to get open. Also I don't think he should get a spot if it means someone else doesn't get a fifth year, he already got a second chance and blew it.

 

[Brooklyn]

I don't believe Carlisle has another year of eligibility. Golson will be back

This is false.

2011 - Played at USC
2012 - Transferred to ND, got a hardship waiver, but missed the year due to injury
2013 - Played at UND
2014 - Played at UND

so he has 1 more year left.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

If you don't think we need Davaris Daniels, well then you are a bit delusional.Yes I agree we could get by without him, but he is simply the best WR on the roster should he come back.

You might be the only person on the board willing to claim that.

 

[irishtrain]

This isn't the place for this post but I want to put this out there for the mods, I listen to a lot of talk shows during the day since retiring and would like an ongoing thread on some of the $#@% that is spewed out by these crackpots. Some are great like Patrick but the sec network and Max Mercy are unbelievable with their slants. This past week they were bragging about their 73% grad rate at Ala. May we consider opening up a thread to post some of the ridiculousness. Its not the place for this request but these shows are borderline insane with their beliefs.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Can't see us turning down Martin, Farley, Golson, Williams, Carlisle, Grace or Schmit.. From everything I hear Williams is coming back and Daniels is as well. I could see Golson Transfering. Martin and Farley are locks to come back.

Not sure where you're getting your info, but right now, it is definitely NOT looking good for DD AT ND.

 

[irish4ever]

This isn't the place for this post but I want to put this out there for the mods, I listen to a lot of talk shows during the day since retiring and would like an ongoing thread on some of the $#@% that is spewed out by these crackpots. Some are great like Patrick but the sec network and Max Mercy are unbelievable with their slants. This past week they were bragging about their 73% grad rate at Ala. May we consider opening up a thread to post some of the ridiculousness. Its not the place for this request but these shows are borderline insane with their beliefs.

The "key" here is that it's the SEC. 73% grad rate where a bunch of athletic "doofuses" attend, that's not bad, huh? Hell, I'm surprised that they have 73% that are even at a 6th grade reading level let alone becoming a graduate.

 

[ThePiombino]

If you don't think we need Davaris Daniels, well then you are a bit delusional.Yes I agree we could get by without him, but he is simply the best WR on the roster should he come back.

I got a fairly hearty laugh out of this one. If he ever put it all together for more than a quarter of football here and there, then yes. But alas! That's not the case, now is it?

 

[Big23Head]

I had brought this up in the Upshot thread originally, just adding a little more here. O'Malley hinted that ND would have more than 4 5th yrs and Prister thinks ND has room for 6-7 5th yrs. FWIW.

 

[ND NYC]

so is the CW that:

ALL current commits stay committed
if get 3 more commits (Williams, Farrar and. _____ ) in 2015 then we can offer 6 5th years back?