ROLL TIDE!

[A2forND]

My two favorite teams are ND...obviously...and whoever is playing Michigan! I'll be the biggest BAMA fan in the world for about 3 hours on saturday night....

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I have no idea what you're talking about

So then by logical deduction, I can have no idea what you are talking about, nor the next guy me . . . The thread is lost!

So. We don't need to figure out what fantasy is best -
just to deduct what event is actually happening.

 

[Grimm]

I see people saying "I hope michigan wins so we can beat them and get more credit." If we win games, we will go where we want to go, regardless of how the Michigan/Bama turns out.

I am 100% behind Alabama for this game, a Michigan win would solidify their recruiting class and give the program tons of momentum, an embarrassing loss and going 7-5 for the year would mean so much more to ND fans than Michigan beating Bama and then us beating Michigan. This schedule is already tough, if we win the games, we will get the respect in the polls. I hope Michigan loses by 20 points.

This is my thinking as well. As much as I hate Ala, we recruit and compete against Mich. Hopefully crushing losses to Ala and ND will take the shine off Hoke and be the difference with losing out on some players (Treadwell please).

 

[Irish YJ]

So you are saying a win by Bama over UM would help ND more than an ND win over UM? If guys are on the fence, they are typically on the fence between us UM, not UM and Bama. Just saying.

 

[NDhoosier]

So you are saying a win by Bama over UM would help ND more than an ND win over UM? If guys are on the fence, they are typically on the fence between us UM, not UM and Bama. Just saying.

no, we still have to win the UM game

Bama and ND both beat UM > Bama losing and ND winning against UM

basically, I want to UM's overall season to be poor, 5-6 losses for UM would be awesome, a big national win over Bama would not be awesome.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'll take UM beating bama (under any circumstance) then Notre Dame beating UM..... that is the best for us.

Even without that... I can not root for Bama...

 

[BGIF]

I have to root for Alabama. I want Michigan to lose every game they play for the next five or so years. I want ND to be ahead of them in the winningest program debate!

...

I'm on the same page as the big guy.

I root for ND opponents except UM while they hold the lead over ND for Winningest Program.

Let the Tide win by one on a Pick 6 off a denard dying quail.

Then let Golson come of age with a 4 TD win handing the weasels another loss while trumping Bama's win.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I can't root for either. No way am I rooting for Michigan, but then again I HATE the SEC, and a win for a midwest team over them would give me more ammunition to get their fans to STFU. And then again no way am I rooting for Michigan.

So either way, I'm going to make it a win for me. Michigan wins...eff the SEC. Alabama wins...screw Michigan.

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

I decided to read this thread to get things sorted out for myself. And I came up with a few things worthy of note:

Between Bama, UofM, and ND, the team that took the longest to lose their 300th game? The Irish!

I think that there is a hidden beauty in this game. I think Bama will push those poor wolverines so hard they will expose every effin weakness for Martin and Diaco to game plan. So to me I am not sure it matters as much the final score, as that we can see how to push the porkupines around. (There is no really good smear for the Wolverines, like Condoms, for USC, is there?)

Don't know about outcomes, cannot psychologise, what it will mean in the long run, because of the pointy ends on footballs and Wolverine's heads. But my UofM fan friends better not complain about having a tough schedule!

Great point, typically we never get this good of a look at the scUM early in the season and how to exploit their weaknesses because they are playing the sisters of the poor before us (unless they are playing APP STATE!) This year we should get a great look at how to 'brush denards teeth' from what Bama does. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see 10 Bama players get hurt, and the scUM sneak out a win on the boomerinski play or something!?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Just think if BC had won a few more games in 1993.... just saying... it happens. F$U

You mean with the Bobby Bowden Lifetime Acheivement Award? Wouldn't have mattered. Bobby was going to get it. The math was two one loss teams, the one that looses head to head gets it. Nothing about math, science, or logic mattered. That season was one of the main arguements for the BCS and today's ratings system. Look how that turned out!

 

[IrishinTN]

I honestly have to say I don't give a crap who wins this game. All I know is if we don't beat Michigan this year there could be some major repercussions to inanimate objects in my house and blood vessels in my body.

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

If yall think anyone is gonna give 2 sh!ts if we beat a Michigan team who upset the reigning national champs, you have your head sewn on wrong. Michigan egos will be so big they'd need 4 Macy's parades to fit them down the street. If Michigan beats Bama, mark my words, no one will care that ND beat them, all they will say is "Wow Michigan beat Alabama." ESPN won't care, Mark May won't care, Honey Badger for sure won't give a sh!t, the BCS will not care, it will not matter. So please hope that Bama beats their asses off for them.

 

[IrishLax]

The white trash bowl:

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vs.

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I'll personally be pulling for the Herbiciders. Because, **** Michigan, their sheer dumb luck, and their homer Big Ten refs.

 

[BGIF]

If yall think anyone is gonna give 2 sh!ts if we beat a Michigan team who upset the reigning national champs, you have your head sewn on wrong. Michigan egos will be so big they'd need 4 Macy's parades to fit them down the street. If Michigan beats Bama, mark my words, no one will care that ND beat them, all they will say is "Wow Michigan beat Alabama." ESPN won't care, Mark May won't care, Honey Badger for sure won't give a sh!t, the BCS will not care, it will not matter. So please hope that Bama beats their asses off for them.

Ah this reads like one of your political posts.

Nobody will care, huh?

Millions of Irish fans will care. Bob Stoops will care. All the networks carrying ND games will care. All the BCS bowl executives will have dollar signs dancing in their heads. Pundits will be saying novenas for a Battle of The UnBeatens with USC. Mark May will be predicting the stumble.

I agree Honey Badger won't care. He'll still be looking for munchies.

Michigan fans will be crushed like ND fans were after BC in '93 (look it up). What could have been.

 

[elboricua]

I have no idea what you're talking about

I thought it was pretty clear. My mistake if it wasn't. Look at what Ndhoosier wrote. That is the point and he is indisputably correct. It would be terrible for ND's program if Michigan beat Bama.

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

Ah this reads like one of your political posts.

Nobody will care, huh?

Millions of Irish fans will care. Bob Stoops will care. All the networks carrying ND games will care. All the BCS bowl executives will have dollar signs dancing in their heads. Pundits will be saying novenas for a Battle of The UnBeatens with USC. Mark May will be predicting the stumble.

I agree Honey Badger won't care. He'll still be looking for munchies.

Michigan fans will be crushed like ND fans were after BC in '93 (look it up). What could have been.

See if all the 5 star recruits Michigan will swoop up will care. Seriously, I can't believe that you all think in the grand scheme of things that the U of Douche beating the #1 team in the country will mean less to the football world than ND beating the U of Douche 3 weeks later. No. Especially if ND doesn't finish the season 11-1 or 10-2 or undefeated. Brady Hoke will be hailed as the second coming of Christ, and ND will get passed over. Sure our fans will love it, hell, I'd love it too...but it isn't going to get us the cover of Sports Illustrated. You all know how it works with Michigan, they are the luckiest bastards in college football, thinking anything good for ND coming out of a win from Michigan is not gonna happen.

 

[BGIF]

See if all the 5 star recruits Michigan will swoop up will care. Seriously, I can't believe that you all think in the grand scheme of things that the U of Douche beating the #1 team in the country will mean less to the football world than ND beating the U of Douche 3 weeks later. No. Especially if ND doesn't finish the season 11-1 or 10-2 or undefeated. Brady Hoke will be hailed as the second coming of Christ, and ND will get passed over. Sure our fans will love it, hell, I'd love it too...but it isn't going to get us the cover of Sports Illustrated. You all know how it works with Michigan, they are the luckiest bastards in college football, thinking anything good for ND coming out of a win from Michigan is not gonna happen.

Funny, the last SI cover ND was on was for beating MSU.

CNNSI.com - SI Online - SI's Notre Dame Covers Gallery - Monday September 23, 2002 02:51 PM


I also recall, under Holtz, ND lost to UM and moved up into the Top 25.

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

Funny, the last SI cover ND was on was for beating MSU.

CNNSI.com - SI Online - SI's Notre Dame Covers Gallery - Monday September 23, 2002 02:51 PM


I also recall, under Holtz, ND lost to UM and moved up into the Top 25.

Come on BGIF. You know what I'm saying, you just wanna bust someone's chops. Look at the rest of Michigan's schedule. It's cake. They are going to look like heroes regardless, I just think it helps our recruiting if Michigan gets a huge spoonful of reality first jump out the gate.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Ah this reads like one of your political posts.

Nobody will care, huh?

Millions of Irish fans will care. Bob Stoops will care. All the networks carrying ND games will care. All the BCS bowl executives will have dollar signs dancing in their heads. Pundits will be saying novenas for a Battle of The UnBeatens with USC. Mark May will be predicting the stumble.

I agree Honey Badger won't care. He'll still be looking for munchies.

Michigan fans will be crushed like ND fans were after BC in '93 (look it up). What could have been.

You know I have to say, BGIF, I have been with you when you have knocked some people off of their high horses for saying some assinine things, (including me). But I have to tell you, your opening to KissMe is on par with the best of them, (saying some assinine things). You are good enough that you didn't need to get personal; let alone be demeaning.

My feeling is that Kissme is right about one thing, her central thesis. MICHIGAN FANS THINK THAT BRADY OR DENARD IS THE SECOND COMING. They think they are going to win the NC this year, or seriously contend for it. This is true of every UM fan I have spoken to. I live 41 Miles from the stadium.

Furthermore, if ND wins it is luck, or after the toll that Bama took. If Bama and the Irish win, it is a giant step backward for the scum program.

If there is an Irish fan that needs to belive that there is a convoluted way to the NC or a BCS bowl, you need to find a different team to root for. ND doesn't need another team to fall to a team they play to make ND look "appealing" enough. If ND wins 10 games with one of them being Michigan, then beats SC they are in the NC game. If they don't so be it.

I personally want to destroy the Hoke myth and disrupt their recruiting.

 

[irishpat183]

We look better if we beat a team that just beat the defending National champs. Especially when UofM will be riding a honey badger like high after winning that game.


Nothing like beating their a$$es in a season in which they had so much to look forward to because they beat ALA in the first week.

 

[DillonHall]

I thought it was pretty clear. My mistake if it wasn't. Look at what Ndhoosier wrote. That is the point and he is indisputably correct. It would be terrible for ND's program if Michigan beat Bama.

Your logic is so incredibly wrong, but I'm gonna keep my head out of this one.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Let's just worry about beating 13, then.

 

[bigedefense]

So you are saying a win by Bama over UM would help ND more than an ND win over UM? If guys are on the fence, they are typically on the fence between us UM, not UM and Bama. Just saying.

I would not say more, but I would say as much. I remember vividly when michigan passed ND in wins. It stung bad and it still stings. I want that back and I want michigan fans stung. So, Bama beating michigan is a minus for them, a win over Navy is a plus for ND. That is why I pull for Bama. I could care less about michigan beating the #2 team and then ND beating them. ND has several other opponents that are going to be in the top 10 in the country. If they run the table, a victory over an 0 and 12 michigan team would NOT keep them out of the NC. I will pull for MSU, Miami, Stanford, OU, and usc to be undefeated going into the game with ND. Those games will do more to determine the SOS than just one michigan team. I refuse to give michigan that much credit.

Also, I agree with the recruiting aspect. A michigan team that has 4+ losses is much better for ND. IMO

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Zactly!

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

OK but look at it like this, if you're a recruit choosing between Michigan and ND, would you rather choose ND, who yes has a phenomenal fan base, history, and tradition but has been lackluster for 20 yrs, or would you choose the 2011 Sugar Bowl champs who just beat the reigning national championship Alabama team???

Then when ND beats them, but doesn't beat OK or USC...is ND going to still look like a powerhouse? Trust me, I want ND to rip Michigan to shreds, but I also want EVERYONE else to do it too. But whatever, to each his of her own I suppose.

 

[koonja]

College Player Database - Depth Chart

Alabama is starting a lot of upper classman. Their youngest area is LB, where they start 3 sophomores and a senior.

Adrian Hubbard (consensus 4*).
Xzavier Dickson (consensus 4*)
Trey Depriest (consensus 4/5*) are they three starting sophomore LBs.

Other underclassman starters:

Vinny Sunseri is a SO, consensus 3* safety who is starting.

Cyrus Kouandjio is a SO, consensus 5*starting at OT.

Deandrew White is a SO, consensus 4* who is starting at WR.


Other than those 6 guys, every projected starter is a junior or senior.

Michigan is about to get their **** pushed in.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

If ND plays championship football there is plenty of strength on that schedule to have them waltzing into the NC game. We absolutely do not need them to beat Bama'.

Michigan will win the majority if not all of the remaining games on their schedule and will add to our strength.

In no way, shape or form will I ever root for the wolverines.. and Ive been stuck in MS listening to Feinbaum and his circus folk for 3 years. I hate Alabama.

In that sense I agree with Bog and Kissme.. but

In regards to recruiting and program elevation for Michigan in beating Alabama?

They'd maybe be able to enjoy the throne for 2 weeks but after we take them down in South Bend (with tons of recruits there) the spotlight would be re-directed to the Irish.

I think it would work out better for Michigan if they beat Alabama and didn't face a quality opponent, such as us, for 8-10 weeks. That way ESPN, SI, B10 Network would have months of bragging and inflating.. and Hoke would carry that win into recruits homes' the whole time.

But as it is.. They beat Bama, celebrate for two weeks and we come around and smack the smiles off their faces and re-direct the focus to the 4-0 Irish..


It's a solid argument both ways.

 

[DillonHall]

If ND plays championship football there is plenty of strength on that schedule to have them waltzing into the NC game. We absolutely do not need them to beat Bama'.

Michigan will win the majority if not all of the remaining games on their schedule and will add to our strength.

In no way, shape or form will I ever root for the wolverines.. and Ive been stuck in MS listening to Feinbaum and his circus folk for 3 years. I hate Alabama.

In that sense I agree with Bog and Kissme.. but

In regards to recruiting and program elevation for Michigan in beating Alabama?

They'd maybe be able to enjoy the throne for 2 weeks but after we take them down in South Bend (with tons of recruits there) the spotlight would be re-directed to the Irish.

I think it would work out better for Michigan if they beat Alabama and didn't face a quality opponent, such as us, for 8-10 weeks. That way ESPN, SI, B10 Network would have months of bragging and inflating.. and Hoke would carry that win into recruits homes' the whole time.

But as it is.. They beat Bama, celebrate for two weeks and we come around and smack the smiles off their faces and re-direct the focus to the 4-0 Irish..


It's a solid argument both ways.

Reps

 

[woolybug25]

Your logic is so incredibly wrong, but I'm gonna keep my head out of this one.

I'll stick my head in for you, and I believe I know the points you are thinking.

It is incredibly wrong to:

1) Root for scUM... period...
2) Think that any opening game win for scUM is ever good for ND
3) State that any point NDHoosier has ever made as "indisputably correct"


Did I hit that nail on the head?

 

[Rhode Irish]

I'll stick my head in for you, and I believe I know the points you are thinking.

It is incredibly wrong to:

1) Root for scUM... period...
2) Think that any opening game win for scUM is ever good for ND
3) State that any point NDHoosier has ever made as "indisputably correct"


Did I hit that nail on the head?

Pretty much.

Roll d/-\mn tide.